Mrs. Hyles and the kids

I hope that he does leave hac and move away and have to make it on his own. In our area there is a man by the name of Dean White. He is always on the list for the wealthiest men in America. He lives not too far from me. He said that he told his kids when they graduated from college that they could not work in any of his companies. They had to go out for a few years into the real world until they got their heads out of their as-.  Then they could come and work for him.

Ken is a decent guy but a little spoiled and a little lazy. Hope for nothing but the best for him!
 
BALAAM said:
I hope that he does leave hac and move away and have to make it on his own. In our area there is a man by the name of Dean White. He is always on the list for the wealthiest men in America. He lives not too far from me. He said that he told his kids when they graduated from college that they could not work in any of his companies. They had to go out for a few years into the real world until they got their heads out of their as-.  Then they could come and work for him.

Ken is a decent guy but a little spoiled and a little lazy. Hope for nothing but the best for him!
Right on, in your assessment, Balaam.  I worked along side him, when he 'interned' in the maint.dept.  He needs to sweat, hustle, pray, for his, like everyone else...then he can make 'Schaap' a name, again.

Anishinabe

 
qwerty said:
IFB X-Files said:
I don't know if this has been posted before but I just got off the phone with a pastor who got a resume from Ken Schapp.  It appears Ken is looking to go into the pastorate.

Ken is going to be pretty disappointed.

Not as much as those who have to listen to him preach,....
 
qwerty said:
And those with hair that remains will continue to paralyze it with a can of Consort so sayeth he.

Consort.........now there's an ancient memory!  :)
 
Does any of the Hyles family still have ownership of Dr. Hyles' publishing rights?
 
RAIDER said:
Does any of the Hyles family still have ownership of Dr. Hyles' publishing rights?

Now there is a can of worms.

Family (Dave) wanted those rights after his father's death.  Dave (Maybe more, but Dave is the one who pursued it) felt it was his inheritance.  Schaap on the other hand felt that any sermon JH preached or any book JH wrote was done so as an employee of FBCH and therefore was the intellectual copyright of the church.  It seems both parties were financially motivated.  Schaap's philosophy led to the cease and desist orders that were sent to various tech savvy people who were allowing sermons and books to be downloaded free of charge and got GroundedGrid so hot on the old forum.

Not sure where those copyrights are now.
 
Binaca Chugger said:
RAIDER said:
Does any of the Hyles family still have ownership of Dr. Hyles' publishing rights?

Now there is a can of worms.

Family (Dave) wanted those rights after his father's death.  Dave (Maybe more, but Dave is the one who pursued it) felt it was his inheritance.  Schaap on the other hand felt that any sermon JH preached or any book JH wrote was done so as an employee of FBCH and therefore was the intellectual copyright of the church.  It seems both parties were financially motivated.  Schaap's philosophy led to the cease and desist orders that were sent to various tech savvy people who were allowing sermons and books to be downloaded free of charge and got GroundedGrid so hot on the old forum.

Not sure where those copyrights are now.

It would be interesting to know.
 
Can I just ask a question -- how is it possible these books / tapes / materials make ANY money for anyone? Do they REALLY sell like everyone seems to think they do? It always seemed to me that Hyles Pub, like everything else around here, was a ministry run on a shoe-string lick-and-a-prayer budget. Who is buying all of this stuff, still? Why / how could it be a source of unfathomable revenue??
 
myeyesareopen said:
Can I just ask a question -- how is it possible these books / tapes / materials make ANY money for anyone? Do they REALLY sell like everyone seems to think they do? It always seemed to me that Hyles Pub, like everything else around here, was a ministry run on a shoe-string lick-and-a-prayer budget. Who is buying all of this stuff, still? Why / how could it be a source of unfathomable revenue??

I don't know about the current situation, but in days past I guarantee you it made money.  Think about the groups that would purchase a book written by Dr. Hyles:

* College students
* Pastor School attendees
* Youth Conference attendees
* CWS attendees
* Church book stores throughout the nation
* People around the nation that heard Dr. Hyles preach

Don't get me wrong, the books were never going to hit the NYT best seller list, but I believe some of the numbers would be surprising.  According to Dr. Hyles, he used this money to help put kids through Christian school.
 
Hyles publication changed it's name to what I can't remember that is who is holding the monies from his books,tapes. Anyone getting their hands on that account would be very wealthy.............maybe also on American Greed..........
 
Based on my understanding from a secret contact that cannot be affirmed, the church as a corporation owns the copyrights.  They went through all of the legal action to officially gain full control while JS was pastor.  Hard to imagine this has bee a point of focus for the secret committee running the church through the interim period.  Only difference I could imagine would be if they changed things when they did the new constitution.

One would have to assume that Hyles Pub will soon go out of business.  There really are very few people looking for lessons from the group that would have published there.
 
I want a copy of 'marriage is a commitment'. , How to rear (offspring), 'ifb where we are, headed' , and that pesky dating manual.  Seems I must have skipped a few chapters, in light of recent events.

Anishinabe

 
Hyles Pub no longer is in existence.
Check out http://www.hylespublications.com

There has been major restructuring to try to cut expenses on these major loss generators.

Check out http://www.pulseprint.org/    This is owned by the mother corporation and operated by HAC. It is a effort to try to turn a major money loser around.

It may be a little to late as who would still be interested in any of this material.
Why would you want your family to turn out like Bro. Hyles family?

0 for 4 is not good.

Cindy's divorce is sadly the final nail in Bro. Hyles legacy.

Even Mrs Hyles has rejected the radical extreme IFBx type of fundamentalism.
You know she attends and is a SS teacher at First Baptist Dallas.
Check out their Web site.
IFBx is slowly dieing out.

An older deacon told me that they are very ashamed of how Bro Hyles legacy has turned out.
 
Pulseprint is just the commercial side of the college print shop. There were plans to do something like that for awhile, and they did some work for graduates "on the side" for years. In order to isolate parts of the ministries from tax issues and insurance purposes, there are a bunch of little corporations, pulse being one of them.

In its original design, it was to encompass hyles publications, but never came about because Schaap was sidetracked with the radio station. All the offices and work areas that were built for pulse were reassigned.
 
There are multiple corporations owning various parts of the ministry.
New ones are popping up that were hither to unknown by the deacons.
My source says it is a tangled web that was woven.
 
RAIDER said:
What you believe also has a lot to do with perspective.  If you loved and respected Dr. Hyles and never had any issues with FBCH or HAC it is difficult to believe Linda.  If you were not a fan of Dr. Hyles and you had issues with FBCH or HAC, you have no trouble believing Linda.

The problem with the whole situation is that there are good people who were close to the situation who have totally different stories.  That is why we are all so confused.  :)

This is my first post in this format, so I apologize if I did not quote it correctly.  This is Mrs. S from the old forum, by the way.

RE: your quote

Not necessarily so.  I loved Jack Hyles.  He was probably my favorite speaker back then.  He was personally kind to me.  Yet, as I've gotten older, the more I have seen of secret sinful natures of *every* human being - myself included.  I have also come to the realization that when someone speaks out negatively about a personal situation, they do it at their own peril, knowing that they will be nearly crucified. 

If my brother, sister, and I described our home life/my father/my mother, it would be this:

Me:  my father was an adulterer who left us every summer, my mother was drunk in front of us all the time, my father sexually abused me, my father was prideful and nearly destroyed our family on too many occasions to count, my father moved us to a new location approximately twice each year, my mother was/is a selfish narcissist who was cruel to us.  I was the oldest child.

My sister:  our father was a nice man, our father would paint our room for us when we'd move to a new place all the time, our father never laid a hand on me, our dad was prideful but I don't remember anything he did way back when to destroy our family, yes our mother was a selfish narcissist and was cruel to us, wow I wish our dad would have protected us from her. I was born 5 years after my older sister.

My brother:  my dad was the best! He was always taking new jobs and he was a great example of hard work, my mom was a crazy person and I left home like both of my sisters as soon as I could, I feel bad for my dad having to be married to such a crazy woman.  I am the youngest, being 9 years younger than my oldest sister.

There you go.  Three completely different perspectives.  All of them were true.  I have no reason to doubt Linda's version of her life growing up.

Also, I disagree with the analogy that Dave would profit off his dad if he could by blaming his dad for the way Dave was/is.  With the way David acts and feels, why would he have ever thought his father was anything less than a god on earth?  His father covered for him, protected him, and made him.  I can't imagine that Dave thinks ANYthing was wrong with their home life.

And if Linda somehow ends up profiting from her life story, why would that matter?  Cindy has profited, Mrs. Hyles has profited - nobody has ever mentioned them in a negative way for profiting.


 
You always speak from the heart.............Thank you for sharing your life with us...............Survivor !!!
 
prophet said:
The pulpit was lined,  inside, with bullet proof glass.  I refinished it once before we made the first new one for the new auditirium. 
    Dr. Hyles  suffered from the insecurity of the fatherlessness of his childhood.  He was effeminate in his emotions.  He looked to women for strength, and put them in positions over men, creating much chaos at fbch. I think this to be a factor in his paranoia of the assassination attempt.  Boldness and cowardice don't dwell together well, and he really was a coward. 
    The bulet-proofed pulpit was a great example. 
    Regardless of his emotional issues, he used the percieved threat to manipulate people.  He used current events to manipulate people.  He told lopsided stories, to manipulate people.  Linda uses a very familiar pattern, in the TED speech.  Very familiar. 

Anishinabe

This is a really well thought out analysis, and a good observation, prophet.
 
prophet said:
I want a copy of 'marriage is a commitment'. , How to rear (offspring), 'ifb where we are, headed' , and that pesky dating manual.  Seems I must have skipped a few chapters, in light of recent events.

Anishinabe

The only one I don't have is the "IFB, Where We Are Headed" one - I hadn't heard of that.  I do, however, possess a six-cassette set, in their original plastic book/box, of Jack Schaap's sermons, which includes "Polished Shaft."  My husband wanted to throw it away, but I explained that we could make money off of it to give alms to the poor.
 
Evelyn said:
The only one I don't have is the "IFB, Where We Are Headed" one - I hadn't heard of that.  I do, however, possess a six-cassette set, in their original plastic book/box, of Jack Schaap's sermons, which includes "Polished Shaft."  My husband wanted to throw it away, but I explained that we could make money off of it to give alms to the poor.

Good to see you with us on the new FFF!!
 
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