Is KJVO a mental disorder?

[bgwilkinson]

I think it may be the most perfect printing yet.

Norton's work is wayward. Might I venture to suggest that's why it is not being taken up by people.

But of course, you don't agree with the work of Norton, that is where the rub is.

I say it's not wayward.

Do you have a copy of this version?

Perhaps we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[bibleprotector]

But of course, you don't agree with the work of Norton, that is where the rub is.

Because he did some relatively drastic changes.

I say it's not wayward.

That's your opinion, but I have Scriptural reasons why I say it is.

Do you have a copy of this version?

I have got his book, I've corresponded with him, and written all kinds of stuff about his work.

Also, are you admitting that his work changed the KJB so drastically that you call his work a "version"?

Perhaps we will have to agree to disagree.

The common thing I find is that your side with disagree with what I say, because I said it. It is primed negativity. There is a spiritual reason for this phenomenon of course.

 

[FSSL]

The common thing I find is that your side with disagree with what I say, because I said it. It is primed negativity. There is a spiritual reason for this phenomenon of course.

Precisely. Don't take it personally. We need to be convinced by Scripture. The fact that you cite Psalm 12 as a main support of your claims, yet, you have not taken the time to do a single, exegetical study on it shows that it is really your opinion.

We don't accept things just because someone says it. I wouldn't expect anyone to agree with ANYTHING I claim about scripture if I was delinquent. Why do you?!

 

[rsc2a]

We don't accept things just because someone says it.

How do I know that?  :-D

 

[FSSL]

Okay... you should be the exception.

 

[prophet]

Why is Psalm 12 necessary to the idea of preservation?

I believe that the Creator of the universe is capable of expressing Himself to us...He's God.

This doesnt seem that complicated to me.

 

[FSSL]

Why is Psalm 12 necessary to the idea of preservation?

I believe that the Creator of the universe is capable of expressing Himself to us...He's God.

This doesnt seem that complicated to me.

That is the "John 3.16" of the KJVO movement. In fact, Bibleprotector uses it as the base for his elaborate 7 purifications preservation scheme. See http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67

 

[prophet]

Why is Psalm 12 necessary to the idea of preservation?

I believe that the Creator of the universe is capable of expressing Himself to us...He's God.

This doesnt seem that complicated to me.

That is the "John 3.16" of the KJVO movement. In fact, Bibleprotector uses it as the base for his elaborate 7 purifications preservation scheme. See http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67

The text compares already purified silver to God's Word, so the scheme is undone before it takes a single lap.

If we spoke any language other than English, what would that passage benefit us?

Besides, the word "are" in verse  6 makes the declaration of  present tense pure words, 3,000 years ago, so any post Davidic purification would be unnecessary.
One could only assume preservation, if any thing.

Psa 12:6
6 The words of the Lord are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Simile:
Pure silver compares to pure words.

End of story.

Next.

Why is Psalm 12 necessary to the idea of preservation?

I believe that the Creator of the universe is capable of expressing Himself to us...He's God.

This doesnt seem that complicated to me.

That is the "John 3.16" of the KJVO movement. In fact, Bibleprotector uses it as the base for his elaborate 7 purifications preservation scheme. See http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67

 

[FSSL]

The text compares already purified silver to God's Word, so the scheme is undone before it takes a single lap.

Agreed.

 

[bibleprotector]

The text compares already purified silver to God's Word, so the scheme is undone before it takes a single lap.

You are not using a fully correct interpretation methodology, in that while you are correct in understanding that God's Word is pure, that is the Scripture itself was pure in the days of David, you have neglected to see the prophecy about the future manifestation of the Scripture in regards to its purity in text and translation. Usually you folks assume that Scripture is speaking fairly limitedly to the time it was written, thus divorcing its import and power of the Holy Ghost's speaking by it to the present time New Testament believer.

 

[rsc2a]

The text compares already purified silver to God's Word, so the scheme is undone before it takes a single lap.

You are not using a fully correct interpretation methodology, in that while you are correct in understanding that God's Word is pure, that is the Scripture itself was pure in the days of David, you have neglected to see the prophecy about the future manifestation of the Scripture in regards to its purity in text and translation. Usually you folks assume that Scripture is speaking fairly limitedly to the time it was written, thus divorcing its import and power of the Holy Ghost's speaking by it to the present time New Testament believer.

Yes prophet! The only way to read Scripture is to overlay it with modern doctrines and using modern arguments to explain modern "controversies" while avoiding modernism like those dirty modernists.

 

[bibleprotector]

Yes prophet! The only way to read Scripture is to overlay it with modern doctrines and using modern arguments to explain modern "controversies" while avoiding modernism like those dirty modernists.

Actually, it is your side which is overlaying modernist ideas in the way it reads back modern ideas into the past. Whereas, in the present time (regardless of whether it is called "the modern era") to interpret correctly, in defiance to a modernistic view, is entirely and always correct. Thus, all controversies raised by modernism, in their doubt upon the Scripture and upon what the Scriptures teach (e.g. their anti-perfection doctrines, their human reasoning-based doctrines) are always wrongheaded.

 

[rsc2a]

So close!

 

[Ransom]

you have neglected to see the prophecy about the future manifestation of the Scripture in regards to its purity in text and translation.

The "future manifestation" that you yourself made up, you mean?

 

[bibleprotector]

you have neglected to see the prophecy about the future manifestation of the Scripture in regards to its purity in text and translation.

The "future manifestation" that you yourself made up, you mean?

The Reformation was not made up by me.

 

[FSSL]

You said...

Actually, it is your side which is overlaying modernist ideas in the way it reads back modern ideas into the past.

THEN YOU SAID...

you have neglected to see the prophecy about the future manifestation of the Scripture in regards to its purity in text and translation.

The Reformation was not made up by me.

Show us in Psalm 12 where it speaks of the Reformation.

 

[bgwilkinson]

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[bibleprotector]

Show us

Mt 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mt 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

I don't have a problem showing, but you are not ready to see. You don't want to see.

Show us in Psalm 12 where it speaks of the Reformation.

I could explain the prophecy of Psalm 12 entirely, and you will have some excuse about the passage being restricted to David's time. To prove the point (where other, unbelieving "interpretation" will be offered to nullify the import and truth of the Scripture), here is a summary:

Ps 12:1 Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.

The prophecy is of the Infidel portion of history. In the Laodicean Church period, there has been a great decline of Christianity, and there are very few faithful. All around are mockers, scoffers and so on, who have made themselves enemies of godly believing.

Ps 12:2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.

The amount of lying going on is huge. Even within forums discussing the Bible.

Ps 12:3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:

This includes, by the way, modern versions and modern scholarship.

Ps 12:4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

This modernistic attitude not only prevails in the world, being the very essence of the current trend (Infidelity) but also manifests with people rejecting the KJB, to have their own standards and the "freedom from authority" of modern versions.

Ps 12:5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.

The continuing attacks on proper doctrines, including upon the KJB, has caused there to be a great emptiness. God promises a kind of divine retribution on those who have done despite. There is deliverance for the faithful believers.

The prophecy now links back to the Reformation principles prevailing, into the future of believing Christianity, which would include the restoration of the KJB.

Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

God's Word is pure; and God's Word has only only been tried, but has come out of history in a purified form, a pure text and translation out of the Reformation trying process in the furnace of earth (i.e. Romanism).

Ps 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

God protects the people who trust His Word, and keeps them for the cause of His Word, since He would have His Word go forth to the whole world. So likewise, as God also keeps His words, providing a sound basis for trust in those words for His people.

 

[FSSL]

... and you accuse us with foisting modern ideas on Scripture.

 

[bibleprotector]

... and you accuse us with foisting modern ideas on Scripture.

Believing the Scripture was around in David's time. Also, when you use the word modern, do you mean in a negative sense, i.e., are you anti-Reformation?