Is God angry with sin , and was sin the Sovereign plan of God ?

Leatherneck0311 said:
Only a fool outruns God’s direction.
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"Whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin" (James 4:17).

You have God's direction. You're disobeying it while pretending you need his special permission to obey. You impudent fool.
 
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Ransom said:
"Whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin" (James 4:17).

You have God's direction. You're disobeying it while pretending you need his special permission to obey. You impudent fool.
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1Pe 5:5 - Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselvesunto the elder. Yea, all of yoube subject one to another,and be clothed with humility:for God resisteth the proud,and giveth grace to thehumble.
 
Spare us the phony piety, you hypocrite.

The last time you blundered onto this forum, you proved yourself a serial liar.

Now you spew pious drivel about rejecting heretics, while a man you falsely accused (liar!) of being a heretic stands right here inviting you to obey the Lord's command and reject him. Indeed, I'm demanding it. And you disobey, nonetheless.

I guess you don't think God is all that angry with your sin. You arrogant Pharisee.

By all appearances, you've demonstrated yourself twice to be a son of hell. Explain to us all why we shouldn't regard you as an unbeliever and a fool.
 
Ransom said:
Spare us the phony piety, you hypocrite.

The last time you blundered onto this forum, you proved yourself a serial liar.

Now you spew pious drivel about rejecting heretics, while a man you falsely accused (liar!) of being a heretic stands right here inviting you to obey the Lord's command and reject him. Indeed, I'm demanding it. And you disobey, nonetheless.

I guess you don't think God is all that angry with your sin. You arrogant Pharisee.

By all appearances, you've demonstrated yourself twice to be a son of hell. Explain to us all why we shouldn't regard you as an unbeliever and a fool.
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As in your piety you attribute all sin and evil to Almighty God because you as a Calvinist believe He preordained it for His good pleasure. You want to see a hypocrite and Pharisee look in a mirror.
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
As in your piety you attribute all sin and evil to Almighty God because you as a Calvinist believe He preordained it for His good pleasure. You want to see a hypocrite and Pharisee look in a mirror.
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Hi, Pharisee. Has God given you special permission yet to obey something he already commanded you to do? Or are you still wrapping up your hypocrisy and disobedience in false religiosity?

You said I'm a "heretick." God said to reject hereticks. Do what you're told, you disobedient fool.
 
Ransom said:
Hi, Pharisee. Has God given you special permission yet to obey something he already commanded you to do? Or are you still wrapping up your hypocrisy and disobedience in false religiosity?

You said I'm a "heretick." God said to reject hereticks. Do what you're told, you disobedient fool.
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You take great pleasure in your pride and self don’t you. 1Pe 5:5 - Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of yoube subject one to another,and be clothed with humility:for God resisteth the proud,and giveth grace to the humble. Keep following your pope Calvin who believed and taught infant baptism and called church our mother like a good Roman Pagan Catholic.
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
You take great pleasure in your pride and self don’t you.
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Your deliberate disobedience to God's command to reject a heretick is not my fault.

The Bible that you are disobeying says to reject the heretick after one or two warnings. How many have you given me now in this thread alone? Four? Five?

Clearly, you think you know better than God and feel free to edit his commands to your own liking.

There's just no limit to the ways you prove yourself a fool, is there?

And, yeah, Proverbs 26:4 still applies. I'm not engaging in your foolish arguments in the original post. Cope and seethe, fool.
 
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Seems like all these blasted conversation boards are becoming Calvinist nests, and I've really grown tired of the BS from both sides...There are other doctrines outside of the teachings ofo Calvin and the other sides holding to free will. I think I'll take a break......This dung is getting piled up too high EVERYWHERE one goes, and it's not necessary, helpful, or good for the body of Christ.
Have fun, y'all. Keep your shovels handy!
 
Or you could just look at the thread, decide it doesn't interest you, and move on. There's no need to tear your robes over it first.
 
Ransom said:
Or you could just look at the thread, decide it doesn't interest you, and move on. There's no need to tear your robes over it first.
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Wondered if anyone would notice that I was playing on the 'drama queens" on here! LOL
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
Every time I see a Calvinist blame God for the evil that men do I have the same thought you accused me of , which is only an unbelieving scoffer could accuse God of preordaining evil. Is this truly what you are ?
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I have never heard a Calvinist blame God for the evil that men do. That is a new one on me.

God did not actively decree the fall, he allowed it. BIG DIFFERENCE!

Had he not allowed it, would it even be possible? Why did God allow the fall to occur? You are trying to get me in a "Catch-22" but it seems you are getting tangled in your own web.

Therefore, answer the question: Did God allow or did God not allow Adam to sin? Why would God allow for Adam to sin? Why did God create the "Tree of Knowledge" at all?

Every Calvinist teacher I have ever heard or read places the responsibility for man's sin upon man himself, not God!
 
Baptist Renegade said:
I have never heard a Calvinist blame God for the evil that men do. That is a new one on me.
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The "Calvinists" in question never existed. Pencilneck's whole schtick is to daydream these conversations with imaginary "Calvinists," and then come on here and tell us how wrong they were.

Of all the conversations that never happened, his never happened the most.
 
Ransom said:
The "Calvinists" in question never existed. Pencilneck's whole schtick is to daydream these conversations with imaginary "Calvinists," and then come on here and tell us how wrong they were.

Of all the conversations that never happened, his never happened the most.
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It was not the Calvinists that persuaded me towards Calvinism but the rabid anti-Calvinists and their inane, nonsensical arguments against Calvinism! They effectively convinced me that they had no argument!

I have listened to a good bit of the arguments put forward by professional Anti-Cals such as Dave Hunt, Leighton Flowers, and Laurence Vance which only cause me to want to "Double-Down" on the Calvinist position!

It would be nice for a change to hear someone tell us what they believe is RIGHT about their position rather than just telling me what is WRONG with mine! I may not agree but they will have gained my respect!

I do read material from Classic Arminians and Wesleyans which do make me stop and think. Roger Olson is very respectable and a good example that Leatherneck would do well to follow.
 
Ransom said:
Or you could just look at the thread, decide it doesn't interest you, and move on. There's no need to tear your robes over it first.
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That’s what I do with this thread. I’m waiting to tear my robes after Joe’s completely shredded his. 😬
 
Baptist Renegade said:
I have never heard a Calvinist blame God for the evil that men do. That is a new one on me.

God did not actively decree the fall, he allowed it. BIG DIFFERENCE!

Had he not allowed it, would it even be possible? Why did God allow the fall to occur? You are trying to get me in a "Catch-22" but it seems you are getting tangled in your own web.

Therefore, answer the question: Did God allow or did God not allow Adam to sin? Why would God allow for Adam to sin? Why did God create the "Tree of Knowledge" at all?

Every Calvinist teacher I have ever heard or read places the responsibility for man's sin upon man himself, not God!
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I have been told by many Calvinist who in several forums told me that God preordained for satan to rebel against Him, and Adam was preordained by God to disobey Him through His sovereign will, which is blasphemy because it makes all sin and evil God’s plan. When I pushed on this garbage then I was told their are several wills of God , more twisting of scripture, and evil is allowed by God’s permissive will, which they indicated removed the fault for all evil from God, but that sin was still His will.
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
I have been told by many Calvinist who in several forums told me that God preordained for satan to rebel against Him, and Adam was preordained by God to disobey Him through His sovereign will, which is blasphemy because it makes all sin and evil God’s plan. When I pushed on this garbage then I was told their are several wills of God , more twisting of scripture, and evil is allowed by God’s permissive will, which they indicated removed the fault for all evil from God, but that sin was still His will.
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I’ve almost completely stayed out of these Calvinism conversations, but I’m curious as to why you’re so passionate about it. In my opinion (admittedly uneducated about the subject), I’d like to believe on a moral-like level, that Calvinism is a false teaching. On a philosophical level, I have to admit that it seems problematic to not believe in Calvinism. I’m not trying to play both sides here, but I guess you’d say I’m open minded about the subject at this point.
 
Huk said:
I’ve almost completely stayed out of these Calvinism conversations, but I’m curious as to why you’re so passionate about it. In my opinion (admittedly uneducated about the subject), I’d like to believe on a moral-like level, that Calvinism is a false teaching. On a philosophical level, I have to admit that it seems problematic to not believe in Calvinism. I’m not trying to play both sides here, but I guess you’d say I’m open minded about the subject at this point.
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Calvinism takes every verse in scripture like John 3:16,Romans 10:13,1John 2:2, Revelation 22:17 , and many more, and changes the context to fit into Calvinism, which in essence has changed the gospel as Jesus and the Apostles taught it. Jesus said come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest etc ,and take my yoke upon you and learn of me for my burden is easy and my yolk is light in Matthew, which Calvinism has changed to you can’t go to Jesus unless you are elected. When the jailer asked Paul in Romans what he had to be saved Paul said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, which Calvinism has changed to only the elected can believe. I actually feel sorry for those caught up in the deceptions and lies of Calvinism.
 
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Baptist Renegade said:
I have never heard a Calvinist blame God for the evil that men do. That is a new one on me.

God did not actively decree the fall, he allowed it. BIG DIFFERENCE!

Had he not allowed it, would it even be possible? Why did God allow the fall to occur? You are trying to get me in a "Catch-22" but it seems you are getting tangled in your own web.

Therefore, answer the question: Did God allow or did God not allow Adam to sin? Why would God allow for Adam to sin? Why did God create the "Tree of Knowledge" at all?

Every Calvinist teacher I have ever heard or read places the responsibility for man's sin upon man himself, not God!
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God gave Adam a command “ do not eat off of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” and a warning “ on the day you eat off of that tree you will surely die”. Adam disobeyed God and the rest is history men have been dying ever since. Adam was given a choice ,not a predestination, to obey or disobey God. God allowed Adam to choose ! I can name two forums that it is a long held Calvinist belief that Satan’s rebellion and Adam’s disobedience was preordained by God. When anyone ask them what about the supposed non elect they say that the non elect are being condemned to eternal hell for God’s own good pleasure, which contradicts scripture that says God is long suffering to us ward not willing that any should perish , which they magically change us ward to mean only the elect.
 
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