Illegal Alian Importers

[Smellin Coffee]

I have no idea where you get your information.  Mexicans don't come here for free stuff because we don't give illegal immigrants free stuff.

1. Do illegal immigrants pay taxes?
2.  Do illegal immigrants receive government services?
If you answered "no" to 1 and "yes" to 2, illegal immigants do indeed get free stuff.

The federal gov. does collect billions in income taxes from residents who do not have a S.S. number. Many green card holders and illegals pay income taxes through the Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN) system.

Though I commend illegals that do pay their income taxes faithfully, I still think they should be working through the steps to obtain a green card. Most "legal, non-citizens" also pay taxes through the ITIN system.

Granted, the illegals who work using fake/stolen I.D.'s pay taxes, SSI, etc.  I'm not sure how this justifies anything, or maybe it's mentioned not to justify anything.

The ones standing in the Home Depot parking lot do not.

The FACTS are that illegals cost the US billions, plus the crime. disease, etc.

And illegals also help the economy with their cheap, undocumented labor in farms and private businesses such as farming and lawn care.

 

[subllibrm]

I have no idea where you get your information.  Mexicans don't come here for free stuff because we don't give illegal immigrants free stuff.

1. Do illegal immigrants pay taxes?
2.  Do illegal immigrants receive government services?
If you answered "no" to 1 and "yes" to 2, illegal immigants do indeed get free stuff.

The federal gov. does collect billions in income taxes from residents who do not have a S.S. number. Many green card holders and illegals pay income taxes through the Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN) system.

Though I commend illegals that do pay their income taxes faithfully, I still think they should be working through the steps to obtain a green card. Most "legal, non-citizens" also pay taxes through the ITIN system.

Granted, the illegals who work using fake/stolen I.D.'s pay taxes, SSI, etc.  I'm not sure how this justifies anything, or maybe it's mentioned not to justify anything.

The ones standing in the Home Depot parking lot do not.

The FACTS are that illegals cost the US billions, plus the crime. disease, etc.

And illegals also help the economy with their cheap, undocumented labor in farms and private businesses such as farming and lawn care.

Regardless of where any of us stand on the issue, this right here is the reason that the Republicans will do nothing about the problem. Their benefactors love the way it is right now.

 

[sword]

I have no idea where you get your information.  Mexicans don't come here for free stuff because we don't give illegal immigrants free stuff.

1. Do illegal immigrants pay taxes?
2.  Do illegal immigrants receive government services?
If you answered "no" to 1 and "yes" to 2, illegal immigants do indeed get free stuff.

The federal gov. does collect billions in income taxes from residents who do not have a S.S. number. Many green card holders and illegals pay income taxes through the Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN) system.

Though I commend illegals that do pay their income taxes faithfully, I still think they should be working through the steps to obtain a green card. Most "legal, non-citizens" also pay taxes through the ITIN system.

Granted, the illegals who work using fake/stolen I.D.'s pay taxes, SSI, etc.  I'm not sure how this justifies anything, or maybe it's mentioned not to justify anything.
The ones standing in the Home Depot parking lot do not.
The FACTS are that illegals cost the US billions, plus the crime. disease, etc.

And illegals also help the economy with their cheap, undocumented labor in farms and private businesses such as farming and lawn care.

I mentioned the ITIN system to point out many do pay taxes and are honest hard working citizens but that does not change the fact the broke the law when they came here or when their Visa expired. They may pay their taxes but they are still illegal.

I would also point out that without the cheap labor from mexico, all the people on disability because they can't find work or those who are on government assistance because they choose not to work would have job.
If we cut off the food to those who can work but choose not to then we would have plenty of people to clean hotels, pick veg. and do the landscaping work. The truth is most illegals I know are honest people and work very hard but that does not excuse the fact they broke the law and continue to break it. If we do not have enough workers then we have a means to bring in all we need legally.

I understand their are many on unemployment and disability and even welfare who wan't to work but can not find jobs. This is a win / win, we could cut govt. spending and put people to work at the same time. It does not make sense to pay people unemployment who do not have jobs and then allow people to come in from mexico to work these jpobs for poverty wages.
I also understand there are many who can not work and I am not referring to them here. I am for a safety net when one is needed.

FYI: 7.6 million people are unemployed in the U.S. and at least 1.9 million have been unemployed for over 27 weeks. Last years we averaged $2.5 billion dollars a month for unemployment payments nation wide. This is not a so called entitlement, people paid into this fund, but look at all the money we could save if we would just let U.S. citizens have the jobs. Wgaes would also go up naturally if we cut out the under the table job market

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284857/total-unemployment-benefits-paid-in-the-us/ 

 

[LongGone]

I have no idea where you get your information.  Mexicans don't come here for free stuff because we don't give illegal immigrants free stuff.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/25/us/hospitals-feeling-strain-from-illegal-immigrants.html

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/2070-illegal-immigrants-overrun-arizonas-emergency-rooms

"The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two ?anchor babies.?

http://www.wnd.com/2005/03/29329/#YQwGzLWeoJjjpzXd.99

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/

"Despite being ineligible, some illegal aliens also get welfare the same way they get jobs: with identity documents falsely identifying them as U.S. citizens."

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrSbDqTU6ZYSDQAdMhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyMHJyMzJzBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM0BHZ0aWQDQjI5NDFfMQRzZWMDc3I-?qid=20080728201531AALBOGG&p=do%20illegal%20immigrants%20get%20welfare

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/7/illegal-aliens-may-lose-of-some-medicare-benefits/


So you are correct.  We do not GIVE illegal's anything.  They TAKE it.

I am sure the gentlemen in the New York Times article said let me come to the US so I can be in a horrible accident so I can have the US hospital/government pick up the cost for my healthcare. The times article did point out correctly that hospitals must provide emergency service when it is life threatening. They do not provide regular medical services to illegal immigrants.

The Q&A from Yahoo was based on a anecdotal story of someone saying most of the people in the office are illegal. I can't prove it but based on working in Human Services for 28 years I am very skeptical.

Rest of your articles are right wing agenda driven publications that I have no faith in whatsoever. When you use the the magazine of the John Birch Society (New American Magazine) I have a hard time taking you seriously.

As I have said before that I believe we need reasonable border controls but to act like people are people coming over the Mexican border are coming for free stuff instead of to work is not true. Yes there are some undesirables but that is no where near the majority.

 

[Ransom]

Yes, all [illegal] immigrants of age pay taxes.

I have adjusted your quotation, if not to reflect what you believe, then at least to reflect what I asked.  Is the above (with my added words) a true statement in your estimation?

 

[sword]

Yes, all [illegal] immigrants of age pay taxes.

I have adjusted your quotation, if not to reflect what you believe, then at least to reflect what I asked.  Is the above (with my added words) a true statement in your estimation?

I know you are asking Smellin, but I say every illegal above the age of 18 pays some taxes. They pay them in the form of sales tax (except Delaware, Montana, Oregon, and New Hampshire.) and if they own a house or rent they pay property taxes. If they work, in many cases, they will pay federal and state income taxes plus Social Security/Medicare taxes. If they drive they likely pay tax in the form of registration fees or licence plates fees. If they smoke or drink they pay additional taxes and if they own a cell phone they pay all kinds of taxes and govt. fees.

 

[LongGone]

I have no idea where you get your information.  Mexicans don't come here for free stuff because we don't give illegal immigrants free stuff.

1. Do illegal immigrants pay taxes?
2.  Do illegal immigrants receive government services?
If you answered "no" to 1 and "yes" to 2, illegal immigants do indeed get free stuff.

The federal gov. does collect billions in income taxes from residents who do not have a S.S. number. Many green card holders and illegals pay income taxes through the Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN) system.

Though I commend illegals that do pay their income taxes faithfully, I still think they should be working through the steps to obtain a green card. Most "legal, non-citizens" also pay taxes through the ITIN system.

Granted, the illegals who work using fake/stolen I.D.'s pay taxes, SSI, etc.  I'm not sure how this justifies anything, or maybe it's mentioned not to justify anything.
The ones standing in the Home Depot parking lot do not.
The FACTS are that illegals cost the US billions, plus the crime. disease, etc.

And illegals also help the economy with their cheap, undocumented labor in farms and private businesses such as farming and lawn care.

I mentioned the ITIN system to point out many do pay taxes and are honest hard working citizens but that does not change the fact the broke the law when they came here or when their Visa expired. They may pay their taxes but they are still illegal.

I would also point out that without the cheap labor from mexico, all the people on disability because they can't find work or those who are on government assistance because they choose not to work would have job.
If we cut off the food to those who can work but choose not to then we would have plenty of people to clean hotels, pick veg. and do the landscaping work. The truth is most illegals I know are honest people and work very hard but that does not excuse the fact they broke the law and continue to break it. If we do not have enough workers then we have a means to bring in all we need legally.

I understand their are many on unemployment and disability and even welfare who wan't to work but can not find jobs. This is a win / win, we could cut govt. spending and put people to work at the same time. It does not make sense to pay people unemployment who do not have jobs and then allow people to come in from mexico to work these jpobs for poverty wages.
I also understand there are many who can not work and I am not referring to them here. I am for a safety net when one is needed.

FYI: 7.6 million people are unemployed in the U.S. and at least 1.9 million have been unemployed for over 27 weeks. Last years we averaged $2.5 billion dollars a month for unemployment payments nation wide. This is not a so called entitlement, people paid into this fund, but look at all the money we could save if we would just let U.S. citizens have the jobs. Wgaes would also go up naturally if we cut out the under the table job market

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284857/total-unemployment-benefits-paid-in-the-us/

So you think that people on disability are going to be able to adequately do the jobs that most illegal do now?

So you think that most people on unemployment are going to be willing to take the jobs that illegals work? Most states don't require you to take a job that is less than your unemployment.

You realize that what most people get from the "Welfare Office" is Medicaid and SNAP benefits. Most of the people on Medicaid or SNAP are either working or disabled.  Cash is a much smaller component of the the programs offered. The federal government has requirements that persons receiving cash participate in either work or a work related activity.

Cutting off food to people who we deem that won't work sounds great in theory. Whether we like it or not many of these people have baggage (ex-mental illness) that they will not function at regular employment. Cutting them off sounds great but so many of these situations include children. So do you really want to cut off food to children because of circumstances a parent won't or can't work?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Yes, all [illegal] immigrants of age pay taxes.

I have adjusted your quotation, if not to reflect what you believe, then at least to reflect what I asked.  Is the above (with my added words) a true statement in your estimation?

I know you are asking Smellin, but I say every illegal above the age of 18 pays some taxes. They pay them in the form of sales tax (except Delaware, Montana, Oregon, and New Hampshire.) and if they own a house or rent they pay property taxes. If they work, in many cases, they will pay federal and state income taxes plus Social Security/Medicare taxes. If they drive they likely pay tax in the form of registration fees or licence plates fees. If they smoke or drink they pay additional taxes and if they own a cell phone they pay all kinds of taxes and govt. fees.

This is exactly what I had in mind when I replied to Ransom.  Good work!

Property taxes, taxes on services, taxes on purchases including food, sometimes state, etc. Unless the illegal is underage or disabled, it is extremely hard to get out of paying all taxes.

 

[Ransom]

Property taxes, taxes on services, taxes on purchases including food, sometimes state, etc. Unless the illegal is underage or disabled, it is extremely hard to get out of paying all taxes.

So significantly less in taxes than a legal resident, unless they happen to have stolen a Social Security number.

Still getting free stuff. Maybe slightly less free stuff, but nontheless still getting it.

 

[LongGone]

Property taxes, taxes on services, taxes on purchases including food, sometimes state, etc. Unless the illegal is underage or disabled, it is extremely hard to get out of paying all taxes.

So significantly less in taxes than a legal resident, unless they happen to have stolen a Social Security number.

Still getting free stuff. Maybe slightly less free stuff, but nontheless still getting it.

I understand what you are getting at but there are also many legal residents who don't pay income tax because they do not make enough or do not pay because of EITC.

 

[Twisted]

I understand what you are getting at but there are also many legal residents who don't pay income tax because they do not make enough or do not pay because of EITC.

Or they make enough to shield it from taxes.  All perfectly legal and irrelevant to illegal aliens.

 

[Ransom]

I understand what you are getting at but there are also many legal residents who don't pay income tax because they do not make enough or do not pay because of EITC.

So because some American citizens and legal residents who file tax returns are exempt from income tax, that justifies illegal aliens cheating the system?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I understand what you are getting at but there are also many legal residents who don't pay income tax because they do not make enough or do not pay because of EITC.

So because some American citizens and legal residents who file tax returns are exempt from income tax, that justifies illegal aliens cheating the system?

It's called "finding a loophole". If there is theft such as stolen ID, then there should be prosecution/deportation. But to use loopholes to "cheat the system" in an effort to paying less taxes, may not be ethical, but it isn't a crime. Just look at our Predator-in-Chief who claimed despite all his wealth, he doesn't pay taxes. He's not wrong in avoiding them, because he is using loophole to "cheat the system".

I take the allowable child tax credits but I refuse to take credits for charitable donations/services. Those are in accord with my personal ethics. I don't expect anyone else to adhere to them on either side (the poor and the wealthy). I can understand the poorest of folks looking to avoid paying taxes for their survival but I don't understand the wealthiest who just don't want to do it.

And guess which "loophole taker" costs the government more funding? Billionaires who refuse to pay or illegals who can't afford to pay?

 

[Twisted]

I understand what you are getting at but there are also many legal residents who don't pay income tax because they do not make enough or do not pay because of EITC.

So because some American citizens and legal residents who file tax returns are exempt from income tax, that justifies illegal aliens cheating the system?

It's called "finding a loophole". If there is theft such as stolen ID, then there should be prosecution/deportation. But to use loopholes to "cheat the system" in an effort to paying less taxes, may not be ethical, but it isn't a crime. Just look at our Predator-in-Chief who claimed despite all his wealth, he doesn't pay taxes. He's not wrong in avoiding them, because he is using loophole to "cheat the system".

I take the allowable child tax credits but I refuse to take credits for charitable donations/services. Those are in accord with my personal ethics. I don't expect anyone else to adhere to them on either side (the poor and the wealthy). I can understand the poorest of folks looking to avoid paying taxes for their survival but I don't understand the wealthiest who just don't want to do it.

And guess which "loophole taker" costs the government more funding? Billionaires who refuse to pay or illegals who can't afford to pay?

The more he posts, the weirder he gets.  I like that.  I'm weird too, but in the opposite direction.  Smellin' adds balance.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I understand what you are getting at but there are also many legal residents who don't pay income tax because they do not make enough or do not pay because of EITC.

So because some American citizens and legal residents who file tax returns are exempt from income tax, that justifies illegal aliens cheating the system?

It's called "finding a loophole". If there is theft such as stolen ID, then there should be prosecution/deportation. But to use loopholes to "cheat the system" in an effort to paying less taxes, may not be ethical, but it isn't a crime. Just look at our Predator-in-Chief who claimed despite all his wealth, he doesn't pay taxes. He's not wrong in avoiding them, because he is using loophole to "cheat the system".

I take the allowable child tax credits but I refuse to take credits for charitable donations/services. Those are in accord with my personal ethics. I don't expect anyone else to adhere to them on either side (the poor and the wealthy). I can understand the poorest of folks looking to avoid paying taxes for their survival but I don't understand the wealthiest who just don't want to do it.

And guess which "loophole taker" costs the government more funding? Billionaires who refuse to pay or illegals who can't afford to pay?

The more he posts, the weirder he gets.  I like that.  I'm weird too, but in the opposite direction.  Smellin' adds balance.

LOL!

I think my wife and kids would agree with you !

 

[Twisted]

Now watch Smellin' defend the "rights" of immigrants to rape.

http://heatst.com/politics/looks-like-donald-trump-was-right-about-sweden-after-all/

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Now watch Smellin' defend the "rights" of immigrants to rape.

http://heatst.com/politics/looks-like-donald-trump-was-right-about-sweden-after-all/

Huh?

I wouldn't defend rape ever. Not even sexual assault. And I would not vote for a political candidate who admits to sexually assaulting others.

The defense of poor folks in dire circumstances to their lives is not a defense of rape. EVER.

I did not vote for our Predator-in-Chief. Did you?

 

[LongGone]

I understand what you are getting at but there are also many legal residents who don't pay income tax because they do not make enough or do not pay because of EITC.

So because some American citizens and legal residents who file tax returns are exempt from income tax, that justifies illegal aliens cheating the system?

It demonstrates that your statement that illegal immigrants pay significantly less taxes than legal residents is not always true.

 

[LongGone]

Now watch Smellin' defend the "rights" of immigrants to rape.

http://heatst.com/politics/looks-like-donald-trump-was-right-about-sweden-after-all/

I am sorry but when a right wing film maker creates a documentary and then partners with Fox News that is no more reliable than when Trump speaks.

 

[Twisted]

Please, Mr. Trump, end the hate.  Open the floodgates and let them all in.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw