If Jackie-Boy showed up at your church?

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Just curious, 2 questions for the pastors out there...

If/when Jackie-Boy gets out of the big house, what role, if any, could he legitimately fill in the church?

And, if Jackie-Boy showed up at your church, how would you react?

 

[RAIDER]

Just curious, 2 questions for the pastors out there...

If/when Jackie-Boy gets out of the big house, what role, if any, could he legitimately fill in the church?

And, if Jackie-Boy showed up at your church, how would you react?

I'm not a pastor, but I will put in my 2 cents.  My prayer is that JS will serve the shortest sentence that the state allows for his crime.  I hope that he is kept safe in prison.  I hope that he repents of his sin and pride.  I hope God uses him in prison to spread His Word.

With that being said, the day will come when he is released.  I believe he needs to attend a church with a pastor who "specializes" in restoration.  JS needs to just be a normal member for a time period (I don't know how long that will be). 

I believe JS can still be used of God.  Some good starting points would be ushering, singing in the choir, etc.  I believe a time will come when he could teach Sunday School, perhaps to an older group of folk.  As far as full-time ministry goes, I don't know that it would ever be wise.  Perhaps working for an organization like Rock of Ages or Reformers Unanimous would be a good fit.

In my opinion, humility will be key.  Just my thoughts!

 

[fishinnut]

Just curious, 2 questions for the pastors out there...

If/when Jackie-Boy gets out of the big house, what role, if any, could he legitimately fill in the church?

And, if Jackie-Boy showed up at your church, how would you react?

Since you are rather new the the HACker-nation, let me bring you up to speed. J Hyles referred to himself as "Little Jackie-boy Hyles....thus the name Jackie-boy was for him.

Now JS claimed that Jackie-boy passed his mantle to JS, so it could be said that JS was Jackie-boy's boy. :

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Just curious, 2 questions for the pastors out there...

If/when Jackie-Boy gets out of the big house, what role, if any, could he legitimately fill in the church?

And, if Jackie-Boy showed up at your church, how would you react?

I'm not a pastor, but I will put in my 2 cents.  My prayer is that JS will serve the shortest sentence that the state allows for his crime.  I hope that he is kept safe in prison.  I hope that he repents of his sin and pride.  I hope God uses him in prison to spread His Word.

With that being said, the day will come when he is released.  I believe he needs to attend a church with a pastor who "specializes" in restoration.  JS needs to just be a normal member for a time period (I don't know how long that will be). 

I believe JS can still be used of God.  Some good starting points would be ushering, singing in the choir, etc.  I believe a time will come when he could teach Sunday School, perhaps to an older group of folk.  As far as full-time ministry goes, I don't know that it would ever be wise.  Perhaps working for an organization like Rock of Ages or Reformers Unanimous would be a good fit.

In my opinion, humility will be key.  Just my thoughts!

I could not disagree more.  He is to be counted as a heathen and a publican.  Let him first show fruits of repentance.  Still, he should NEVER be given a position of authority in a church.  PERIOD.

 

[TidesofTruth]

There is a logical reason why God allows restoration of a person to the church but not to a position in the church.

I wish everyone would understand this who would want to place a person who has fallen back into a position of leadership.

It is because the position, poorly handled and submitted, which enables the pride and iniquity that produces the transgression.  Placing a restored believer back into leadership is like placing a person who has successfully overcome alcohol addiction in management of a liquor store.  Only fools do this and are as responsible for the coming sin as the transgressor.

 

[RAIDER]

Just curious, 2 questions for the pastors out there...

If/when Jackie-Boy gets out of the big house, what role, if any, could he legitimately fill in the church?

And, if Jackie-Boy showed up at your church, how would you react?

I'm not a pastor, but I will put in my 2 cents.  My prayer is that JS will serve the shortest sentence that the state allows for his crime.  I hope that he is kept safe in prison.  I hope that he repents of his sin and pride.  I hope God uses him in prison to spread His Word.

With that being said, the day will come when he is released.  I believe he needs to attend a church with a pastor who "specializes" in restoration.  JS needs to just be a normal member for a time period (I don't know how long that will be). 

I believe JS can still be used of God.  Some good starting points would be ushering, singing in the choir, etc.  I believe a time will come when he could teach Sunday School, perhaps to an older group of folk.  As far as full-time ministry goes, I don't know that it would ever be wise.  Perhaps working for an organization like Rock of Ages or Reformers Unanimous would be a good fit.

In my opinion, humility will be key.  Just my thoughts!

I could not disagree more.  He is to be counted as a heathen and a publican.  Let him first show fruits of repentance.  Still, he should NEVER be given a position of authority in a church.  PERIOD.

So if JS repents and humbles himself and proves himself over time, he is to be cast off forever??????

 

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Just curious, 2 questions for the pastors out there...

If/when Jackie-Boy gets out of the big house, what role, if any, could he legitimately fill in the church?

And, if Jackie-Boy showed up at your church, how would you react?

Since you are rather new the the HACker-nation, let me bring you up to speed. J Hyles referred to himself as "Little Jackie-boy Hyles....thus the name Jackie-boy was for him.

Now JS claimed that Jackie-boy passed his mantle to JS, so it could be said that JS was Jackie-boy's boy. :

What about Little Lord Fauntleroy?

 

[RAIDER]

Just curious, 2 questions for the pastors out there...

If/when Jackie-Boy gets out of the big house, what role, if any, could he legitimately fill in the church?

And, if Jackie-Boy showed up at your church, how would you react?

Since you are rather new the the HACker-nation, let me bring you up to speed. J Hyles referred to himself as "Little Jackie-boy Hyles....thus the name Jackie-boy was for him.

Now JS claimed that Jackie-boy passed his mantle to JS, so it could be said that JS was Jackie-boy's boy. :

What about Little Lord Fauntleroy?

Or his lordship, lord Alfred Hayes

 

[no value]

Just curious, 2 questions for the pastors out there...

If/when Jackie-Boy gets out of the big house, what role, if any, could he legitimately fill in the church?

And, if Jackie-Boy showed up at your church, how would you react?

Since you are rather new the the HACker-nation, let me bring you up to speed. J Hyles referred to himself as "Little Jackie-boy Hyles....thus the name Jackie-boy was for him.

Now JS claimed that Jackie-boy passed his mantle to JS, so it could be said that JS was Jackie-boy's boy. :

What about Little Lord Fauntleroy?

Or his lordship, lord Alfred Hayes

Or Caligula

 

[cast.sheep]

There is a logical reason why God allows restoration of a person to the church but not to a position in the church.

I wish everyone would understand this who would want to place a person who has fallen back into a position of leadership.

It is because the position, poorly handled and submitted, which enables the pride and iniquity that produces the transgression. Placing a restored believer back into leadership is like placing a person who has successfully overcome alcohol addiction in management of a liquor store.  Only fools do this and are as responsible for the coming sin as the transgressor.

I agree with this position.  There is SO MUCH a believer can do for the cause of Christ that does not include leadership.  I knew JS long before the fall.  I'm from his home church.  In my opinion, it was the pride that came from poorly handled leadership and fame that led up to his undoing.  Why put him in that position again? 

 

[Walt]

There is a logical reason why God allows restoration of a person to the church but not to a position in the church.

I wish everyone would understand this who would want to place a person who has fallen back into a position of leadership.

It is because the position, poorly handled and submitted, which enables the pride and iniquity that produces the transgression. Placing a restored believer back into leadership is like placing a person who has successfully overcome alcohol addiction in management of a liquor store.  Only fools do this and are as responsible for the coming sin as the transgressor.

I agree with this position.  There is SO MUCH a believer can do for the cause of Christ that does not include leadership.  I knew JS long before the fall.  I'm from his home church.  In my opinion, it was the pride that came from poorly handled leadership and fame that led up to his undoing.  Why put him in that position again?

I think he would be welcome, assuming that he has truly repented.  One of the telling things from his sentencing, I think, was all the effort he went to to get around the laws of the land, but he seemed to have no care at all about the laws of God he was breaking (someone else pointed that out).

Regardless, he would not be allowed to work with teens (even with an early release, that will certainly be part of his requirement).  Nor is he qualified to pastor or to be on the pastoral staff.

If he has truly humbled himself, perhaps teaching adults or older men.

 

[IFB X-Files]

I could not disagree more.  He is to be counted as a heathen and a publican.  Let him first show fruits of repentance.  Still, he should NEVER be given a position of authority in a church.  PERIOD.

Wait a minute.  That's pretty harsh.  I know a guy that got into porn in a big way and almost destroyed his marriage.  His father-in-law then ordained him and made him the youth pastor.  Shouldn't JS have the same chance?

 

[Dunkard]

Well, I'd have a little rule about him not being allowed anywhere around teenagers or other children-particularly of the opposite gender. And all the members would be notified about his sex offender status. He could be a janitor or do yardwork, but only during hours when no children or teens are present.

 

[Dunkard]

But then again, I don't believe that Jack Schaap is saved, so he wouldn't be allowed to be a member until he had repented. So until he repented, he would not be permitted to do any sort of work in the church. And I would make it quite clear to him that I would be notifying parents and grandparents within the church family about his sex offender status.

 

[16KJV11]

But then again, I don't believe that Jack Schaap is saved, so he wouldn't be allowed to be a member until he had repented. So until he repented, he would not be permitted to do any sort of work in the church. And I would make it quite clear to him that I would be notifying parents and grandparents within the church family about his sex offender status.

Then he must be THE Anti Christ!

 

[Dunkard]

But then again, I don't believe that Jack Schaap is saved, so he wouldn't be allowed to be a member until he had repented. So until he repented, he would not be permitted to do any sort of work in the church. And I would make it quite clear to him that I would be notifying parents and grandparents within the church family about his sex offender status.

Then he must be THE Anti Christ!

I don't know about "THE", but he is certainly an antichrist.

 

[GuyfawkesV49]

Just curious, 2 questions for the pastors out there...

If/when Jackie-Boy gets out of the big house, what role, if any, could he legitimately fill in the church?

And, if Jackie-Boy showed up at your church, how would you react?

I'm not a pastor, but I will put in my 2 cents.  My prayer is that JS will serve the shortest sentence that the state allows for his crime.  I hope that he is kept safe in prison.  I hope that he repents of his sin and pride.  I hope God uses him in prison to spread His Word.

With that being said, the day will come when he is released.  I believe he needs to attend a church with a pastor who "specializes" in restoration.  JS needs to just be a normal member for a time period (I don't know how long that will be). 

I believe JS can still be used of God.  Some good starting points would be ushering, singing in the choir, etc.  I believe a time will come when he could teach Sunday School, perhaps to an older group of folk.  As far as full-time ministry goes, I don't know that it would ever be wise.  Perhaps working for an organization like Rock of Ages or Reformers Unanimous would be a good fit.

In my opinion, humility will be key.  Just my thoughts!

Jack certainly did not demonstrate humility with his recent pathetic attempt to have  his sentence vacated by blaming the victim, his lawyers, and his inability to grasp  legal terms when given the sentencing guidelines.  Engaging in blame shifting does not seem like repentence to me.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I could not disagree more.  He is to be counted as a heathen and a publican.  Let him first show fruits of repentance.  Still, he should NEVER be given a position of authority in a church.  PERIOD.

Wait a minute.  That's pretty harsh.  I know a guy that got into porn in a big way and almost destroyed his marriage.  His father-in-law then ordained him and made him the youth pastor.  Shouldn't JS have the same chance?

His father-n-law made a huge mistake.

Scripturally, JS is to be counted as a heathen and a publican until he shows fruits of repentance.  Take it up with God if you don't like it.  Supposing your young friend repented, went through extended counseling, showed fruits of repentance, had a REAL GOOD checks and balance system established and went an extended period of time (years) without returning to his former habits......He might be considered for ministry again.  Still - a youth pastor?  Questionable.  Sounds like good ol' pop is more worried about providing for his daughter.

 

[prophet]

No one will have to worry about it,
Schaap won't ever legally be allowed to be around teens in a Church setting.
He will have to go to an adults only service, wherever he goes.  This would logically exclude him from church leadership in any wsy shape or form, and rightfully so.

So we can opine all we wish, the federal gov. owns that pervert for the rest of his miserable lying, sheep-scalping life.

 

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It just occurred to me...and someone please chime in with the details (because I don't know), but what church did the pervert Dave Hyles attend after his disgrace, and did he have a position?