Just me said:
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AmazedbyGrace said:
lol!! ain't that the unfortunate truth.
But I never will understand the mindset of a parent that is willing to shun/excommunicate a child for "sin in their life". I have watched over the years as parents of IFBX churches do just that. It is interesting though in that it is usually the dad that draws the line and it kills mom to do it. But mom has been beaten down under the IFBx system so much that she just accepts it as her lot in life. When I see the mom down the road I see such heartache in her eyes over it all.
And I have never seen it work either. The child never comes back around to what the IFBx pastor deems as acceptable. Thus never a restored family relationship. So sad and pathetic.
My husband & I left the IFBX fold 4 years ago. My husband still has family in it and I have some family in it. I have learned in these 4 years to just pray. I can not be the Holy Spirit for someone else. I do think it may be easier for family to see the light if it comes from someone else, similar to salvation. Sometimes it takes the same message but a different messenger, if that makes sense. My in-laws are IFBX in an IFBX church, some of my family is fundie lite in an IFBX church.
When visiting we would plan the trip shorter to avoid Sunday church. When it couldn't be avoided, we would go somewhere else.
My husbands dad gets his Bible certificate every year for reading it through. I do believe that he reads the Bible through the filter of his preacher. One year my husband called his dad for his birthday. My husband wanted to give his dad a birthday blessing. The convo went like this:
Husband: Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Dad: *interupts* What are you trying to do here? I do not believe that predestination stuff, it is the biggest enemy of the Christian church
Husband: Dad, I was just quoting you the Bible
Dad: what kind of perversion is that. I have never read that garbage in the Bible before!
Husband: Dad, I was quoting you Romans 8:30 from the King James Version
Dad: *dial tone*
My husband learned a lot of things in that simple exchange...
I have given my husbands mom books like Toxic Faith and Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse but I am unsure if she has read them. My husband and I feel we will just agree to disagree and not mention anything about church or the Bible to family. My husbands family is not like that though, they want to disagree to disagree and are constantly trying to preach and convert us. We are apostate and because we left IFBX that means we hate Baptists, lol.
When visiting we would plan the trip shorter to avoid Sunday church. When it couldn't be avoided, we would go somewhere else.
My husbands dad gets his Bible certificate every year for reading it through. I do believe that he reads the Bible through the filter of his preacher. One year my husband called his dad for his birthday. My husband wanted to give his dad a birthday blessing. The convo went like this:
Husband: Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Dad: *interupts* What are you trying to do here? I do not believe that predestination stuff, it is the biggest enemy of the Christian church
Husband: Dad, I was just quoting you the Bible
Dad: what kind of perversion is that. I have never read that garbage in the Bible before!
Husband: Dad, I was quoting you Romans 8:30 from the King James Version
Dad: *dial tone*
My husband learned a lot of things in that simple exchange...
I have given my husbands mom books like Toxic Faith and Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse but I am unsure if she has read them. My husband and I feel we will just agree to disagree and not mention anything about church or the Bible to family. My husbands family is not like that though, they want to disagree to disagree and are constantly trying to preach and convert us. We are apostate and because we left IFBX that means we hate Baptists, lol.
You are referring to adults, correct? They are going to attend whatever church they choose and your disapproval is not a factor in their decision. I realize that anyone can come on this forum and label a church IFBx and get a lot of pats on the back, but I personally get tired of people throwing around the "x-er" label after IFB. Your family has chosen to place themselves under the control of another person in a church, which is not an IFB problem, nor an "x-er" problem, it is a lack of discernment on the part of your family members. Poor choices are the problem.JustABigKid said:
JrChurch said:
I beg to differ JrChurch. It is an IFBx problem in that they should never exist!!! There should never be a church (and there unfortunately are many) that controls and manipulates every aspect of peoples lives. That demand total loyalty to the pastor. That hide behind twisted Scripture. Leadership in these churches are to blame as they seek more power and control. But then they are of their father the Devil so I should not be surprised.
And as to lack of discernment maybe, but I think it is more a case of sincere honest people being manipulated and having their sincerity used against them.
And we do differ, Just me. As long as we are clearly referring to adults, I believe in individual responsibility, whether it be a controlling person or a person allowing himself to be controlled.Just me said:
JrChurch said:
Fair enough.
I do understand your position on individual responsibility and can't say I disagree with it.
Pastors and leadership of these IFBx mentality churches have alot of individual responsibility issues to answer for.
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JrChurch said:
Yes they are adults but this is definetly and IFBx type of church. I attend an IFB church now that is definetly now an Xer. I don't honestly think they realize what they are under. Maybe when they first started attending their intentions were pure but the indoctrination of unbiblical dictatorship and man worship has blinded them. I sort of relate it to all those that follow a dictator in a country they may be sincere but they have been sincerely blinded and it hurts.
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16KJV11 said:
This is not relevant to the question at hand.
It just occurred to me that outside of this forum and the FB group, I don't know anybody who's in IFB at all, let alone IFBx. 
Izdaari said:it just occurred to me that outside of this forum and the FB group, I don't know anybody who's in IFB at all, let alone IFBx.
Most people in IFBx churches do not know they are in one. That is part of the problem. They accept the treatment as how it is supposed to be. When we walked away and were looking for another church for the family the term IFBx was foreign to the pastors we talked with. Once epxplained they understood and knew of those type of churches. And of course none of them were IFBx.
And, ready for a shock, no IFBx pastor would claim to be IFBx either..... go figure
Just me said:Izdaari said:it just occurred to me that outside of this forum and the FB group, I don't know anybody who's in IFB at all, let alone IFBx.
Most people in IFBx churches do not know they are in one. That is part of the problem. They accept the treatment as how it is supposed to be. When we walked away and were looking for another church for the family the term IFBx was foreign to the pastors we talked with. Once epxplained they understood and knew of those type of churches. And of course none of them were IFBx.
And, ready for a shock, no IFBx pastor would claim to be IFBx either..... go figure
Boy, I don't know. Have you run this by Frag?
Just me said:Izdaari said:it just occurred to me that outside of this forum and the FB group, I don't know anybody who's in IFB at all, let alone IFBx.
Most people in IFBx churches do not know they are in one. That is part of the problem. They accept the treatment as how it is supposed to be. When we walked away and were looking for another church for the family the term IFBx was foreign to the pastors we talked with. Once epxplained they understood and knew of those type of churches. And of course none of them were IFBx.
And, ready for a shock, no IFBx pastor would claim to be IFBx either..... go figure
I think I can safely say that neither my former Assemblies of God church nor my present Episcopal church are IFBx. :-*
The last time I regularly attended an IFB church was when I was 12. (Taking Dr. Bob's word for it that GARBC counts as IFB.) I give them credit for introducing me to Jesus, but after that IFB and I went our separate ways.
BALAAM said:Just me said:Izdaari said:it just occurred to me that outside of this forum and the FB group, I don't know anybody who's in IFB at all, let alone IFBx.
Most people in IFBx churches do not know they are in one. That is part of the problem. They accept the treatment as how it is supposed to be. When we walked away and were looking for another church for the family the term IFBx was foreign to the pastors we talked with. Once epxplained they understood and knew of those type of churches. And of course none of them were IFBx.
And, ready for a shock, no IFBx pastor would claim to be IFBx either..... go figure
Boy, I don't know. Have you run this by Frag?
LOL! :-*
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16KJV11 said:
As I said the name is not relevant to the question as there are many of these churches across our nation. The problem that I am seeking help with is how to help my family see the error of the teaching at the church.
And as far as being afraid of even though I have been out for a number of years and have realized the way the Bible has been used and twisted to complete an agenda there is still that thought in the back of the mind of what do people think. If you have never been there you would not understand. You are brought up being taught to obey authority to a tee and you see people who don't get shunned and black listed because of it even if they are not doing evil. I know men who are good pastors and servants of God but because their decision to move on or take a pastorate was not ok with the pastor at this church they have been ridculed, black listed, shunned, and made to look like they are out of God's will.
This fear that the same will happen to you is what keeps people blinded to the truth or if they know the truth is what keeps people from moving on.
I hope you have never or will never be in that kind of a place.
JustABigKid said:
Nailed it
The preachers of these churches know exactly how to play on the peoples fear. They let tidbits out in the sermons. You know the stories where no name is given but everyone in attendence knows who the preacher is talking about. Just enough to keep the people saying wow I am glad it was them and not me. The preacher knows the sheeple will not get out of line this way because the story is told to say, "listen to preacher or else the she bears will get ya!"
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I'm glad I've never been involved with a church like that and God have mercy on the pastor that treats his people like that...............how you treat people comes back to you...............if a pastor is like that GET OUT!!!
Sherryh said:
I am glad you have not been under that type of unBiblical pastoral leadership.
Unfortunately, I believe one pastor I know has trained hundreds of preacher boys to be just like him as pastors or missionaries and sadly he has destroyed the lives of hundreds of God's children along the way. Fortunately ill health has befallen him and he stepped down several years ago. Unfortunately he turned it over to a young buck that is well trained in his methods and continues the pain even today.