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In a weird way, I can understand what the ladies are saying here. I always had the opposite problem of being the guy with good looks and little charisma. I sometimes didn’t even have to ask the girl out, but it never seemed to get much farther even when I was interested. However, then I’d later see some dumpy guy who “got the girl” because, unlike me, he made her laugh or touched her emotionally or whatever. Regardless, at least one girl liked me enough to marry me lol. But yes, I can completely see how an unattractive, overweight, bald guy could get a huge number of girls because I definitely witnessed the fact that charisma and personality outweigh good looks.
it;s true.... and - sometimes girls just do stupid things.... my natural sister was like that... . she was very beautiful and could have gotten any guy she wanted... but she was also an exotic dancer and attracted some of the very worse kind of men... creepy and very dangerous men who would have stalked her - except for one thing... her boyfriend was far more dangerous than any of them were... .he was huge... very strong... but also a drug dealer and meth addict... and... he was also one of the bouncers at the bar she worked at... that;s how she met him... ...

she warned me about him before i ever met him - when we were still on the plane and she was bringing me over here... . she said she knew he was bad and she had no doubts that he would one day end up in prison for life.... but she kept him because he made her feel safe... and she believed he would never hurt her.... .. ...little did she know that his life sentence in prison would be handed down only a year later... and it would be for her murder.... he went into a meth filled rage one night at the dinner table and killed her with a butcher knife... ...i was there... .. and i saw the whole thing... .. i still see it sometimes in nightmares....
 
it;s true.... and - sometimes girls just do stupid things.... my natural sister was like that... . she was very beautiful and could have gotten any guy she wanted... but she was also an exotic dancer and attracted some of the very worse kind of men... creepy and very dangerous men who would have stalked her - except for one thing... her boyfriend was far more dangerous than any of them were... .he was huge... very strong... but also a drug dealer and meth addict... and... he was also one of the bouncers at the bar she worked at... that;s how she met him... ...

she warned me about him before i ever met him - when we were still on the plane and she was bringing me over here... . she said she knew he was bad and she had no doubts that he would one day end up in prison for life.... but she kept him because he made her feel safe... and she believed he would never hurt her.... .. ...little did she know that his life sentence in prison would be handed down only a year later... and it would be for her murder.... he went into a meth filled rage one night at the dinner table and killed her with a butcher knife... ...i was there... .. and i saw the whole thing... .. i still see it sometimes in nightmares....
That’s terrible. I hope that guy never sees the outside of a prison. Of course, God will be the final judge and jury.
 
That’s terrible. I hope that guy never sees the outside of a prison. Of course, God will be the final judge and jury.
he;s managed to sabotage himself at all his parole hearings... ... i have the right to attend them - but i never have gone to them..... i have read transcripts though and in one of the more memorable hearings he actually told the parole board that crystal meth use to be his god... but that in prison he could stay clean... then he added that once on the outside it will probably rule his life again - and people will probably die...... instant rejection.... ... even his family wants him to stay in prison.. and that;s rare for hawaii... ....
 
Just copied the quote below from Jeriwho.net.

  • David Hyles, Jack Hyles' son, was expelled from the pulpit and pastorate at Miller Road Baptist Church in Garland, Texas. He was charged with having committd adultery with 19 different women at the church. The story broke when a janitor found pornographic photos of Hyles having sex with a deacon's daughter. David, whose wife divorced him, later lived with Brenda Stevens and was charged in abusing her year-old son, Brent. Brent was found dead in his crib at the age of 15 months. At the coroner's inquest in 1985, Brenda was a no-show, while David Hyles pleaded the Fifth Amendment. David and Brenda Hyles later conceived a son, and named him Jack David Hyles. In March of 1999, Brenda Hyles ran him over with the family car, killing the 5-year-old boy. Brenda claimed that Jack David had fallen out of the car and she could not avoid running over him (3/25/99, St. Petersburg Times).] Many IFB pulpits are still open to Dave Hyles, in spite of his history of gross sin.
 
Just copied the quote below from Jeriwho.net.
that;s the quick and abreviated version.... far less than what bassenco has written about it before.... .i have heard a lot more about what happened at miller road church... but that;s for people with first hand knowledge to tell.... ...and the rest of the story is abreviated too....it leaves out that jack hyles was rumored to have already arrived at the house where brent stevens died before the police even got there.... also leaves out the fact police failed to maintain proper custody of the body after they found what was clearly an unattended and suspicious death of a child.. .. and no proper autopsy was done because the body was embalmed and buried before the coroner could schedule one - something that would not have happened if police had done their jobs.... .. .... ...even back then police were supposed to have training in how to recognize a child with mutiple and untreated injuries in various stages of healing.... ..many people have much to answer for in that case..... but unfortunately many more know the facts of all the sins of the hyles cult and don;t appear to care..... ...others connected to the church in hammond itself continue to blow smoke screens.... ....why is that?.... ..i guess the more cynical would call it job security for corrrupt and demented preachers..... i call it something else....
 
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that;s the quick and abreviated version.... far less than what bassenco has written about it before.... .i have heard a lot more about what happened at miller road church... but that;s for people with first hand knowledge to tell.... ...and the rest of the story is abreviated too....it leaves out that jack hyles was rumored to have already arrived at the house where brent stevens died before the police even got there.... also leaves out the fact police failed to maintain proper custody of the body after they found what was clearly an unattended and suspicious death of a child.. .. and no proper autopsy was done because the body was embalmed and buried before the coroner could schedule one - something that would not have happened if police had done their jobs.... .. .... ...even back then police were supposed to have training in how to recognize a child with mutiple and untreated injuries in various stages of healing.... ..many people have much to answer for in that case..... but unfortunately many more know the facts of all the sins of the hyles cult and don;t appear to care..... ...others connected to the church in hammond itself continue to blow smoke screens.... ....why is that?.... ..i guess the more cynical would call it job security for corrrupt and demented preachers..... i call it something else....
Wow! Aleshanee, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. It makes me appreciate my own messed up family....lol. Is Bassenco on this forum? Where can I read what that person wrote?

I pray for justice for Brent....so sad.

If David Hyles (a.k.a. "Doc") ever reads words on this forum:

Please, if you have a conscience at all, it's time to tell us what happened. You're getting old now, Dave. Before you die, tell your secrets to the authorities.

Are you the monster people think you are, or was it an accident?
 
that;s the quick and abreviated version.... far less than what bassenco has written about it before.... .i have heard a lot more about what happened at miller road church... but that;s for people with first hand knowledge to tell.... ...and the rest of the story is abreviated too....it leaves out that jack hyles was rumored to have already arrived at the house where brent stevens died before the police even got there.... also leaves out the fact police failed to maintain proper custody of the body after they found what was clearly an unattended and suspicious death of a child.. .. and no proper autopsy was done because the body was embalmed and buried before the coroner could schedule one - something that would not have happened if police had done their jobs.... .. .... ...even back then police were supposed to have training in how to recognize a child with mutiple and untreated injuries in various stages of healing.... ..many people have much to answer for in that case..... but unfortunately many more know the facts of all the sins of the hyles cult and don;t appear to care..... ...others connected to the church in hammond itself continue to blow smoke screens.... ....why is that?.... ..i guess the more cynical would call it job security for corrrupt and demented preachers..... i call it something else....
I read that story many years ago, and I think it was either the Detroit or Chicago local new did an expose on it. In my opinion, David Hyles is a murderer.
 
Wow! Aleshanee, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. It makes me appreciate my own messed up family....lol. Is Bassenco on this forum? Where can I read what that person wrote?

I pray for justice for Brent....so sad.

If David Hyles (a.k.a. "Doc") ever reads words on this forum:

Please, if you have a conscience at all, it's time to tell us what happened. You're getting old now, Dave. Before you die, tell your secrets to the authorities.

Are you the monster people think you are, or was it an accident?
bassenco is the name jerri massi ... (a.k.a. jeriwho)... used when she was on a previous version of the fff..... she was very prolific on the old forums several years ago.... but i have never seen her on this one.... ....and i don;t think those old forum files are even accessable any more.. ...i wish they were....
 
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Wow! Aleshanee, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. It makes me appreciate my own messed up family....lol. Is Bassenco on this forum? Where can I read what that person wrote?

I pray for justice for Brent....so sad.

If David Hyles (a.k.a. "Doc") ever reads words on this forum:

Please, if you have a conscience at all, it's time to tell us what happened. You're getting old now, Dave. Before you die, tell your secrets to the authorities.

Are you the monster people think you are, or was it an accident?
You should be able to read bass posts here not sure how to find them but she did post them.
 
Curtis Huston typified the mindset when he justified the handling of this scandal by not only saying, "look at the good he's done..." but also declaring the name of Fundamentalism must be preserved.
My skepticism of the preacher boys podcast is off the charts. I really would have to see that letter and know that it came from an authentic source before believing the outrageous claims of Hutson. But assuming that it is authentic and true, what an incredibly bankrupt and sad state of morality.
 
My skepticism of the preacher boys podcast is off the charts. I really would have to see that letter and know that it came from an authentic source before believing the outrageous claims of Hutson. But assuming that it is authentic and true, what an incredibly bankrupt and sad state of morality.​

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I see we have this in common.

Let's think about this for a second: Mr Hutson seemingly wrote this letter and signed it - admitting that he would lie if need be and then, he sent this letter to another preacher who could have exposed him from his own pulpit, immediately. Mr Hutson at the time was a very well known preacher and editor of a well known fire and brimstone publication and yet, he seemingly signed his name to a document saying that he would lie. Just a question about this letter: did it come to light before or after Mr Hutson death?

If he really did that, not only was his morality "bankrupt" so was his reasoning and intelligence.

So, what we've been told is that Mr Hyles, while standing in the pulpit and plainly preaching strict standards, out of the pulpit (in the worlds largest church with thousands to see) didn't sneak around like most adulterers but blatently "left the door open" between his office and his concubine's; that while he was on the board of the fundamentalist The Sword of the Lord and while he associated with the most famous fundamentalist fire and brimstone preachers (at the time) in America, at the same time, he built his adultress a home a block or two away from his wife's home and flaunted it in front of his wife and children and everyone else who had heard him preaching strict standards from the pulpit (apparently undaunted by the possible consequences of what could happen) and we are also being told that once his contemporaries knew about it - also successful in their own fire and brimstone "ministries", that they threatened to lie about it to cover it up and even went so far as to sign their names on paper of such intentions. That just doesn't make much sense.

We're basically being told that along with their total lack of morality, these fire and brimstone preachers had no wisdom as well.

I think that at the table of gossip, a large shaker of salt should be opened and grains of salt ought to be poured out on all of the salacious gossipy food being served.


Here's a video I have found interesting. Forget about the son's past and think about what he's saying here.





I have no reason to defend Mr Hyles. He certainly would not have cared for me if he had known me. I can assure you of that. Neither would have any of his contemporaries. But Mr Hyles' daughter has said one thing. His son has now said another. That one of them is lying is pretty certain. And bells should go off for us to take caution on what is said about this man.

What the son is saying in this video makes much more sense to me that what the daughter is alledging. (regardless of his own character or honesty)

For so long, I accepted everything that was said about him (the father) but just recently I've asked myself: "Gringo, is that fair? You don't accept the major doctrines of the Bible (even though they are accepted by millions) so why would you accept these stinging arrows of gossip without at least thinking them through. And it just doesn't make sense to me that this man, who on the one hand was so smart as to know how to build the world's largest church, would be so stupid to deliberately behave openly in such a way as to damage the reputation he worked so hard for in the pulpit.

If this really happened, that he had an affair and that he flaunted it in front of his wife for years - in front of everyone - don't you think Mrs Hyles, somewhere along the line, would have mustered up enough courage and self respect to say "enough is enough"? By all accounts, Mrs Hyles was a class act - a woman of substance. I don't believe she would have turned her head the other way for all of those years if her dignity was being made fun of by an uncaring husband. And I just don't think that if he really did do this and she was aware of it, that she would have gotten up in the pulpit at his funeral (knowing that everyone else knew too) and spoke the way she did of him.

Something just doesn't seem right.
 
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So, is this Curtis Huston letter a forgery?
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I don't know if it is or it isn't. But if Hyles and his son can be so immoral to have done the things they are alledged to have done, why can't someone be immoral as to forge a letter after the man's death?

Once again, I don't know. If it isn't a forgery, as I said, he had to be one of the stupidest men on the planet. Afterall, 28 or 29 years later we are still talking about a letter he supposedly wrote and signed.

So stupid on his part, if it isn't a forgery.
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I see we have this in common.

Let's think about this for a second: Mr Hutson seemingly wrote this letter and signed it - admitting that he would lie if need be and then, he sent this letter to another preacher who could have exposed him from his own pulpit, immediately. Mr Hutson at the time was a very well known preacher and editor of a well known fire and brimstone publication and yet, he seemingly signed his name to a document saying that he would lie. Just a question about this letter: did it come to light before or after Mr Hutson death?

If he really did that, not only was his morality "bankrupt" so was his reasoning and intelligence.

So, what we've been told is that Mr Hyles, while standing in the pulpit and plainly preaching strict standards, out of the pulpit (in the worlds largest church with thousands to see) didn't sneak around like most adulterers but blatently "left the door open" between his office and his concubine's; that while he was on the board of the fundamentalist The Sword of the Lord and while he associated with the most famous fundamentalist fire and brimstone preachers (at the time) in America, at the same time, he built his adultress a home a block or two away from his wife's home and flaunted it in front of his wife and children and everyone else who had heard him preaching strict standards from the pulpit (apparently undaunted by the possible consequences of what could happen) and we are also being told that once his contemporaries knew about it - also successful in their own fire and brimstone "ministries", that they threatened to lie about it to cover it up and even went so far as to sign their names on paper of such intentions. That just doesn't make much sense.

We're basically being told that along with their total lack of morality, these fire and brimstone preachers had no wisdom as well.

I think that at the table of gossip, a large shaker of salt should be opened and grains of salt ought to be poured out on all of the salacious gossipy food being served.


Here's a video I have found interesting. Forget about the son's past and think about what he's saying here.





I have no reason to defend Mr Hyles. He certainly would not have cared for me if he had known me. I can assure you of that. Neither would have any of his contemporaries. But Mr Hyles' daughter has said one thing. His son has now said another. That one of them is lying is pretty certain. And bells should go off for us to take caution on what is said about this man.

What the son is saying in this video makes much more sense to me that what the daughter is alledging. (regardless of his own character or honesty)

For so long, I accepted everything that was said about him (the father) but just recently I've asked myself: "Gringo, is that fair? You don't accept the major doctrines of the Bible (even though they are accepted by millions) so why would you accept these stinging arrows of gossip without at least thinking them through. And it just doesn't make sense to me that this man, who on the one hand was so smart as to know how to build the world's largest church, would be so stupid to deliberately behave openly in such a way as to damage the reputation he worked so hard for in the pulpit.

If this really happened, that he had an affair and that he flaunted it in front of his wife for years - in front of everyone - don't you think Mrs Hyles, somewhere along the line, would have mustered up enough courage and self respect to say "enough is enough"? By all accounts, Mrs Hyles was a class act - a woman of substance. I don't believe she would have turned her head the other way for all of those years if her dignity was being made fun of by an uncaring husband. And I just don't think that if he really did do this and she was aware of it, that she would have gotten up in the pulpit at his funeral (knowing that everyone else knew too) and spoke the way she did of him.

Something just doesn't seem right.
People believe what they want to believe. I have friends and family close to the situation, so I trust their testimony. To me, it's kind of pointless to go round and round on the topic. In fact, I wouldn't mind if the webmaster closed this thread, and I'm the one who started it.

To see Dave's face and his mouth moving disturbs me because I feel confident he is a liar and most likely a child killer, but that is my opinion.....based on what I've read, seen and heard.
 
To see Dave's face and his mouth moving disturbs me because I feel confident he is a liar and most likely a child killer, but that is my opinion.....based on what I've read, seen and heard.
Well, you came from that place. I would think your knowledge is firsthand.
 
People believe what they want to believe. I have friends and family close to the situation, so I trust their testimony. To me, it's kind of pointless to go round and round on the topic. In fact, I wouldn't mind if the webmaster closed this thread, and I'm the one who started it.

To see Dave's face and his mouth moving disturbs me because I feel confident he is a liar and most likely a child killer, but that is my opinion.....based on what I've read, seen and heard.

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That's what I was thinking too.
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That's what I was thinking too.
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"Pointless" is often in the eye of the beholder. I think there is merit for discussion of this in the same vein as the admonition to "remember history so we don't repeat it"(paraphrased). There may be onlookers who are trying to make sense of the past indiscretions. They could benefit from understanding the accurate presentation of mistakes/sins made by their former leaders/church. I look at it in a similar mindset as what the Bible says about the the Old Testament in 1 Cor 11 (Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition).
 
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