Good & Bad Classes at HAC

Comical side note here.

Word got around who were the best and worst teachers, and I realized something: the most incompetent teacher was assigned Gospel of John. The most competent would get courses like Leviticus, Hebrews, and Ezekiel. Thank God I had already taken Gospel of John when they gave it to a new teacher. He piled on repetitive books of little value they had to read, explaining that graduates looked back and respected the hard teachers, not the easy ones.

Anyway, they had me speak to the youth group at my home church (I hadn't graduated yet) and I explained that to find the least competent teacher, find out who is teaching Gospel of John. I explained that it is not the book (They're all inspired) but the teacher that makes a Bible class good or bad. One Bob Jones student was also home on vacation, and he pitched a fit.

Two Sundays later, at FBCH, Brother Hyles got up and blasted the doctrine that the most incompetent teacher gets Gospel of John. He announced that from now on, Joe Combs would teach it. I am not sure if he took over the next day or the next semester, but after that, they went back to giving it to the least competent teacher.
 
Vince Massi said:
Comical side note here.

Word got around who were the best and worst teachers, and I realized something: the most incompetent teacher was assigned Gospel of John. The most competent would get courses like Leviticus, Hebrews, and Ezekiel. Thank God I had already taken Gospel of John when they gave it to a new teacher. He piled on repetitive books of little value they had to read, explaining that graduates looked back and respected the hard teachers, not the easy ones.

Anyway, they had me speak to the youth group at my home church (I hadn't graduated yet) and I explained that to find the least competent teacher, find out who is teaching Gospel of John. I explained that it is not the book (They're all inspired) but the teacher that makes a Bible class good or bad. One Bob Jones student was also home on vacation, and he pitched a fit.

Two Sundays later, at FBCH, Brother Hyles got up and blasted the doctrine that the most incompetent teacher gets Gospel of John. He announced that from now on, Joe Combs would teach it. I am not sure if he took over the next day or the next semester, but after that, they went back to giving it to the least competent teacher.
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What is your preferred brand of glue to sniff?
 
RAIDER said:
Vince Massi said:
Comical side note here.

Word got around who were the best and worst teachers, and I realized something: the most incompetent teacher was assigned Gospel of John. The most competent would get courses like Leviticus, Hebrews, and Ezekiel. Thank God I had already taken Gospel of John when they gave it to a new teacher. He piled on repetitive books of little value they had to read, explaining that graduates looked back and respected the hard teachers, not the easy ones.

Anyway, they had me speak to the youth group at my home church (I hadn't graduated yet) and I explained that to find the least competent teacher, find out who is teaching Gospel of John. I explained that it is not the book (They're all inspired) but the teacher that makes a Bible class good or bad. One Bob Jones student was also home on vacation, and he pitched a fit.

Two Sundays later, at FBCH, Brother Hyles got up and blasted the doctrine that the most incompetent teacher gets Gospel of John. He announced that from now on, Joe Combs would teach it. I am not sure if he took over the next day or the next semester, but after that, they went back to giving it to the least competent teacher.
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What is your preferred brand of glue to sniff?
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I think he goes to the source, and sniffs the horse.
 
Vince Massi said:
Comical side note here.

Word got around who were the best and worst teachers, and I realized something: the most incompetent teacher was assigned Gospel of John. The most competent would get courses like Leviticus, Hebrews, and Ezekiel. Thank God I had already taken Gospel of John when they gave it to a new teacher. He piled on repetitive books of little value they had to read, explaining that graduates looked back and respected the hard teachers, not the easy ones.

Anyway, they had me speak to the youth group at my home church (I hadn't graduated yet) and I explained that to find the least competent teacher, find out who is teaching Gospel of John. I explained that it is not the book (They're all inspired) but the teacher that makes a Bible class good or bad. One Bob Jones student was also home on vacation, and he pitched a fit.

Two Sundays later, at FBCH, Brother Hyles got up and blasted the doctrine that the most incompetent teacher gets Gospel of John. He announced that from now on, Joe Combs would teach it. I am not sure if he took over the next day or the next semester, but after that, they went back to giving it to the least competent teacher.
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Your meds are wearing off again Preable.
 
Isnt it time for more Roadway Gang hysteria?
 
RAIDER said:
Vince Massi said:
Comical side note here.

Word got around who were the best and worst teachers, and I realized something: the most incompetent teacher was assigned Gospel of John. The most competent would get courses like Leviticus, Hebrews, and Ezekiel. Thank God I had already taken Gospel of John when they gave it to a new teacher. He piled on repetitive books of little value they had to read, explaining that graduates looked back and respected the hard teachers, not the easy ones.

Anyway, they had me speak to the youth group at my home church (I hadn't graduated yet) and I explained that to find the least competent teacher, find out who is teaching Gospel of John. I explained that it is not the book (They're all inspired) but the teacher that makes a Bible class good or bad. One Bob Jones student was also home on vacation, and he pitched a fit.

Two Sundays later, at FBCH, Brother Hyles got up and blasted the doctrine that the most incompetent teacher gets Gospel of John. He announced that from now on, Joe Combs would teach it. I am not sure if he took over the next day or the next semester, but after that, they went back to giving it to the least competent teacher.
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What is your preferred brand of glue to sniff?
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NOT.................super.............glue. :-\
 
Well '98-'02 it was JS and Jeff Owens who were the famous Bible teachers on campus. Everyone wanted their classes.
I don't have very many fond memories of any classes at HAC, most "teachers" barely deserved the title.
Darryl Whitehouse was a decent history teacher and seemed like a good guy.
Troy Blackwell, Matt Millen, Carl Laurent, Jojo Moffit, Mrs. Evans, classes were all a joke.
I had Bob Auclair for an English class and it was ridiculous. Not only was he clearly not qualified to teach college level English, he barely showed up for class.

Troy Blackwell had the famous final exam which was 1 question - What did you learn in my class this semester? (The class was Daniel and Revelation)

Larry Smith was a very poor teacher. Every year he taught Personal Evangelism in 1st semester to all the freshman. But the college had a rule when I was there that if you got a certain number of offenses you had to re-take Personal Evangelism the next semester. (I ended up taking Personal Evangelism at least 6 times). Bob Hooker always taught it the 2nd semester and he was much more educational. I'm not sure that either class really dealt with the subject matter but at least Bob Hooker taught life - I just wish his General Psychology class had dealt with psychology at all.
 
I know that we make fun of Church Ed quite often, but during my freshman year I actually did learn quite a bit.
 
Did any of you talk to Hyles, Schapp, Evans, or Young about the useless or poorly taught class you were required to take? If so how did that work out for you.

It's my understanding not much has changed.
 
sword said:
Did any of you talk to Hyles, Schapp, Evans, or Young about the useless or poorly taught class you were required to take? If so how did that work out for you.

It's my understanding not much has changed.
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I gave everyone but Bro.Hyles feedback.  He didn't appear to be involved with the College to me.

I dont think they cared, but they acted interested.
 
sword said:
Did any of you talk to Hyles, Schapp, Evans, or Young about the useless or poorly taught class you were required to take? If so how did that work out for you.

It's my understanding not much has changed.
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Took  a Homiletics class from Schaap and told him there was no way I was preaching on the street or in a bar. I remember stopping on the way back from Purdue with Schaap and another guy and that guy went into the bar and preached. not me. Schaap told me I would not pass the class unless I did. I didn't. I got a C.
 
deertracks said:
sword said:
Did any of you talk to Hyles, Schapp, Evans, or Young about the useless or poorly taught class you were required to take? If so how did that work out for you.

It's my understanding not much has changed.
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Took  a Homiletics class from Schaap and told him there was no way I was preaching on the street or in a bar. I remember stopping on the way back from Purdue with Schaap and another guy and that guy went into the bar and preached. not me. Schaap told me I would not pass the class unless I did. I didn't. I got a C.
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Which tells me that he always was a nut-case. You should be proud of that C.
 
As a female student, I had heard Schaap's name mentioned in hushed tones as if he were Brad Pitt or George Clooney.  He was revered as some sort of super star teacher.  I don't know if it was because of his personality or relationship to The Great Dr. Hyles.  I didn't know him from Adam when I arrived but was quickly educated as to the Who's Who. 

I have to say looking back over 20 years later, I really liked Bro. Grady.  He wasn't afraid of the machine, he said what he felt was the truth, and he always treated me as a real person, not an empty glass to fill with his ideals. 
 
Fun1 said:
As a female student, I had heard Schaap's name mentioned in hushed tones as if he were Brad Pitt or George Clooney.  He was revered as some sort of super star teacher.  I don't know if it was because of his personality or relationship to The Great Dr. Hyles.  I didn't know him from Adam when I arrived but was quickly educated as to the Who's Who. 

I have to say looking back over 20 years later, I really liked Bro. Grady.  He wasn't afraid of the machine, he said what he felt was the truth, and he always treated me as a real person, not an empty glass to fill with his ideals.
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Were you still there in 93-94?
Cuz I took a class with Grady every senester, just to here something other than Roger-Worship, or Hyles-Worship.
 
When I was there (back when Carter was the national president) the test in church ed drove everyone crazy. It was conducted everyday, with lectures of long lists lasting too long, then every couple of weeks a test made up by the class secretary was given.

I understand the why of tests in a school but in that class it was all about the practical side of ministry. For those serious about future ministry, the notes would became more valuable when we entered our ministries than during our time on school.

Sadly, because it was taught by Davey-boy, I threw most of his stuff away...................I didn't want my ministry to be tainted with a hint of his memory. What a stinkin' waste of time for those concerned with making a difference in the lives of others rather than Davey's MO of using others for his devious purposes.
 
deertracks said:
Took  a Homiletics class from Schaap and told him there was no way I was preaching on the street or in a bar. I remember stopping on the way back from Purdue with Schaap and another guy and that guy went into the bar and preached. not me. Schaap told me I would not pass the class unless I did. I didn't. I got a C.
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I also took that class with JS, it was called "Preaching 1".  What an utter disappointment I remember sensing when we were given scant information on how to construct a sermon outline, how to develop the truth found in the texts, etc.  I even distinctly remembering JS saying that as newer pastors/preachers our sermons would need more scripture references than those used by more seasoned preachers like him or JH.  The class IMHO was not much more than an ego stroke for whatever "instructor" showed up for that day.
 
Bobby Ross said:
deertracks said:
Took  a Homiletics class from Schaap and told him there was no way I was preaching on the street or in a bar. I remember stopping on the way back from Purdue with Schaap and another guy and that guy went into the bar and preached. not me. Schaap told me I would not pass the class unless I did. I didn't. I got a C.
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I also took that class with JS, it was called "Preaching 1".  What an utter disappointment I remember sensing when we were given scant information on how to construct a sermon outline, how to develop the truth found in the texts, etc.  I even distinctly remembering JS saying that as newer pastors/preachers our sermons would need more scripture references than those used by more seasoned preachers like him or JH.  The class IMHO was not much more than an ego stroke for whatever "instructor" showed up for that day.
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I don't remember much from that class, except I did "man up" and preached on the street, in the park, in the bar (I preached in a bar in Chesterton.  When I wrote my paper I told him I picked that bar because of the number of Fairhaven students who went there.  Got a good grade), to my wife, etc.

I remember once we were all bantering with Schaap (at that time, he was sorta fun) and he was trying to nail me on something.  My reply, "Oh yeah?  At least I don't buy my clothes in the boys department at JC Penny."  (He was pretty small)  He had no comeback for that.  Good times.
 
IFB X-Files said:
Bobby Ross said:
deertracks said:
Took  a Homiletics class from Schaap and told him there was no way I was preaching on the street or in a bar. I remember stopping on the way back from Purdue with Schaap and another guy and that guy went into the bar and preached. not me. Schaap told me I would not pass the class unless I did. I didn't. I got a C.
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I also took that class with JS, it was called "Preaching 1".  What an utter disappointment I remember sensing when we were given scant information on how to construct a sermon outline, how to develop the truth found in the texts, etc.  I even distinctly remembering JS saying that as newer pastors/preachers our sermons would need more scripture references than those used by more seasoned preachers like him or JH.  The class IMHO was not much more than an ego stroke for whatever "instructor" showed up for that day.
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I don't remember much from that class, except I did "man up" and preached on the street, in the park, in the bar (I preached in a bar in Chesterton.  When I wrote my paper I told him I picked that bar because of the number of Fairhaven students who went there.  Got a good grade), to my wife, etc.

I remember once we were all bantering with Schaap (at that time, he was sorta fun) and he was trying to nail me on something.  My reply, "Oh yeah?  At least I don't buy my clothes in the boys department at JC Penny?"  (He was pretty small)  He had no comeback for that.  Good times.
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Snort!  You got cajonies my green headed friend!
 
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