Do you think there should be a probationary period before baptism?

[Ironman]

It all depends on the person and the situation.  For example in some areas they have to wait until the ice melts in the lake.  In some cultures like Catholicism there needs to be instruction to make sure the person is saved and understands.  Some churches Baptize too many people so they can brag and end up with a lot of so called Christians who are not truly saved and have terrible testimonies.  If you understand the local church, water baptism makes a person a member as spirit baptism puts them into Christ.  You want to be careful who becomes a member of your church as they can bring in Rock n'Roll and vote to remove a good pastor because he preaches agains their sin.

Sounds good , too bad it isn't biblical.

Yes it is.  Read the Bible

Don't be an idiot.

Good advice.  I have one for you also.  Dont be ignorant.

And why would you warn me not to be ignorant? What do you perceive that I am ignorant of?  Surely not the Bible.  You don't really think that the Bible includes some verse that clearly condemns rock and roll music?

Of all that I wrote you zeroed in on Rock n'Roll?  People do not like it when their idols are attacked.

 

[Ironman]

It all depends on the person and the situation.  For example in some areas they have to wait until the ice melts in the lake.  In some cultures like Catholicism there needs to be instruction to make sure the person is saved and understands.  Some churches Baptize too many people so they can brag and end up with a lot of so called Christians who are not truly saved and have terrible testimonies.  If you understand the local church, water baptism makes a person a member as spirit baptism puts them into Christ.  You want to be careful who becomes a member of your church as they can bring in Rock n'Roll and vote to remove a good pastor because he preaches agains their sin.

Sounds good , too bad it isn't biblical.

Yes it is.  Read the Bible

Don't be an idiot.

Good advice.  I have one for you also.  Dont be ignorant.

And why would you warn me not to be ignorant? What do you perceive that I am ignorant of?  Surely not the Bible.  You don't really think that the Bible includes some verse that clearly condemns rock and roll music?

Of all that I wrote you zeroed in on Rock n'Roll?  No one likes their idol to be attacked.

Ok, then, let's take the only other statement that you could even possibly think that you can defend from the Bible.

Show me where you can prove that water baptism makes a person a member of a church.

Like I said, don't be an idiot.

Do you know what water baptism represents?  Do you know what the local church represents?  Do you know the difference between the local church and the universal church?  The body of Christ? 

Like I said, don't be ignorant.

 

[Winston]

Do you know what water baptism represents?  Do you know what the local church represents?  Do you know the difference between the local church and the universal church?  The body of Christ? 

Like I said, don't be ignorant.

Answer my question.

Can you show me where you can prove that water baptism makes a person a member of a church?

 

[Ironman]

Do you know what water baptism represents?  Do you know what the local church represents?  Do you know the difference between the local church and the universal church?  The body of Christ? 

Like I said, don't be ignorant.

Answer my question.

Can you show me where you can prove that water baptism makes a person a member of a church?

Just as Spirit baptism (1 Corinthians 12:13) adds believers in our Lord Jesus Christ to the Church which is His body, so water baptism is the means by which believers are publicly inducted into discipleship (Matthew 28:19-20) and added to the local church.

The New Testament teaches the following order of events: people heard the message regarding Christ, responded in saving faith, were baptized and united with the local body of believers (cf. Acts 2:41-41, 47).

Can you show me in the Bible where it says Rock n'Roll is not sin? 

 

[Winston]

Do you know what water baptism represents?  Do you know what the local church represents?  Do you know the difference between the local church and the universal church?  The body of Christ? 

Like I said, don't be ignorant.

Answer my question.

Can you show me where you can prove that water baptism makes a person a member of a church?

Just as Spirit baptism (1 Corinthians 12:13) adds believers in our Lord Jesus Christ to the Church which is His body, so water baptism is the means by which believers are publicly inducted into discipleship (Matthew 28:19-20) and added to the local church.

The New Testament teaches the following order of events: people heard the message regarding Christ, responded in saving faith, were baptized and united with the local body of believers (cf. Acts 2:41-41, 47).

Can you show me in the Bible where it says Rock n'Roll is not sin?

You didn't prove anything. You stated what you think is a valid comparison between water baptism and spirit baptism.

Like I said, don't be an idiot.

 

[Ironman]

Do you know what water baptism represents?  Do you know what the local church represents?  Do you know the difference between the local church and the universal church?  The body of Christ? 

Like I said, don't be ignorant.

Answer my question.

Can you show me where you can prove that water baptism makes a person a member of a church?

Just as Spirit baptism (1 Corinthians 12:13) adds believers in our Lord Jesus Christ to the Church which is His body, so water baptism is the means by which believers are publicly inducted into discipleship (Matthew 28:19-20) and added to the local church.

The New Testament teaches the following order of events: people heard the message regarding Christ, responded in saving faith, were baptized and united with the local body of believers (cf. Acts 2:41-41, 47).

Can you show me in the Bible where it says Rock n'Roll is not sin?

You didn't prove anything. You stated what you think is a valid comparison between water baptism and spirit baptism.

Like I said, don't be an idiot.

At least I gave some verses.  Now try to defend your Rock n'Roll with the Bible! 

 

[Winston]

Do you know what water baptism represents?  Do you know what the local church represents?  Do you know the difference between the local church and the universal church?  The body of Christ? 

Like I said, don't be ignorant.

Answer my question.

Can you show me where you can prove that water baptism makes a person a member of a church?

Just as Spirit baptism (1 Corinthians 12:13) adds believers in our Lord Jesus Christ to the Church which is His body, so water baptism is the means by which believers are publicly inducted into discipleship (Matthew 28:19-20) and added to the local church.

The New Testament teaches the following order of events: people heard the message regarding Christ, responded in saving faith, were baptized and united with the local body of believers (cf. Acts 2:41-41, 47).

Can you show me in the Bible where it says Rock n'Roll is not sin?

You didn't prove anything. You stated what you think is a valid comparison between water baptism and spirit baptism.

Like I said, don't be an idiot.

At least I gave some verses.  Now try to defend your Rock n'Roll with the Bible!

You cut and pasted from this website.
http://www.new-testament-christian.com/ordinancebaptismandcommunion.html

Like I said, answer my question.  I don't have to prove anything to you.

You are acting the idiot. Don't.

 

[Izdaari]

I don't get how water baptism enrolls anyone in a particular 501c3 corporation. In the universal church, yes. In the universal church in a particular city, yes, so long as they live there. But in a particular congregation or denomination? No, not unless there's a written contract attached.

 

[Ironman]

[/quote]

You cut and pasted from this website.
http://www.new-testament-christian.com/ordinancebaptismandcommunion.html

Like I said, answer my question.  I don't have to prove anything to you.

You are acting the idiot. Don't.
[/quote]

You cut and pasted from this website.
http://www.new-testament-christian.com/ordinancebaptismandcommunion.html

Like I said, answer my question.  I don't have to prove anything to you.

You are acting the idiot. Don't.
[/quote

LOL, good tactic but just asking questions and calling names does not cut it with me.  Now try to prove your Rock n'Roll love with the Bible! 

Cut and paste?  Yea, my operating system OS X Lion allows that.  Does yours?

Also neither do I have to prove anything to you! 

 

[Winston]

I don't get how water baptism enrolls anyone in a particular 501c3 corporation. In the universal church, yes. In the universal church in a particular city, yes, so long as they live there. But in a particular congregation or denomination? No, not unless there's a written contract attached.

Well, Ironman does, and a simple cut and paste solves his problem of not being able to defend it. *sarcasm button switched to off position*

 

[Ironman]

I don't get how water baptism enrolls anyone in a particular 501c3 corporation. In the universal church, yes. In the universal church in a particular city, yes, so long as they live there. But in a particular congregation or denomination? No, not unless there's a written contract attached.

Well, Ironman does, and a simple cut and paste solves his problem of not being able to defend it. *sarcasm button switched to off position*

So you both think the local church doctrine is a man made doctrine?

Also, you need to learn to cut and paste as it might help your non existent defense of Rock n'Roll.

 

[Izdaari]

I don't get how water baptism enrolls anyone in a particular 501c3 corporation. In the universal church, yes. In the universal church in a particular city, yes, so long as they live there. But in a particular congregation or denomination? No, not unless there's a written contract attached.

Well, Ironman does, and a simple cut and paste solves his problem of not being able to defend it. *sarcasm button switched to off position*

So you both think the local church doctrine is a man made doctrine?

Also, you need to learn to cut and paste as it might help your non existent defense of Rock n'Roll.

What local church doctrine is that? Some IFB thing that I'm unfamiliar with, never having been IFB?

Defend rock 'n' roll? I may as well try to defend Ben & Jerry's Chunky Monkey (real banana with chunks of dark chocolate) as the best ice cream. I think it's wonderful, but I don't expect everyone else will like it as much as I do. And if someone were to say it's awful, and no one should eat it? I think that person would be a silly goose, but you can't really argue with matters of taste.

 

[Ironman]

I don't get how water baptism enrolls anyone in a particular 501c3 corporation. In the universal church, yes. In the universal church in a particular city, yes, so long as they live there. But in a particular congregation or denomination? No, not unless there's a written contract attached.

Well, Ironman does, and a simple cut and paste solves his problem of not being able to defend it. *sarcasm button switched to off position*

Since you are not a Baptist you probably do not have Baptist doctrine. 
So you both think the local church doctrine is a man made doctrine?

Also, you need to learn to cut and paste as it might help your non existent defense of Rock n'Roll.

What local church doctrine is that? Some IFB thing that I'm unfamiliar with, never having been IFB?

Defend rock 'n' roll? I may as well try to defend Ben & Jerry's Chunky Monkey (real banana with chunks of dark chocolate) as the best ice cream. I think it's wonderful, but I don't expect everyone else will like it as much as I do. And if someone were to say it's awful, and no one should eat it? I think that person would be a silly goose, but you can't really argue with matters of taste.

 

[OZZY]

It all depends on the person and the situation.  For example in some areas they have to wait until the ice melts in the lake.  In some cultures like Catholicism there needs to be instruction to make sure the person is saved and understands.  Some churches Baptize too many people so they can brag and end up with a lot of so called Christians who are not truly saved and have terrible testimonies.  If you understand the local church, water baptism makes a person a member as spirit baptism puts them into Christ.  You want to be careful who becomes a member of your church as they can bring in Rock n'Roll and vote to remove a good pastor because he preaches agains their sin.

Chapter and verse please where ANYONE in the bible had a probation period before they were baptized.
Sounds good , too bad it isn't biblical.

Yes it is.  Read the Bible

Reading it is good, adding to it is BAD

 

[Winston]

I don't get how water baptism enrolls anyone in a particular 501c3 corporation. In the universal church, yes. In the universal church in a particular city, yes, so long as they live there. But in a particular congregation or denomination? No, not unless there's a written contract attached.

Well, Ironman does, and a simple cut and paste solves his problem of not being able to defend it. *sarcasm button switched to off position*

So you both think the local church doctrine is a man made doctrine?

Also, you need to learn to cut and paste as it might help your non existent defense of Rock n'Roll.

No. Did I say that? I said that your doctrine that "Baptism by water is what makes you a member of the local church" is man-made.

Stop being an idiot and prove to me that water baptism is what makes you a church member.

And don't tell me I am not a baptist.  You don't know what I am.

 

[Izdaari]

No. Did I say that? I said that your doctrine that "Baptism by water is what makes you a member of the local church" is man-made.

I think so too. It's not in any Scripture that I can find. It's not even in any church tradition that I know.

Stop being an idiot and prove to me that water baptism is what makes you a church member.

I'm waiting for that too.

And don't tell me I am not a baptist.  You don't know what I am.

He may have been addressing me on that one. I'm an Assemblies of God member.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Izdaari]I don't get how water baptism enrolls anyone in a particular 501c3 corporation. In the universal church, yes. In the universal church in a particular city, yes, so long as they live there. But in a particular congregation or denomination? No, not unless there's a written contract attached....

What local church doctrine is that? Some IFB thing that I'm unfamiliar with, never having been IFB?[/quote]

What does your statement about a 5013c have to do with the Scriptural definition of a church?  And the notion of church membership via baptism is not some johnny-come-lately IFB doctrine.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Winston]
No. Did I say that? I said that your doctrine that "Baptism by water is what makes you a member of the local church" is man-made.

Stop being an idiot and prove to me that water baptism is what makes you a church member.

[/quote]


Do you believe there is Scriptural warrant or any Biblical evidence supporting the concept of church membership (other than universal membership)?

 

[Reformed Guy]

Do you think there should be a probationary period before baptism?

It's a good rule of thumb to wait until the child is born to baptize it.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Do you think there should be a probationary period before baptism?

It's a good rule of thumb to wait until the child is born to baptize it.

Speaking of baptism into the church (in strolls the paedo dude).