Different Response from Different Group

Why do Christians shoot their wounded?

Because they know nothing about the grace and mercy they themselves have been shown.

If anyone has reason to grind us to powder because of our sin, it would be God Himself. Just think... Where would we be if God handled others the way we do? Of course, we want mercy for ourselves but demand judgement for others.
 
of course, not just the IFB has these issues with sexual scandal. But why do other denominations respond with sorrow and hopes for restoration while the IFB responds with hatred, bitterness, vitriol and an abandonment of the faith?

Because JH was what? No. Never proven, but oft articulated are the rumors of an affair.

Is it because these other denominational leaders turned themselves in and repented? No. They were discovered and presented with undeniable evidence and then went silent and crept off into the shadows.

What is the difference? Why do the IFB people go nuts and still talk about things from 50+ years ago as a source of bitterness and anger while other denominations forgive the person and pray for their restoration?
One difference is Independent Fundamental Baptists have had a tendency to exalt the pastor above criticism. Jack Hyles was not a man of God. He covered up his son’s perverted lifestyle and foisted Dave Hyles upon unsuspecting churches to prey upon them. He was a braggadocious gas bag who always cast himself as the hero in practically every sermon he ever preached. He made a mockery of repentance which could be why he believed anyone who said a prayer and made a “profession” was saved in spite of whatever wicked lifestyle that person lived (cf. 1 Cor 6:9-11). He agreed with Curtis Hutson who took the word “repentance” out of all the Sword of the Lord Hymnbooks. His church refused to remove Hyles from his leadership position unlike the case with Steve Lawson.

Bob Gray (Jacksonville, FL) preached at the Independent Fundamental Baptist church I was attending just a few months before he was arrested. He had been molesting children since 1949 with no signs of repentance (he was part of the no repentance crowd). Gray’s church sent him as a missionary to Germany to cover up his ongoing abuse of children; there was 400 pages of sworn depositions from alleged victims. The current pastor at Trinity Baptist was part of the cover up of Gray’s ungodly lifestyle. After his arrest my pastor told everyone in the church to keep quiet about what happened because Bob Gray was a “man of God.” David sinned but was constantly in a state of true repentance unlike many who today claim to be “saved.”

I was listening to Erwin Lutzer not long ago where he gave an illustration. He said which wing of an airplane is necessary for it to fly, the left wing or the right wing. The answer was of course, a plane can’t fly without both, a left wing and a right wing. The same comes to salvation. You can’t have salvation without repentance and faith contrary to what many Independent Fundamental Baptists teach. They say Jesus didn’t mention repentance in the Gospel of John but totally go blank on the fact that Jesus said, “Repent and believe the gospel (Mark 1:15). In Matthew 11:21-24 Jesus warned the cities of Chorazin and Bethsaida of coming judgment. He said if the mighty works done there had been done in Tyre and Sidon they would have repented (of their wickedness) long ago. If John MacArthur and all the other ministries associated with Steven Lawson had tried to cover up his deeds, they should have been called out also.

1Tim 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
1Tim 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
 
So your premise is that in the IFB, people have held up the Preacher as a god and therefore the fallout brings more anger?
More or less what I meant, yes. Your next post summarized the general idea. There's a whole cult of personality built around various mogs, so when they fall, the disillusionment is proportionally greater.
 
More or less what I meant, yes. Your next post summarized the general idea. There's a whole cult of personality built around various mogs, so when they fall, the disillusionment is proportionally greater.
When the Scriptures are ignored by a certain pastor and he is allowed to be inflated, when he is finally deflated, can we expect his followers to respond in a scriptural manner?
 
No, I did not read the comments, but the article didn't engage in "name-calling". And no, I don't know or care who the author is. I don't even know who you are.
And by such hyper literalist interpretation of my words I could ask you “where I said that name-calling is found within the body of the article“? By not caring who the author is it shows you don’t want any detailed explanation which might answer the OP. Roy’s has made it a living of exploiting “abusive” male leadership in various strains of patriarchal evangelical denoms. Moral the story, like I said, is there’s plenty of shooting their own wounded in all stripes of Christian sects.
 
I know Billy Graham has been involved in controversies during his life. He made a very heretical statement one time while talking to Robert Schuller concerning those who have never heard the gospel and many have used that one statement to prove he wasn't a true Christian. That didn't define his ministry though and even those who disagreed with his invitations must admit that he presented the gospel clearly and unequivocally with the message that Jesus Christ was the only way to God through repentance and faith. He had no moral scandals as far as I know. I would take Billy Graham over Jack Hyles in a heartbeat. This is one of the last messages he gave to America before he passed away.

 
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The OP subject is adultery. What "unbiblical standard" is anyone holding? Now if the OP was "pants on women", you are on track.

I am aware of the OP’s subject.
The Old line IFB's held a number of unbiblical or extra biblical standards, so reacting in an unbiblical manner when any standard is broken simply keeps to their pattern.
 
of course, not just the IFB has these issues with sexual scandal. But why do other denominations respond with sorrow and hopes for restoration while the IFB responds with hatred, bitterness, vitriol and an abandonment of the faith?
They don't always. However, my personal opinion is that the average old line Fundy is shallow, believes in a small God, and has not read widely in Christian literature, and is therefore not well suited to taking in sinners who have been in leadership and working toward restoration. It is a long arduous process. IFB want results now, and walking with someone over that long hard road is not in their orb. SO, I won't accuse anyone of being a big chicken, but fear of being labeled soft on sin, or a progressive liberal leads to loud denunciations with no intent to follow up.

When my failure happened, three men reached out. Out of the dozens in the local seminary I had just graduated from, the dozen or so professors, and the 15-20 pastors I knew fairly well, 3. ONe was a professor, one was a pastor and one was a fellow student who is today a Baptist Pastor, and we are still friends. They each took a lot of time and energy to helping me get going in the right direction. It is hard work. I have a long story I'd like to tell one day.
 
I believe that when you hold as paramount many unbiblical standards, and they are openly broken by a leader, your response tends to be unbiblical.
Prohabition of adultry, child sexualt or physical abuse, statatory rape, larcency, embezzlement of church funds, and so on are all biblical and in most cases legal standards.
 
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Actually, it's not the IFB crowd that is so harsh, it is those who have left the IFB crowd who are the most harsh.
 
Actually, it's not the IFB crowd that is so harsh, it is those who have left the IFB crowd who are the most harsh.
I think you are partially true. Not all of those who left but those who feel they were ‘victimized’ are often harsh and bitter.
 
Actually, it's not the IFB crowd that is so harsh, it is those who have left the IFB crowd who are the most harsh.
It is still a matter that is very much on my mind. Had it been some false teacher like Furtick or Andy Stanley, my reaction would likely have been "Yeah, figures as much!" If it were someone in the IFB crowd, I may have been guilty of the sin of gloating.

Both of these reactions would be very, very wrong! Instead, it was the person who would have been the first one coming to mind if someone asked me about the most influential of speakers!

As far as this lost world is concerned, it matters little whether it was Billy Graham or Jim Jones! Such always gives great occasion for the enemies of God to blaspheme! We need to remember this.
 
No, I did not read the comments, but the article didn't engage in "name-calling". And no, I don't know or care who the author is. I don't even know who you are.
You truly are a turd in a tank, aren't you? ;)
 
Have you ever heard the phrase “why do Christians shoot their wounded”? It is not just IFB for which that phrase was coined. Besides that, did you read the comments to the article? That’s where you really get to see the pulse of followers of a sect or denomination. And do you know who the author of the article is, or what she’s famous for?
Yes, I know MANY who have used that phrase, and yet I don't find many IFB pastors who would agree with it. I know many who have been "shot" by the IFB and the SBC, myself among them. It's one thing that I have seen that has driven many people who have led strong Christian lives and had great testimony in the congregation of Christ who made an error. It's a sad situation.
 
Have you ever heard the phrase “why do Christians shoot their wounded”? It is not just IFB for which that phrase was coined. Besides that, did you read the comments to the article? That’s where you really get to see the pulse of followers of a sect or denomination. And do you know who the author of the article is, or what she’s famous for?
I'm not a she. So you might not know what I am famous for either.
 
Steven Lawson is a gifted preacher and teacher. He is significant, and his loss is a blow to the preaching profession, but he is not irreplaceable.

Pastor Dr. IFB is the mannagawd. Touch not God's anointed, and all that, amen?

The bigger they come, the harder they fall.
Touch not the anointed they are men that may know God
 
The old line IFB’s were praised for holding the line on standards and ‘hard preaching’.
That they respond harshly to those who ‘fall from legalism’ is not unexpected.
 
Steven Lawson was just removed as pastor of Trinity Bible Church (a megachurch) in Dallas. He was a Fellow at Ligonier Ministries, Professor of Preaching and Dean of Doctor of Ministry at The Master's Seminary, Executive Editor of Expositor magazine, on the board of Master's University and Seminary, Ligonier Ministries and Reformation Bible College and authored 28 books. He was a leader among Calvinist Reformed Southern Baptists.

Dr. Lawson was removed from his position because, at 73 years old, he was having an "inappropriate" relationship with another woman.

I have seen scores of posts about it. This man was a leader and hero to thousands of pastors. All of the posts I have seen talk about how sad this is and how this could happen to anyone and how we all need to be careful and not fall to temptation. The posts all speak of God's restoration available for all. None of them are asking for more information or calling him names or talking about what a fraud he is or how all of religion must be false because their leader fell.

Why is it the IFB responds so differently?
Typically, is seems, when something happens in the IFB it has to do with under age girls or boys.
 
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