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Vince Massi

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Before the college opened, Al Waddel, who had pastored a small Calvinist church, was a bus mechanic at FBCH. He told me personally that Jim Vineyard grabbed him by the throat and threw him against a wall for refusing to let an unsafe bus go out on the road. Waddel stormed over to Hyles and told him he would not go back to Vineyard, so Jack asked him to be a college teacher.

Nobody saw the need to go to the pólice, but Jim's action did constitute violent crime.
 
If he was old enough to be a pastor, he was old enough to go to the police on his own if this occurred....

Otherwise, just sounds like someone's sermon illustration.
 
I was in the opening class. Nothing in the literature I had received said that the college was unaccredited. It wasn't a well-publicized issue at the time--I thought that any college credits would transfer to any other college. They had printed out catalogues, information brochures, ads in Christian publications, etc., and never announced that they were unaccredited.

The doors hadn't even opened, and deceit was already a solid part of the college.
 
Vince Massi said:
I was in the opening class. Nothing in the literature I had received said that the college was unaccredited. It wasn't a well-publicized issue at the time--I thought that any college credits would transfer to any other college. They had printed out catalogues, information brochures, ads in Christian publications, etc., and never announced that they were unaccredited.

The doors hadn't even opened, and deceit was already a solid part of the college.
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If you go to a IFB college and don't check to see if it is accredited, you probably need to get your head out of the sand.  I don't think "deceit" had anything to do with it.
 
RAIDER said:
Vince Massi said:
I was in the opening class. Nothing in the literature I had received said that the college was unaccredited. It wasn't a well-publicized issue at the time--I thought that any college credits would transfer to any other college. They had printed out catalogues, information brochures, ads in Christian publications, etc., and never announced that they were unaccredited.

The doors hadn't even opened, and deceit was already a solid part of the college.
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If you go to a IFB college and don't check to see if it is accredited, you probably need to get your head out of the sand.  I don't think "deceit" had anything to do with it.
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You beat me to it....

The only thing worse than someone not doing research before giving an institution thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars, is blaming their failure of research on the institution. This is not directed solely at the OP, but so many people claim the same and all I see is a dunce cap on their head.

Caveat emptor!
 
Sorry, Raider, but God has blessed me. At the time, accreditation was an unheard-of issue. It never came up. In the second or third year, they told us that our graduates couldn't teach in public schools, and that had never been our goal. But they didn't tell us that in the literature. I was teaching college for Jim Vineyard when a profesor at a state university explained accreditation to me. I graduated from a private college prep high school for advanced students, and it never came up. Accreditation was just not an issue, and HAC didn't tell people about it until they were forced to.
 
Vince Massi said:
Sorry, Raider, but God has blessed me.
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Why would I be sorry that God has blessed you?
 
RAIDER said:
Vince Massi said:
I was in the opening class. Nothing in the literature I had received said that the college was unaccredited. It wasn't a well-publicized issue at the time--I thought that any college credits would transfer to any other college. They had printed out catalogues, information brochures, ads in Christian publications, etc., and never announced that they were unaccredited.

The doors hadn't even opened, and deceit was already a solid part of the college.
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If you go to a IFB college and don't check to see if it is accredited, you probably need to get your head out of the sand.  I don't think "deceit" had anything to do with it.
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Deceit would be saying a place is accredited when it isn't.
I don't carry water for Hammond, but to be fair, not saying you are not accredited is not deceit.
 
Has anyone returned their degree?
 
Sherryh said:
Has anyone returned their degree?
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I haven't but I have offered to. I wrote a letter to js telling him that we had to take tests and classes regarding what an independent baptist church was and their views on the kjb. I said that if that was no longer true then they owed me a refund for all of my college tuition and I would in turn, send them my diploma.

JH used to preach that if you no longer believed what you had been taught at hac then to at least be honest and send back your diploma. I thought that if they are the ones who no longer believe what they used to teach then the same rule should apply. I am still waiting for my check. :o
 
Balaam, I do remember that we had to promise to return our ordination papers if we ever departed from the doctrines of FBCH. Fortunately, CW Fisk, who had more door-to-door converts baptized than anyone else alive, did not accept easy Believism, so I'm safe.
 
Vince Massi said:
Balaam, I do remember that we had to promise to return our ordination papers if we ever departed from the doctrines of FBCH. Fortunately, CW Fisk, who had more door-to-door converts baptized than anyone else alive, did not accept easy Believism, so I'm safe.
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I wonder how numbers would compare with CW Fisk and George Godfrey?  While teaching at HAC, not a Sunday went by where GG wouldn't have a convert seated with him in church and would get baptized at the end of the service. 

I, too, wonder if Fisk and Godfrey are still soulwinning as they did decades ago at FBC.  Both are strong soulwinners!  I know that Fisk is at Gomez's church and I'd assume that he diligently goes and tries to reach converts.
 
Vineyard's Gangsters were in full swing when Dr. Evans announced in chapel that HAC was giving out eight Who's Who Awards for academic excellence. Evans then sneered that we weren't known for our academics, but for our soul-winning, so they were going to give the awards to students who represented the ideals of HAC. We sat and watched as some of the ungodliest students who ever disgraced HAC were brought up to receive awards they hadn't earned. Some were members of Vineyard's Gangsters. One had earned the nickname "Foulmouth" from his fellow students. Some were later expelled, some are pastoring today and will have nothing to do with HAC, and one has spent decades on Christian forums lying that the Vineyard's Gangsters incidents never took place.

Of the eight students who actually earned the awards, I knew of one other besides myself who was taking a strong stand against the gang violence at the college. I wasn't interested in the award, although I was pretty upset about the lying. But God was blessing my service there, Jack was still preaching great sermons, and I was still growing spiritually, so I ignored what should have been a major warning sign.
 
Tell who the 8 students are...my yearbooks are packed away...
 
Sherryh said:
Tell who the 8 students are...my yearbooks are packed away...
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Exactly!  Every HAC yearbook had pictures of the Who's Who list.
 
A group of students at the Chicago UPS had been picking on another student who wasn't anything as a fighter. They offered to take him out to eat and left him stranded several miles from the campus. Okay, no problem. The rulebook said 50 demerits for inappropriate practical joke (100 demerits was expulsión) and the problem was solved.

But these bullies were successful bus workers. When you're teaching people that the size of your bus route is a measure of your spirituality, you are going to have to protect them from the truth. Jim Vineyard demanded that he  be put in charge. He chewed out the victim, accusing him of sexual deviancy. The bullies began attacking and threatening other students. The Roadway Gang spread into other áreas, and the violent gangs on campus were collectively called "Vineyard's Gangsters." Over time, they would beat up two security guards, threaten several students (including me) in their dorms, and later drag their first victim into a car and after threatening several times to kill him, drop him off a second time. And they got away with every single incident.

Folks, Hyles-Anderson College was lying when they said that they had Christian standards. The disgrace of having violent gangs that operated with the authority and protection of the administration is inexcusable.
 
Vince, why would you then, after that, have gone to work for Vineyard at OBC?
 
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Vince, why would you then, after that, have gone to work for Vineyard at OBC?
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Believe it or not, Just Me, I got reconciled to Jim. God clearly told me that Jim was going to ask me to work for him, and he did. And hang onto your seatbelts, Folks. I quit on Vineyard on good terms, and he gave me a recommendation.
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