Current State of HAC

[DrHuk&Duck]

My wife and I also worked our way through colleges with very little financial assistance, but the cost of higher education is astronomically higher today. In fact, I recall around the time I graduated in early 2000s, tuition almost doubled from just when I started. Here’s a chart that shows tuition inflation vs normal inflation from 1980 to 2020 (probably worse now).

 

[IFB X-Files]

My wife and I also worked our way through colleges with very little financial assistance, but the cost of higher education is astronomically higher today. In fact, I recall around the time I graduated in early 2000s, tuition almost doubled from just when I started. Here’s a chart that shows tuition inflation vs normal inflation from 1980 to 2020 (probably worse now).View attachment 6449

The Feds loan programs are partly to blame for this. Get the Feds out of the loan business and watch those prices drop.

 

[Bob Jones VI]

This is true, and that is why I am so thankful that Arno Weniger helped bring other professions into the college at Maranatha. Over the years the enrollment grew, and they became a fully accredited university. I'm waiting to see if HAC will do this as well.

When I was there at MBBC in 92-95, John Brock was in charge of the school under Weniger. He had an actual PhD from Oregon State I think. he had people with real degrees, Accounting, Pre-engineering, Nursing. And the graduate school was not ingrown. I am thinking of HAC and Northland and BJU where a majority of the profs had degrees for the same school. I have moved awy from Fundamentalism, am a Reformed Baptist, but can say that I genuinely got a very good education at Maranatha.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

The Feds loan programs are partly to blame for this. Get the Feds out of the loan business and watch those prices drop.

That might be the case…I really never researched it, but I definitely saw the prices rising in person.

 

[Justice1976]

I was putting my youngest through college in 2009. I saw first hand how that the universities seemingly never got the memo that the economy was in a serious downturn, Tuition just kept increasing by leaps and bounds.

I do believe that if the universities had some skin in the game of ensuring their students' graduation rates, it might improve. Just arranging loans that serve as an anchor around the necks of these people for years, even decades, to come seems a good deal for colleges and a raw deal for many of the students. I highly encourage a lot of young people to take more practical approaches to their lives.

Learning electrical or plumbing and entering the job market young, making a good wage with no debt seems a much better plan for those who are not cut out for a STEM curriculum.

My two cents.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

As a side note, when I said both my wife and I put ourselves through undergrad with no loans and very little assistance, I should add we both attended state universities. We could never have done that without loans for these pricey private colleges.

Even Pensacola Christian College is about double the cost of state university tuition in Florida, and PCC is about the most affordable Christian college I know of.

 

[Justice1976]

As a side note, when I said both my wife and I put ourselves through undergrad with no loans and very little assistance, I should add we both attended state universities. We could never have done that without loans for these pricey private colleges.

Even Pensacola Christian College is about double the cost of state university tuition in Florida, and PCC is about the most affordable Christian college I know of.

When I went to HAC (76-81) I worked at the Union Tank Car Company in East Chicago. I made a very good wage. Because tuition was reasonable and I was earning well, I paid for my college and when I left, I didn't owe anything.

I think that it's a shame today that no matter how motivated a student may be there is NO WAY that they can ever hope to pay for full time tuition. That's a shame.

 

[AverageJoe]

When I was there at MBBC in 92-95, John Brock was in charge of the school under Weniger. He had an actual PhD from Oregon State I think. he had people with real degrees, Accounting, Pre-engineering, Nursing. And the graduate school was not ingrown. I am thinking of HAC and Northland and BJU where a majority of the profs had degrees for the same school. I have moved awy from Fundamentalism, am a Reformed Baptist, but can say that I genuinely got a very good education at Maranatha.

In my opinion Weniger did the right thing by adding other programs to the school. There's a world out there where people love the Lord and Bible, but that work in professions that aren't "related to the Bible." I think you get my meaning.
I, too, have moved away from the traditional"fundamentalist" positions. I stand by Biblical standards without the man-made opinions added as gospel.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

Not really knowing anything about Hyles College other than some comments on this forum, I went to the college website and looked at what their current tuition is. I was shocked when I saw it’s only $2,500 a semester (https://hylesanderson.edu/financial-information/). I thought that seemed a little too good to be true, so I looked further into the website and discovered it’s not an accredited college (https://hylesanderson.edu/accreditation/).

I’m not bashing the college or saying they don’t provide a solid education because I honestly have no idea one way or the other, but I don’t think people can really compare paying out of pocket for a degree from an unaccredited college like this versus paying out of pocket for an accredited university like Liberty University that’s going to cost north of $40,000 yearly with room and board. Just my two cents….

 

[Jo]

My wife and I also worked our way through colleges with very little financial assistance, but the cost of higher education is astronomically higher today. In fact, I recall around the time I graduated in early 2000s, tuition almost doubled from just when I started. Here’s a chart that shows tuition inflation vs normal inflation from 1980 to 2020 (probably worse now).View attachment 6449

I just looked up the salaries of some public university presidents. No longer 6 figures, they've risen to 7 figures in some cases.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

My issue isn’t with the cost of state universities. The cost has gone up a lot for it, but state colleges are a fraction of the cost of private colleges. Here’s a link from PCC’s website with a cost comparison: https://www.pcci.edu/admissions/costs/

How does PCC compare to other colleges and universities?​

Four years at PCC gives you the highest quality at the most affordable price. Just compare and see for yourself. The cost for each college includes tuition, fees, room and board, estimated books and supplies, and estimated living expenses, and it subtracts the average grant and scholarship amounts that students receive.

PCC​

$62,676

BOB JONES​

$94,440

CEDARVILLE​

$124,872

LIBERTY​

$125,576

MARANATHA​

$127,264

 

[illinoisguy]

I just looked up the salaries of some public university presidents. No longer 6 figures, they've risen to 7 figures in some cases.

Not just public universities - check out the salaries at some Christian universities:

Danny Freeze, Head Football Coach, Liberty University - $3,833,429
Ritchie McKay, Head Basketball Coach, Liberty University - $1,463,960
Jerry Prevo, President, Liberty University - $,1,024,218
James Gash, President, Pepperdine University - $1,118,692
Jerry Davis, Chancellor, College of the Ozarks - $1,795,682

Top 10 Highest Paid Christian University/ College Employees (Number 4 Makes $3,833,429)

Ministry Watch has compiled a list of the top 100 highest-paid Christian college and university...

protestia.com

 

[4everfsu]

Not just public universities - check out the salaries at some Christian universities:

Danny Freeze, Head Football Coach, Liberty University - $3,833,429
Ritchie McKay, Head Basketball Coach, Liberty University - $1,463,960
Jerry Prevo, President, Liberty University - $,1,024,218
James Gash, President, Pepperdine University - $1,118,692
Jerry Davis, Chancellor, College of the Ozarks - $1,795,682

Top 10 Highest Paid Christian University/ College Employees (Number 4 Makes $3,833,429)

Ministry Watch has compiled a list of the top 100 highest-paid Christian college and university...

protestia.com

Freeze is not at Liberty, has not been there for years

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

In all fairness to the College of the Ozarks, they are tuition free. Student are required to work while attending school (including a couple weeks in the summer) in lieu of tuition. Now, good luck getting admitted. It’s about a 20% acceptance rate. Hard Work U. https://www.cofo.edu/Cost

 

[Jo]

Not just public universities - check out the salaries at some Christian universities:

Danny Freeze, Head Football Coach, Liberty University - $3,833,429
Ritchie McKay, Head Basketball Coach, Liberty University - $1,463,960
Jerry Prevo, President, Liberty University - $,1,024,218
James Gash, President, Pepperdine University - $1,118,692
Jerry Davis, Chancellor, College of the Ozarks - $1,795,682

Top 10 Highest Paid Christian University/ College Employees (Number 4 Makes $3,833,429)

Ministry Watch has compiled a list of the top 100 highest-paid Christian college and university...

protestia.com

Wow!! Almost $4 million dollars for Liberty's head football coach?!!

 

[Jo]

Freeze is not at Liberty, has not been there for years

Freeze, Liberty agree on 8-year deal through '30

Liberty and head coach Hugh Freeze have agreed to a new eight-year contract through the 2030 season, the school announced Friday.

www.espn.com

 

[ALAYMAN]

Freeze, Liberty agree on 8-year deal through '30

Liberty and head coach Hugh Freeze have agreed to a new eight-year contract through the 2030 season, the school announced Friday.

www.espn.com

Jamey Chadwell has been their head coach for a couple of years now. Freeze is now at Auburn. Chadwell makes about 4 million a year, so whether Freeze or Chadwell, Liberty has entered a different budgetary stratosphere than times gone by where they had been in that small pool of Fundy colleges.

 

[Jo]

Obviously, I don't follow much football.

 

[sword]

I worked for my tution when I was in college and worked summers when I was home. I had no debt that was 1975.

Most of us worked our way through college with no debt, but it's much harder now and the academic routines in some fields like Medicine, Nursing, Engneering, Accounting and the Sciences make it very difficult to work full time. It would also be very difficult to work enough hrs to pay the $38,000 a year national average tuition plus room & board for a state college. A degree (even useless ones) can run you $150,000 or more these days.

 

[Baptist Renegade]

For us, it really boils down to money. Our goal is to avoid any loans, or at least a very minimal amount of loans. Unfortunately, that means most Christian colleges are out of the question. PCC has a good accredited nursing school, so it’s either that or she’ll need to live at home and commute to state university. We also have a very good Catholic university near us that I’m considering, but she’d be a commuter there as well. If I could financially swing it, I’d send her to Liberty University…that’d be my first choice, or possibly Samford University in Alabama as a close second choice. Regardless, I just can’t swing $50,000 a year in tuition and room & board.

I hear you!

My daughter was able to take advantage of my Hazelwood benefits for Texas veterans. It pays tuition and fees at any Junior College and Texas State University. She went to Junior College for a few semesters and then transferred over to Stephen F Austin State University to complete her degree in Communications. Her mother was living up in Nacogdoches at the time so she stayed with her which saved a good bit of money. She ended up alright with a good head on her shoulders. The "Woke Worms" didn't eat into her brains too badly and we got most things sorted out now.

I would avoid debt at all cost! If you did have to finance anything, I'd strongly recommend a vocational or technical school where your daughter could first attain marketable skills that would get her hired and then take advantage of the "tuition reimbursment" programs that many employers offer these days. Seems to me she could get her LVN or even a CNA and get hired by a large hospital or medical group and from there, continue on with a BSN/RN. Something to think about anyway.

PCC is a little different though. Colleges like HAC and WCBC are strictly "Bible Colleges" specifically intended for ministry or Christian education and has little to no value outside of their "IFB World." PCC is actually a "Christian University" now offering degrees for secular occupations plus they are accredited as well.