City Considering "Do Not Knock List" to Keep Away Unwanted Solicitors

[FSSL]

[quote author=FSSL]
YOU claimed it was A biblical method. You still have no biblical evidence.... oh well. You are not the first or last Christian to proclaim a method is biblical with zero biblical support.

And you hold to that ignorant argument despite the reasonability that the "door to door" or "house to house" passages speak to evangelization in homes.
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Since there are still no "door-to-door" passages. Alayman ignores the reality that the apostles were ministering in the house churches of Christians (Acts 2:46).

Our modern "door-to-door" method is not rooted in the Bible. It is rooted in the "Fuller brush" sales marketing technique and carried on by the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons and Baptists.

 

[rsc2a]

Context is your friend....

"In every house" and "from house to house" takes on a completely different meaning when you consider the fact that the Church actually met in houses at this time. Consider:

Paul, a prisoner for Christ Jesus, and Timothy our brother, to Philemon our beloved fellow worker and Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house... Philemon 1:1-2

Apparently, context IS my friend.  The apostles were busy evangelizing all over Jerusalem: in the streets, in the temple and in every house:

Acts 5:15  Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. 
Acts 5:16  There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
Acts 5:20  Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life.
Acts 5:21  And when they heard that, they entered into the temple early in the morning, and taught. But the high priest came, and they that were with him, and called the council together, and all the senate of the children of Israel, and sent to the prison to have them brought.
Acts 5:25  Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people.

Yeah...those verses don't say what you think they do. If you want to go to church and preach, by all means, do so.

Acts 5:28  Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
Acts 5:42  And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

It would be quite a stretch to claim that there was a church in every house in Jerusalem. It clearly says in verse 42 that they taught and preached in every house.

It would be a stretch to claim that a dozen guys preached to "every" house in a city the size of Jerusalem. Of course, if you looked at other translations, that would be clear.

And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching that the Christ is Jesus.

 

[rsc2a]

The vast majority of converts are the result of relational communication, not drive-by evangelism.

So Matthew 28:18-19 should have read...

Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations if you can first establish a personal friendship, baptizing them after you get to know if they prove for a sufficient time that they are producing enough fruit to satisfy your demands,  in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:  Teaching only those who you know will join your church  to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, modeling it by lifestyle evangelism of course: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

You really should look up the verb tense of "disciple" before you say things like this...

...the Scripture you butchered actually says this: Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.... So the idea is to make disciples. Since you're intent on Bibilcal methods, let's look at how Jesus discipled others. He took twelve guys and lived with them for three years. He taught them, trained them, ate with them, slept in their homes, was involved in their everyday lives. In other words, He had a relationship with them.

 

[OZZY]

[quote author=FSSL]
YOU claimed it was A biblical method. You still have no biblical evidence.... oh well. You are not the first or last Christian to proclaim a method is biblical with zero biblical support.

And you hold to that ignorant argument despite the reasonability that the "door to door" or "house to house" passages speak to evangelization in homes.

Since there are still no "door-to-door" passages. Alayman ignores the reality that the apostles were ministering in the house churches of Christians (Acts 2:46).

Our modern "door-to-door" method is not rooted in the Bible. It is rooted in the "Fuller brush" sales marketing technique and carried on by the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons and Baptists.
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No matter what you perceive it to be rooted in,folks are getting saved and the gospel is being proclaimed using this method. And since there is nowhere in the bible where it says this method is unbiblical You should be rejoicing in that fact. If you don't want to go 'door to door' don't but don't critize those that do.

 

[OZZY]

The vast majority of converts are the result of relational communication, not drive-by evangelism.

So Matthew 28:18-19 should have read...

Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations if you can first establish a personal friendship, baptizing them after you get to know if they prove for a sufficient time that they are producing enough fruit to satisfy your demands,  in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:  Teaching only those who you know will join your church  to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, modeling it by lifestyle evangelism of course: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

You really should look up the verb tense of "disciple" before you say things like this...

...the Scripture you butchered actually says this: Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.... So the idea is to make disciples. Since you're intent on Bibilcal methods, let's look at how Jesus discipled others. He took twelve guys and lived with them for three years. He taught them, trained them, ate with them, slept in their homes, was involved in their everyday lives. In other words, He had a relationship with them.

So you live with all you converts for three years? 

 

[rsc2a]

No matter what you perceive it to be rooted in,folks are getting saved and the gospel is being proclaimed using this method. And since there is nowhere in the bible where it says this method is unbiblical You should be rejoicing in that fact. If you don't want to go 'door to door' don't but don't critize those that do.

I just read bad through the thread. FSSL hasn't criticized people who go door-to-door. He's criticized those who claim they are following a Biblical model for doing so. I don't think there has to be a strict Biblical model for everything we do, but we shouldn't try to justify our actions using the Bible when the Bible is silent on said actions.

 

[OZZY]

No matter what you perceive it to be rooted in,folks are getting saved and the gospel is being proclaimed using this method. And since there is nowhere in the bible where it says this method is unbiblical You should be rejoicing in that fact. If you don't want to go 'door to door' don't but don't critize those that do.

I just read bad through the thread. FSSL hasn't criticized people who go door-to-door. He's criticized those who claim they are following a Biblical model for doing so. I don't think there has to be a strict Biblical model for everything we do, but we shouldn't try to justify our actions using the Bible when the Bible is silent on said actions.

The bible is silent about spreading the gospel?

 

[FSSL]

[quote author=FSSL]
YOU claimed it was A biblical method. You still have no biblical evidence.... oh well. You are not the first or last Christian to proclaim a method is biblical with zero biblical support.

And you hold to that ignorant argument despite the reasonability that the "door to door" or "house to house" passages speak to evangelization in homes.

Since there are still no "door-to-door" passages. Alayman ignores the reality that the apostles were ministering in the house churches of Christians (Acts 2:46).

Our modern "door-to-door" method is not rooted in the Bible. It is rooted in the "Fuller brush" sales marketing technique and carried on by the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons and Baptists.

No matter what you perceive it to be rooted in,folks are getting saved and the gospel is being proclaimed using this method. And since there is nowhere in the bible where it says this method is unbiblical You should be rejoicing in that fact. If you don't want to go 'door to door' don't but don't critize those that do.
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I am not criticizing those who participate in this ineffective method. Just don't call it a biblical method.

 

[rsc2a]

The vast majority of converts are the result of relational communication, not drive-by evangelism.

So Matthew 28:18-19 should have read...

Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations if you can first establish a personal friendship, baptizing them after you get to know if they prove for a sufficient time that they are producing enough fruit to satisfy your demands,  in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:  Teaching only those who you know will join your church  to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, modeling it by lifestyle evangelism of course: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

You really should look up the verb tense of "disciple" before you say things like this...

...the Scripture you butchered actually says this: Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.... So the idea is to make disciples. Since you're intent on Bibilcal methods, let's look at how Jesus discipled others. He took twelve guys and lived with them for three years. He taught them, trained them, ate with them, slept in their homes, was involved in their everyday lives. In other words, He had a relationship with them.

So you live with all you converts for three years? 

No (in a sense). But I don't go door to door either. I foster real relationships with co-workers, neighbors and friends. (I despise artificial "friendship evangelism".)  I live my faith openly, but I don't shove it down their throats. When disasters happen in their lives or they are stressed, often they come to me. I've had some of these people explicitly tell me they envy the peace I have about everything. I try to be a model and a source of answers for others.

I am "living with" people who (hopefully) are being discipled by me. I'm living with them in my workplace, my neighborhood, and even in my church.  I see some of these people almost as much as I see my family. And, if...

"...[God] made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him..."

...then I know I have been placed where and when I have been placed in order to be an ambassador for God. My neighborhood and my workplace are my mission field.

 

[rsc2a]

No matter what you perceive it to be rooted in,folks are getting saved and the gospel is being proclaimed using this method. And since there is nowhere in the bible where it says this method is unbiblical You should be rejoicing in that fact. If you don't want to go 'door to door' don't but don't critize those that do.

I just read bad through the thread. FSSL hasn't criticized people who go door-to-door. He's criticized those who claim they are following a Biblical model for doing so. I don't think there has to be a strict Biblical model for everything we do, but we shouldn't try to justify our actions using the Bible when the Bible is silent on said actions.

The bible is silent about spreading the gospel?

Show me where someone claimed that.

 

[OZZY]

[quote author=FSSL]
YOU claimed it was A biblical method. You still have no biblical evidence.... oh well. You are not the first or last Christian to proclaim a method is biblical with zero biblical support.

And you hold to that ignorant argument despite the reasonability that the "door to door" or "house to house" passages speak to evangelization in homes.

Since there are still no "door-to-door" passages. Alayman ignores the reality that the apostles were ministering in the house churches of Christians (Acts 2:46).

Our modern "door-to-door" method is not rooted in the Bible. It is rooted in the "Fuller brush" sales marketing technique and carried on by the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons and Baptists.

No matter what you perceive it to be rooted in,folks are getting saved and the gospel is being proclaimed using this method. And since there is nowhere in the bible where it says this method is unbiblical You should be rejoicing in that fact. If you don't want to gIo 'door to door' don't but don't critize those that do.

I am not criticizing those who participate in this ineffective method. Just don't call it a biblical method.
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Your categorizing it as ineffective with out any proof to back up your claim is in it's self a form of criticism.

 

[FSSL]

I am not criticizing those who participate in this ineffective method. Just don't call it a biblical method.

[quote author=OZZY]Your categorizing it as ineffective with out any proof to back up your claim is in it's self a form of criticism.
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Reread what I wrote.

I am criticizing the method as not being effective.
I am criticizing Alayman's assertions that it is a biblical method.
I am NOT criticizing THOSE who go door-to-door.

There are sincere people who go door-to-door and mean well. In fact, I am sure people have come to the gospel by means of people going door-to-door. I am critical of those who want to raise this outmoded 1950s marketing method to the level of a biblical method.

Going door-to-door is different than the apostles preaching/evangelizing at the house churches of wealthy Christians.

 

[OZZY]

I am not criticizing those who participate in this ineffective method. Just don't call it a biblical method.

[quote author=OZZY]Your categorizing it as ineffective with out any proof to back up your claim is in it's self a form of criticism.

Reread what I wrote.

I am criticizing the method as not being effective.
I am criticizing Alayman's assertions that it is a biblical method.
I am NOT criticizing THOSE who go door-to-door.

There are sincere people who go door-to-door and mean well. In fact, I am sure people have come to the gospel by means of people going door-to-door. I am critical of those who want to raise this outmoded 1950s marketing method to the level of a biblical method.

Going door-to-door is different than the apostles preaching/evangelizing at the house churches of wealthy Christians.
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Again you state it is ineffective,yet you offer no proof but your bias opinion . Which is just a way for you to be criticize something You disagree with.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=FSSL]
Since there are still no "door-to-door" passages. Alayman ignores the reality that the apostles were ministering in the house churches of Christians (Acts 2:46).[/quote]

Like I said, you're ignorant, puffed up with false knowledge, and fighting against an evangelism model (public ministry of a variety of sorts, including door to door) that has been held up as a viable mandate of Scriptures by the highest courts in our land.

Go figure out what the difference between kerusso and euangelidzo is then get back to me.


Oh, and your blatant dishonesty in dialogue is again duly noted.  My statements about a Biblical model, as stated explicitly several times in this thread, is that public heralding of the gospel, to people in a variety of venues, is the imperative of the great commission.  But here's ANOTHER Scripture regarding public preaching to folks in their homes for you to dismiss/ignore....


Mat 10:14  And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=rsc2a]
...the Scripture you butchered actually says this: Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.... So the idea is to make disciples. Since you're intent on Bibilcal methods, let's look at how Jesus discipled others. He took twelve guys and lived with them for three years. He taught them, trained them, ate with them, slept in their homes, was involved in their everyday lives. In other words, He had a relationship with them.
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Thanks for the laugh schoolboy.  Matthew 28 has far more implications than just discipleship.  And just like FSSL, go figure out the difference between descriptive and prescriptive.  Your hermeneutic Hoovers.

 

[OZZY]

I am not criticizing those who participate in this ineffective method. Just don't call it a biblical method.

[quote author=OZZY]Your categorizing it as ineffective with out any proof to back up your claim is in it's self a form of criticism.

Reread what I wrote.

I am criticizing the method as not being effective.
I am criticizing Alayman's assertions that it is a biblical method.
I am NOT criticizing THOSE who go door-to-door.

There are sincere people who go door-to-door and mean well. In fact, I am sure people have come to the gospel by means of people going door-to-door. I am critical of those who want to raise this outmoded 1950s marketing method to the level of a biblical method.

Going door-to-door is different than the apostles preaching/evangelizing at the house churches of wealthy Christians.
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It sure is to bad you have no biblical proof that is what is going on.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=rsc2a]No (in a sense). But I don't go door to door either. I foster real relationships with co-workers, neighbors and friends. (I despise artificial "friendship evangelism".)  I live my faith openly, but I don't shove it down their throats. When disasters happen in their lives or they are stressed, often they come to me. I've had some of these people explicitly tell me they envy the peace I have about everything. I try to be a model and a source of answers for others.

I am "living with" people who (hopefully) are being discipled by me. I'm living with them in my workplace, my neighborhood, and even in my church.  I see some of these people almost as much as I see my family. And, if...

"...[God] made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him..."

...then I know I have been placed where and when I have been placed in order to be an ambassador for God. My neighborhood and my workplace are my mission field.
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You foisted this canard once before and got called on it, but continue to unload your crappola.  This is a false dichotomy.  To claim that Scriptures demand that in order to evangelize we must first build a relationship with those we preach to is absolutely ignorant beyond measure.

 

[FSSL]

Again you state it is ineffective,yet you offer no proof but your bias opinion . Which is just a way for you to be criticize something You disagree with.

Why continue this merry-go-round? Why do I need to prove my opinion? If you want to investigate my opinion on why I believe it is ineffective, then start a new thread. I will gladly participate there.

What I have proven is that it is NOT a biblical method. No one has given scripture that the modern door-to-door, cold-calling marketing technique is a biblical method.

So, I criticize those who say it is a biblical method. I have never stated otherwise. I simply DO NOT criticize the PEOPLE who go door-to-door. If people want to go door-to-door, then my opinion is--let them do it!

 

[OZZY]

[quote author=rsc2a]No (in a sense). But I don't go door to door either. I foster real relationships with co-workers, neighbors and friends. (I despise artificial "friendship evangelism".)  I live my faith openly, but I don't shove it down their throats. When disasters happen in their lives or they are stressed, often they come to me. I've had some of these people explicitly tell me they envy the peace I have about everything. I try to be a model and a source of answers for others.

I am "living with" people who (hopefully) are being discipled by me. I'm living with them in my workplace, my neighborhood, and even in my church.  I see some of these people almost as much as I see my family. And, if...

"...[God] made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him..."

...then I know I have been placed where and when I have been placed in order to be an ambassador for God. My neighborhood and my workplace are my mission field.

You foisted this canard once before and got called on it, but continue to unload your crappola.  This is a false dichotomy.  To claim that Scriptures demand that in order to evangelize we must first build a relationship with those we preach to is absolutely ignorant beyond measure.
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What type of relationship did Phillip build with the Ethiopian Eunich? did he takes weeks, months, years to build a trust and a familiarly with him  or did he just present the Gospel?

I fail to see lifestyle evangelism here, seem Phillip just did  as we are commanded and presented to gospel to a total stanger.

 

[FSSL]

• you're ignorant
• puffed up with false knowledge
• and fighting against an evangelism model
• Go figure out what the difference between kerusso and euangelidzo is then get back to me.
• Oh, and your blatant dishonesty in dialogue is again duly noted.
• for you to dismiss/ignore....

Usually Christians are able to control themselves in discussion even when they disagree wholeheartedly. Why have you given up on substance and now prefer a puerile IFBXr technique?

It is a forum. Get a grip and don't take disagreement so personally!