City Considering "Do Not Knock List" to Keep Away Unwanted Solicitors

[The Real Bob]

How do they enforce something like that?

How about shotting them on site? That would work pretty good. Especially when word got around.  ;D

 

[FSSL]

 

[brianb]

When I go knock on doors (which I did today) I don't knock on any door with a sign that says (No Soliciting(ors)). I just leave something in their mailbox or on their door - no it's not what you think

This law is obviously important in that city because of a murder. It's all about safety. I don't have a problem with it.

 

[ALAYMAN]

 

[FSSL]

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=FSSL]
Figures... I didn't expect you had a biblical door-to-door methodology.

If a person does not go door-to-door, then you would have to logically say they are disobedient and neglecting the biblical "model" found in Matthew. Would you say they are disobedient?
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Figures, you'd pull crap out of thin air and put words in my mouth.  That's par for the course for this site.  It's shameful that Christians would be so deceptive in their discourse.  Could you show where I said that people who don't go door-to-door are disobedient?  Could you show where I said that going door-to-door is even what I explicitly was referring to?  The answer is no to both questions.  You invented the windmill/strawman so you could knock it down and feel better about your pitiful self-made argument. 

I have a jail ministry, among several others.  In those ministries I make contacts.  Those ministries provide me with contacts for folk who are effectively strangers.  According to the logic you and Amazed are putting forth I could/should be prohibited from those potential soulwinning opportunities, merely because you have a preference not to be bothered by people who knock on your door trying to sell you something. 

That aside, it still comes back to the fact that it is a pitiful state of Christianity when Christians encourage the government to restrict our religious freedoms.  Taking that approach makes for one sad excuse for a Baptist.

 

[FSSL]

[quote author=FSSL]
Figures... I didn't expect you had a biblical door-to-door methodology.

If a person does not go door-to-door, then you would have to logically say they are disobedient and neglecting the biblical "model" found in Matthew. Would you say they are disobedient?

Figures, you'd pull crap out of thin air and put words in my mouth.  That's par for the course for this site.  It's shameful that Christians would be so deceptive in their discourse.  Could you show where I said that people who don't go door-to-door are disobedient?  Could you show where I said that going door-to-door is even what I explicitly was referring to?  The answer is no to both questions.  You invented the windmill/strawman so you could knock it down and feel better about your pitiful self-made argument.
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Since this thread is all about knocking on doors and you claimed it was a biblical method, I expected you to find some scripture to support it.

If it was a biblical method, then those who do not do it are disobedient.

Nice way to dodge your lack of biblical support.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=FSSL]
Figures... I didn't expect you had a biblical door-to-door methodology.

If a person does not go door-to-door, then you would have to logically say they are disobedient and neglecting the biblical "model" found in Matthew. Would you say they are disobedient?

Figures, you'd pull crap out of thin air and put words in my mouth.  That's par for the course for this site.  It's shameful that Christians would be so deceptive in their discourse.  Could you show where I said that people who don't go door-to-door are disobedient?  Could you show where I said that going door-to-door is even what I explicitly was referring to?  The answer is no to both questions.  You invented the windmill/strawman so you could knock it down and feel better about your pitiful self-made argument.

Since this thread is all about knocking on doors and you claimed it was a biblical method, I expected you to find some scripture to support it.

If it was a biblical method, then those who do not do it are disobedient.

Nice way to dodge your lack of biblical support.
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Learn the definitions of prescriptive and descriptive, and quit being so obtuse.  The Bible shows the gospel going to many venues, public and private, giving warrant to the concept of evangelism everywhere and all around the globe using a variety of methods.  But you'd rather support legislation that restricts Christian's ability to undertake one of those Biblically valid methods of publicly proclaiming salvation.  God help our country when Bible-believing fundamental Christians would rather not be bothered by soulwinners, so much so that they'd advocate impinging on our <religious> liberty.

 

[JrChurch]

Luke 14:23  And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

The gospel is to go out to the people who are in the highways and hedges, which should include the houses by the the highways and especially the houses that have hedges.  :  I can't believe anyone would have a problem with Alayman over this matter.  There are laws and rules that hinder us from spreading the gospel (no proselytizing by a teacher in a public classroom) and we have to abide by those laws, but that doesn't make them right. 

Concerning the specific method of going from door to door:

Acts 5:42  And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Acts 20:20  And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,


Whatever the method......spread the message.

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

[quote author=FSSL]
Figures... I didn't expect you had a biblical door-to-door methodology.

If a person does not go door-to-door, then you would have to logically say they are disobedient and neglecting the biblical "model" found in Matthew. Would you say they are disobedient?

Figures, you'd pull crap out of thin air and put words in my mouth.  That's par for the course for this site.  It's shameful that Christians would be so deceptive in their discourse.  Could you show where I said that people who don't go door-to-door are disobedient?  Could you show where I said that going door-to-door is even what I explicitly was referring to?  The answer is no to both questions.  You invented the windmill/strawman so you could knock it down and feel better about your pitiful self-made argument.

Since this thread is all about knocking on doors and you claimed it was a biblical method, I expected you to find some scripture to support it.

If it was a biblical method, then those who do not do it are disobedient.

Nice way to dodge your lack of biblical support.

Learn the definitions of prescriptive and descriptive, and quit being so obtuse.  The Bible shows the gospel going to many venues, public and private, giving warrant to the concept of evangelism everywhere and all around the globe using a variety of methods.  But you'd rather support legislation that restricts Christian's ability to undertake one of those Biblically valid methods of publicly proclaiming salvation.  God help our country when Bible-believing fundamental Christians would rather not be bothered by soulwinners, so much so that they'd advocate impinging on our <religious> liberty.
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You have ZERO religious rights/liberty to come onto my property. I have every right to restrict access and so does every property owner.

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

[quote author=AmazedbyGrace]
You need a list?

You made the claim about multitudes of ways to get the gospel out to strangers.  Usually, when people put forth assertions, if you want to have any credibility, you actually need to provide some sort of plausible facts that support your claim. 

I am tired of weirdos at my door. The current score is something like:

Weird, questionable solicitors and known cultists: Low three digits (I live waaaay too close to a Kingdom Hall)

Someone who MIGHT want to tell me something Scriptural about Jesus: Zero

You have anecdotal evidence that the gospel doesn't get spread via doorknocking so it *must* be true that nobody witnesses for Christ in such a manner.    :

And again, what you're saying essentially is, I need to be more comfortable in my life, and the aggrevation I might face  makes me want to impinge on a person sharing the gospel with my lost neighbor.  Woe to those at ease in Zion.
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I have never denied that a small minority of Christians like to knock on doors, only that they are not doing it on my street. Statistically speaking, the percentage of door knocks from them is insignificant.

I find your request for a list of methods of evangelism silly because you already know many of the items. You are just being argumentative.

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

Perhaps you should see it more positively, Alayman. Such a "Do Not Knock List" would effective eliminate all the people who do not want to see you on their doorstep. This allows you to focus your time and energy on those who are more receptive.

BTW, door knocking is not well received in all neighborhoods. My neighborhood has become quite suspicious of strangers.

 

[FSSL]

[quote author=FSSL]
Figures... I didn't expect you had a biblical door-to-door methodology.

If a person does not go door-to-door, then you would have to logically say they are disobedient and neglecting the biblical "model" found in Matthew. Would you say they are disobedient?

Figures, you'd pull crap out of thin air and put words in my mouth.  That's par for the course for this site.  It's shameful that Christians would be so deceptive in their discourse.  Could you show where I said that people who don't go door-to-door are disobedient?  Could you show where I said that going door-to-door is even what I explicitly was referring to?  The answer is no to both questions.  You invented the windmill/strawman so you could knock it down and feel better about your pitiful self-made argument.

Since this thread is all about knocking on doors and you claimed it was a biblical method, I expected you to find some scripture to support it.

If it was a biblical method, then those who do not do it are disobedient.

Nice way to dodge your lack of biblical support.

Learn the definitions of prescriptive and descriptive, and quit being so obtuse.  The Bible shows the gospel going to many venues, public and private, giving warrant to the concept of evangelism everywhere and all around the globe using a variety of methods.  But you'd rather support legislation that restricts Christian's ability to undertake one of those Biblically valid methods of publicly proclaiming salvation.  God help our country when Bible-believing fundamental Christians would rather not be bothered by soulwinners, so much so that they'd advocate impinging on our <religious> liberty.
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Learn to read...I.am.against legislation of this kind and said so clearly above.

Descriptive truth does not make a biblical method. You called it a biblical method. Where is door-to-door even described/illustrated or practiced?

You are debating yourself. You argued for door knocking as a biblical method. Then you told me that you were not calling door-to-door a biblical method explicitly. Now you are back to defending it. How can anyone discuss something with you when you are debating yourself?

I challenged the use of your phrasing that this was a biblical method. Show us where this method was even practiced. You said you had plenty of verses. Now you continually dodge the question.

You said you had plenty of biblical evidence. The fact that you continue on without it and impugne me is not convincing
It shows you got easily upset over a challenge to your assumption and you do not have the evidence.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=AmazedbyGrace]
You have ZERO religious rights/liberty to come onto my property. I have every right to restrict access and so does every property owner.
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This conversation isn't about whether or not you as an individual property owner can put up No Trespassing signs or restrict/prohibit access to your property.  You can already do that, without passing any more legislation or having any more regulation.  It's like the nuts who want more gun laws.  There are enough on the books already to cover the multitude of potential crimes that people may commit.  The government just needs to properly enforce what they already have on the books. This discussion is about enacting laws that prohibit people in entire towns, villages, or cities from having the right to knock on EVERY/ANY person's door in the entire community. That's apples to oranges.

Again, what you are advocating is placing greater limitations and restrictions on the free flow of the gospel in order to have a more convenient lifestyle, plain and simple.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=FSSL]

Descriptive truth does not make a biblical method. You called it a biblical method. Where is door-to-door even described/illustrated or practiced?[/quote]

Where did I say that going door to door was a command?  You can't pull that bait and switch cappola and get away with it.  I said that we are commanded to preach the gospel to every creature, and going to where people are, whether in the public square as Paul did on Mars Hill, or confronting them in their places of worship, getting into their houses via TV and radio, or host of other ways and means, we are to preach the gospel to people.  I'm all for the free flow of the gospel, whereas it appears that others on this forum who name the name of Christ would like to impose laws and regulation that makes it more difficult or restrict the number of ways that is possible. 

The rest of your post is nothing more than a continuation of the strawman claim that erroneously assumes my position to be that it is only acceptable to get the gospel to people via door-knocking.  I've never said that, and it is dishonest of you to continue to assert it.

 

[Izdaari]

If I get anyone at my door wanting to share their faith, it isn't likely to be an orthodox Christian of any denomination, but some cultist. Sad but true.

And, as I said, though I emotionally sympathize with such a law, I could not support it. Enough gummint already!

I would like to see a very small federal gov't, and matters referred back to the states to deal with as they wish. This measure is for a local gov't to decide. Since they answer very directly to their population (as opposed to my Congresscritters, who do not care what I think), I am good with localities making such regulations. They could just put it to a vote. (I bet it would pass!)

Residents have the option of participating by entering their address on the registry (they don't have to register). Folks who want to solicit door-to-door would have to download a list of "Do not Knock" addresses first. Just like the "Do Not Call Registry", there could be fines for violations.

I am seriously tired of shady characters on my doorstep, pestering my neighborhood.

True, for the reasons you mentioned, that I'll tolerate intrusions from my state that I won't from the feds, and from my city that I won't from my state. Subsidiarity is a sound principle: government is best done on the most local level possible.

But I'm not yet convinced of the necessity of this one. And "If it is not necessary that there be a law, it is necessary that there not be a law."

 

[rsc2a]

Luke 14:23  And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

The gospel is to go out to the people who are in the highways and hedges, which should include the houses by the the highways and especially the houses that have hedges.  :  I can't believe anyone would have a problem with Alayman over this matter.  There are laws and rules that hinder us from spreading the gospel (no proselytizing by a teacher in a public classroom) and we have to abide by those laws, but that doesn't make them right. 

Concerning the specific method of going from door to door:

Acts 5:42  And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Acts 20:20  And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,


Whatever the method......spread the message.

Context is your friend....

"In every house" and "from house to house" takes on a completely different meaning when you consider the fact that the Church actually met in houses at this time. Consider:

Paul, a prisoner for Christ Jesus, and Timothy our brother, to Philemon our beloved fellow worker and Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house... Philemon 1:1-2

 

[rsc2a]

According to the logic you and Amazed are putting forth I could/should be prohibited from those potential soulwinning opportunities, merely because you have a preference not to be bothered by people who knock on your door trying to sell you something. 

The problem is that, too many times, evangelism comes across a lot like people trying to sell you something. The vast majority of converts are the result of relational communication, not drive-by evangelism.

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

[quote author=AmazedbyGrace]
You have ZERO religious rights/liberty to come onto my property. I have every right to restrict access and so does every property owner.

This conversation isn't about whether or not you as an individual property owner can put up No Trespassing signs or restrict/prohibit access to your property.  You can already do that, without passing any more legislation or having any more regulation.  It's like the nuts who want more gun laws.  There are enough on the books already to cover the multitude of potential crimes that people may commit.  The government just needs to properly enforce what they already have on the books. This discussion is about enacting laws that prohibit people in entire towns, villages, or cities from having the right to knock on EVERY/ANY person's door in the entire community. That's apples to oranges.

Again, what you are advocating is placing greater limitations and restrictions on the free flow of the gospel in order to have a more convenient lifestyle, plain and simple.
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The "Do Not Knock List" is just another tool homeowners can use to keep unwanted people off their property. Only those wishing to restrict access to their private property will sign up for it.

Like I said, it would help a Christian door knocker focus their attention on the most receptive people. Win-win.

 

[Bro Blue]

I live in an area that is inundated with baptist churches. I have never had a single baptist knock on my door. Jehovah witnesses yes, baptists no. I have often wondered why. As someone who is not ashamed of the gospel or the defending it, I have no problem with someone knocking on my door inquiring about my eternal destination. I don't believe that door knockers ought to be pushy to the point of being obnoxious because that will turn people off. I must admit that I have often marveled at the people that claim Christ that want no part in a conversation about Him.