Church Ed

Never give kids watermelon on the bus on an extremely hot day.
 
IFB X-Files said:
Baptist City Holdout said:
Get people to respond..... Stand to sing, stand to get a visitor's card, stand for responsive reading, stand for the invitation.
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Once my in-laws visited the church.  Hyles asked all the visitors to stand.  My in-laws didn't.  For some reason (and I never saw him do this again) he asked everyone to stand, then said "if you are a member please be seated".  My in-laws were left standing.  I was amazed.
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I have seen this done many times in churches pastored by Hyles graduates.

I assume it was taught in church ed in the early days.

 
What about Spring & Fall program (6 weeks each).
 
I hear that Church Ed will once again become Ray Young's baby,...

The main concern I have with that is he has no people skills, one of the biggest assets you can learn is to connect with people and have them connect with you. Ray Young is "too busy" to say hello in the hallways, be it at the college or church.
 
Bravo said:
I hear that Church Ed will once again become Ray Young's baby,...

The main concern I have with that is he has no people skills, one of the biggest assets you can learn is to connect with people and have them connect with you. Ray Young is "too busy" to say hello in the hallways, be it at the college or church.
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The main concern I have is that he's never pastored a church, let alone worked in a normal one...
 
Tom Brennan said:
Bravo said:
I hear that Church Ed will once again become Ray Young's baby,...

The main concern I have with that is he has no people skills, one of the biggest assets you can learn is to connect with people and have them connect with you. Ray Young is "too busy" to say hello in the hallways, be it at the college or church.
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The main concern I have is that he's never pastored a church, let alone worked in a normal one...
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Were you okay with Bob Marshall teaching "Starting a New Testament Church"? :-)
 
I know he's an anti-hero, but at least we had some guidance from Bill Grady.  I visited Kootenai County Baptist Church in Post Falls, Idaho before I showed up to college, and it was a thriving church 6 years after Bro.Grady went back to HAC to teach.

Anishinabe
 
Bravo said:
I hear that Church Ed will once again become Ray Young's baby,...

The main concern I have with that is he has no people skills, one of the biggest assets you can learn is to connect with people and have them connect with you. Ray Young is "too busy" to say hello in the hallways, be it at the college or church.
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He really is a friendly guy if you ever get to know him, otherwise he comes across as an ice cold fish. Not a charismatic people person. Curmudgeonly is how I would describe him with one word.
 
I joined an IFB church for the first time as an adult in the early 90’s. After a few years I began to see common themes among preachers who had been to HAC. One of the most outstanding is that multiple preachers have told a story about a child, a pair of shoes, and an incident in which the child calls the preacher "God" or "Jesus." Sometimes the child asks, "God, will you tie my shoe," sometimes he says, "Jesus, look at my new shoes," etc.

I have heard this story several times with slight variations, but it is always told as truth, and in each account, the preacher was "humbled" by being mistaken for God/Jesus.

Is there some significance to why so many preachers claim this same story?
 
johntamminga said:
I joined an IFB church for the first time as an adult in the early 90’s. After a few years I began to see common themes among preachers who had been to HAC. One of the most outstanding is that multiple preachers have told a story about a child, a pair of shoes, and an incident in which the child calls the preacher "God" or "Jesus." Sometimes the child asks, "God, will you tie my shoe," sometimes he says, "Jesus, look at my new shoes," etc.

I have heard this story several times with slight variations, but it is always told as truth, and in each account, the preacher was "humbled" by being mistaken for God/Jesus.

Is there some significance to why so many preachers claim this same story?
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This was told by Bro. Hyles many times over the years, he was mistaken for God.
I have my doubts that it ever happened. It made a good story to tell in a sermon.
Thus all the guys you have heard tell it.
 
johntamminga said:
I joined an IFB church for the first time as an adult in the early 90’s. After a few years I began to see common themes among preachers who had been to HAC. One of the most outstanding is that multiple preachers have told a story about a child, a pair of shoes, and an incident in which the child calls the preacher "God" or "Jesus." Sometimes the child asks, "God, will you tie my shoe," sometimes he says, "Jesus, look at my new shoes," etc.

I have heard this story several times with slight variations, but it is always told as truth, and in each account, the preacher was "humbled" by being mistaken for God/Jesus.

Is there some significance to why so many preachers claim this same story?
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This was an event that happened to Dr. Hyles.  My guess is that you heard HAC preachers use the story as an illustration.  I would also guess that the preachers used Dr. Hyles in the illustration rather than themselves.
 
Jack Schaap and David Gibbs both testified of not cleaning out the horses stalls and letting the dung pile up under the straw till they were found out. Back to thread...........
 
RAIDER said:
johntamminga said:
I joined an IFB church for the first time as an adult in the early 90’s. After a few years I began to see common themes among preachers who had been to HAC. One of the most outstanding is that multiple preachers have told a story about a child, a pair of shoes, and an incident in which the child calls the preacher "God" or "Jesus." Sometimes the child asks, "God, will you tie my shoe," sometimes he says, "Jesus, look at my new shoes," etc.

I have heard this story several times with slight variations, but it is always told as truth, and in each account, the preacher was "humbled" by being mistaken for God/Jesus.

Is there some significance to why so many preachers claim this same story?
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This was an event that happened to Dr. Hyles.  My guess is that you heard HAC preachers use the story as an illustration.  I would also guess that the preachers used Dr. Hyles in the illustration rather than themselves.
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Nope. Without exception, I have heard the story told in first person with no mention of Dr. Hyles. Hence my question about the remarkable coincidence that so many HAC preachers had an almost identical experience.
 
johntamminga said:
RAIDER said:
johntamminga said:
I joined an IFB church for the first time as an adult in the early 90’s. After a few years I began to see common themes among preachers who had been to HAC. One of the most outstanding is that multiple preachers have told a story about a child, a pair of shoes, and an incident in which the child calls the preacher "God" or "Jesus." Sometimes the child asks, "God, will you tie my shoe," sometimes he says, "Jesus, look at my new shoes," etc.

I have heard this story several times with slight variations, but it is always told as truth, and in each account, the preacher was "humbled" by being mistaken for God/Jesus.

Is there some significance to why so many preachers claim this same story?
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This was an event that happened to Dr. Hyles.  My guess is that you heard HAC preachers use the story as an illustration.  I would also guess that the preachers used Dr. Hyles in the illustration rather than themselves.
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Nope. Without exception, I have heard the story told in first person with no mention of Dr. Hyles. Hence my question about the remarkable coincidence that so many HAC preachers had an almost identical experience.
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If that be the case it is either a remarkable coincidence or there is some dishonesty going on.  I believe every HAC grad preacher has told a Dr. Hyles' story during his preaching.  The ones that I have heard always use Dr. Hyles' name.
 
The story of the little Girl who ran off the atheist by singing "Stand up stand up for Jesus" & the story of the football player who clobbers the atheist & says "God was busy, so he sent me" are classic sermon stories. The locations and time periods change but the stories remain the same.

I seem to recall JS telling the football player story as if it happened locally.
I have heard both stories told in the first person as if the speaker had personal knowledge of the event.
I wondered if these stories were limited to hac graduates so I did an internet search & find dozens of versions of the same stories posted online.

What responsibility does a preacher have to disclose it is only a story he read or heard, not first hand experience?
 
These are just the lies that preeeechers tell and we let them get away with it.
 
"When you start a new church, have at least $20,000 saved for expenses" - David Nelms - 1982

Let's see....$20K in '82 would be like a gazillion today.
 
IFB X-Files said:
"When you start a new church, have at least $20,000 saved for expenses" - David Nelms - 1982

Let's see....$20K in '82 would be like a gazillion today.
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$48,395 ;)
 
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