Attendance at IFB colleges
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There are a fair number of very small IFB colleges around the country. One that I know of off top of my head is Atlantic Coast Baptist College. I've casually known the president/founder for some twenty years or so. He was the president for Northeast Baptist School of Theology up in Pennsylvania until he left and I believe he went to another small college in New York. He's now in Delaware, where he started this school. I don't know about their numbers, but I'd be surprised if they had more than thirty students. I see that they still run the same program that Bro Miller ran at NEBST: All students did a double-major in the Bible and whatever their primary major was(Pastoral Theology, etc). Bro Miller has for years primarily focused on training preachers and workers who would work in churches in the Northeast and north Mid-Atlantic. http://www.atlanticcoastcol.com/
There is also Heritage Baptist University in Indiana. I knew a fellow who was on their board for many years. I'm not sure if he is still on it or not, but he was also on another board or two for IFB colleges. Their website has very little content, so here is their Facebook page. Probably pretty small, I don't recall them having a lot of students. They have been around probably since at least the 80's. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Heritage-Baptist-College/165427623085?sk=timeline
There is also Landmark Baptist, and I'm rather surprised that nobody else has mentioned their name. But, maybe I just traveled more in some of these other circles. I'm pleased to see that Bro Carter is still living. He was a pleasant fellow, even though we'd probably disagree on a number of issues these days. This is probably more of a small-medium sized school, maybe 200 students? They would have started in the early 80's. http://www.landmarkbaptistcollege.com
And then there is Tri-State College, down near Memphis. Maybe fifty students? But I'm not sure. Fun fact: Their church routinely has Phil Kidd as a revival speaker. They also give students free tuition for the first year. They were started not too long after Hyles-Anderson was, the pastor was a student there I believe. http://www.tristatebaptistcollege.com
And of course, there are a few IFB diploma mills like this one: http://slidellbaptistseminary.org
And then there are a fair number of Baptist churches that have their own system of study for laymen who want to be trained for ministry and the pastors are usually trained at an IFB college. I know of one that has a couple of pastors from nearby churches who come over to teach classes for the students.
There is also Heritage Baptist University in Indiana. I knew a fellow who was on their board for many years. I'm not sure if he is still on it or not, but he was also on another board or two for IFB colleges. Their website has very little content, so here is their Facebook page. Probably pretty small, I don't recall them having a lot of students. They have been around probably since at least the 80's. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Heritage-Baptist-College/165427623085?sk=timeline
There is also Landmark Baptist, and I'm rather surprised that nobody else has mentioned their name. But, maybe I just traveled more in some of these other circles. I'm pleased to see that Bro Carter is still living. He was a pleasant fellow, even though we'd probably disagree on a number of issues these days. This is probably more of a small-medium sized school, maybe 200 students? They would have started in the early 80's. http://www.landmarkbaptistcollege.com
And then there is Tri-State College, down near Memphis. Maybe fifty students? But I'm not sure. Fun fact: Their church routinely has Phil Kidd as a revival speaker. They also give students free tuition for the first year. They were started not too long after Hyles-Anderson was, the pastor was a student there I believe. http://www.tristatebaptistcollege.com
And of course, there are a few IFB diploma mills like this one: http://slidellbaptistseminary.org
And then there are a fair number of Baptist churches that have their own system of study for laymen who want to be trained for ministry and the pastors are usually trained at an IFB college. I know of one that has a couple of pastors from nearby churches who come over to teach classes for the students.
Dunkard said:
Word on the street was that Westmoreland and Kidd had a falling out a couple of years ago because Westmoreland blew a gasket when Kidd took an I-Pad to the pulpit instead of a Bible. I was entertained reading Kidd's Facebook rant.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=39843727181&story_fbid=10151206105027182
Citadel of Truth said:
That's entirely possible. Westmoreland always had a Hyles complex but without the personality or ability, and a falling out with one of his best friends over something stupid is entirely realm of possibility.
Any forum posters who currently attend an IFB school like to post about your first week of school?
Any moms & dads like to comment on your initial perceptions when dropping of your child?
Do we have any ON THE SCENE reports for us back at home?
Any moms & dads like to comment on your initial perceptions when dropping of your child?
Do we have any ON THE SCENE reports for us back at home?
50 years from today I predict (while gazing into my crystal ball) that Hyles Anderson College will not exist. When the name is mentioned in the distant future people will respond with an inquisitve "Huh, What's that?" and then just as quickly Google the name.
With the present rate of decline as well as the lingering putrecence from all their scandals HAC will be lucky if it lasts ten years.
With the present rate of decline as well as the lingering putrecence from all their scandals HAC will be lucky if it lasts ten years.
Tom Brennan said:
In the circles I used to move in, the decision to no longer recommend HAC started when Schapp tried to (correctly, in my opinion) point out that the KJV is a translation and not inspired. That was it for the Gail Riplinger and her ilk who despise the original languages and hold that the KJV is "inspired".
Exactly this. Much depends upon what they desire to do or be. If they want to get back to the "glory" days, there must be a shakeup. If they just want to minister to those in the area, they can probably get by without a shakeup, but then they should close down any attempt to influence other churches.
Very well stated!
Personally, I don't think they are willing to admit that their problems go back to Jack Hyles. Until they publicly admit the areas in which he was wrong (doctrinally as well as the leadership philosophy that demanded unquestioning loyalty), I don't think that the problem can be healed.
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This may help:Walt said:
Jn 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Some of us contended that Whatever language it is in, the word is spirit, by definition, inspired.
2Ti 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
God breathed the Scripture, because the Scripture IS His Breathe (Spirit).
Of Course, JS didn't ask any of us what our position was, he just accused us all of mot knowing as much as him about it.
He was very arrogant, in his presentation of this discussion, when he shouldn't have been, because he was trying to change a 10+ year long position held publicly by the Church (FBCH).
Yeah, B.G., and the gang pulled back.
So what?
They werent the major source of HAC students anyway, they all had their own schools.
The product that HAC put out, in the last 20 years, was a reflection of the pride that saturates FBCH, and that was the biggest cause of the decline.
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Updated info on Shawnee Baptist College: It is closed. Someone I know (who had attended there a few years back) called the college recently to request a grades transcript and was told the college is closed. Guess you have to call the church office now to get any transcript info.
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I think the falling attendance numbers at IFB colleges can be traced to the falling attendance numbers in IFB churches. Eventually, the same thing will happen in mainstream Evangelical Schools.
Can someone please explain to me how attendance can be sliding. I routinely peruse the websites, facebook pages, blogs, etc. of many ifb writers, pastors, evangelists, etc. and they all claim that every week revival is happening. Don't want to get into naming people here but I know of a popular evangelist who will write about everywhere he goes that scores were saved, altars were full and warm, and revival took place.
Bob Gray has tried to revive the ifb "movement" through his cooperation with whoever runs the independent baptist website. They originally had planned, along with Russell Anderson, to have Independent Baptist Conferences all around the country and they did have a couple. Bob always said that when these services started that the atmosphere was 'electifying'! And all of the decisions that took place. Yet, they can't generate enough interest to keep these conferences going.
We have often been told that evangelists around the country have said that the only hint of revival in America is in a handful of ifb churches and particularly among hac grads. (you had to go to hac to hear this one) Now, imagine my surprise to start listening to different types of speakers who are doing great works who scoff at this. I just heard a pentecostal minister (Donny Swaggart) say that around the world the only true moving of God seems to be in pentecostal or charismatic circles.
So, What is the problem here?
Bob Gray has tried to revive the ifb "movement" through his cooperation with whoever runs the independent baptist website. They originally had planned, along with Russell Anderson, to have Independent Baptist Conferences all around the country and they did have a couple. Bob always said that when these services started that the atmosphere was 'electifying'! And all of the decisions that took place. Yet, they can't generate enough interest to keep these conferences going.
We have often been told that evangelists around the country have said that the only hint of revival in America is in a handful of ifb churches and particularly among hac grads. (you had to go to hac to hear this one) Now, imagine my surprise to start listening to different types of speakers who are doing great works who scoff at this. I just heard a pentecostal minister (Donny Swaggart) say that around the world the only true moving of God seems to be in pentecostal or charismatic circles.
So, What is the problem here?
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1 Corinthians 1:11-13BALAAM said:Can someone please explain to me how attendance can be sliding. I routinely peruse the websites, facebook pages, blogs, etc. of many ifb writers, pastors, evangelists, etc. and they all claim that every week revival is happening. Don't want to get into naming people here but I know of a popular evangelist who will write about everywhere he goes that scores were saved, altars were full and warm, and revival took place.
Bob Gray has tried to revive the ifb "movement" through his cooperation with whoever runs the independent baptist website. They originally had planned, along with Russell Anderson, to have Independent Baptist Conferences all around the country and they did have a couple. Bob always said that when these services started that the atmosphere was 'electifying'! And all of the decisions that took place. Yet, they can't generate enough interest to keep these conferences going.
We have often been told that evangelists around the country have said that the only hint of revival in America is in a handful of ifb churches and particularly among hac grads. (you had to go to hac to hear this one) Now, imagine my surprise to start listening to different types of speakers who are doing great works who scoff at this. I just heard a pentecostal minister (Donny Swaggart) say that around the world the only true moving of God seems to be in pentecostal or charismatic circles.
So, What is the problem here?
BALAAM said:Can someone please explain to me how attendance can be sliding. I routinely peruse the websites, facebook pages, blogs, etc. of many ifb writers, pastors, evangelists, etc. and they all claim that every week revival is happening. Don't want to get into naming people here but I know of a popular evangelist who will write about everywhere he goes that scores were saved, altars were full and warm, and revival took place.
Bob Gray has tried to revive the ifb "movement" through his cooperation with whoever runs the independent baptist website. They originally had planned, along with Russell Anderson, to have Independent Baptist Conferences all around the country and they did have a couple. Bob always said that when these services started that the atmosphere was 'electifying'! And all of the decisions that took place. Yet, they can't generate enough interest to keep these conferences going.
We have often been told that evangelists around the country have said that the only hint of revival in America is in a handful of ifb churches and particularly among hac grads. (you had to go to hac to hear this one) Now, imagine my surprise to start listening to different types of speakers who are doing great works who scoff at this. I just heard a pentecostal minister (Donny Swaggart) say that around the world the only true moving of God seems to be in pentecostal or charismatic circles.
So, What is the problem here?
If Bob Gray said the sky was blue, I'd want to check on it myself.
This is the man who claims to have had one million people saved, yet his church runs around 200 on Wed night (a good indicator of the true size of the church).
This is the man who claims to have preached 12 messages a week every week without fail for decades (I don't remember the total # of messages, but math breaks it down to 12 messages a week).
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Heartland Baptist Bible College ... This was in a news release received from Heartland just this morning.
"We are very thankful to the Lord for sending 404 students into the on-campus undergraduate program, 17 into the resident graduate program, 14 into the online graduate program, 69 into the undergraduate distance education program, and 27 into the Heartland Baptist Academy."
"We are very thankful to the Lord for sending 404 students into the on-campus undergraduate program, 17 into the resident graduate program, 14 into the online graduate program, 69 into the undergraduate distance education program, and 27 into the Heartland Baptist Academy."