Any "Glee"/sodomite fans present among us?

[Aviator]

Sure their actions are sinful.  Don't you find it curious, though, that God spent a whole lot less time proportionally condemning them than does the typical fundamentalist?

It's hard to make sense of your protest.  Are you intimating that I spend too much time talking about the gay issue?  If so, you've got spit for brains.  Cream, if you were to be the slightest big objective you'd admit that in my history on the forums I rarely talk about the gay thing.  Maybe others do, but I ain't talkin' about wacko hobby horse fundy cotton-candy sermons, but rather a real issue that is invading our laws and our church house.  Do you want to just bury your head in the sand and ignore the reality that the gay agenda is impacting marriage, laws, and the way churches shy away from the subject?

I spent many years mocking, berating, and condemning homosexuals as you and others do.  It is an accepted and expected part of being a fundamental Baptist.  But I no longer see them as the threat to the church you do.  And I don't believe scripture depicts them as such either.  Neither Christ nor Paul nor any of the other New Testament writers spent much time if any on the subject of gays.  They are human beings and should be treated as such.  Once I realized that I didn't risk becoming gay simply because I listened to Queen or Elton John, it changed my perspective and my behavior.  I'm not concerned about their "impact" on me because there is no chance, NO CHANCE, that I will ever be attracted to men.  I am not concerned about their "impact" on my church or family because we already know that it is sinful and that it is to be viewed as any other sin.  I am against laws which legitimize gay marriage, but plain old fornication, divorce, drunkenness, domestic violence, burglary, drug addiction, etc. are far more harmful to society percentage wise, so I won't waste any more of my time giving special attention to the "gay agenda."

Effeminate men and butch women do tend to turn my stomach, so when I happen on these TV programs that have a flaming homosexual host, I simply change the channel.  But I don't feel the need to get all bent out of shape and go on a crusade.

 

[Izdaari]

Btw, "sodomite" is a misnomer, since homosexuality or sexual sin of any kind are at most a very minor part of the reasons Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. At least if you believe Jeremiah, Isaiah and Ezekiel, all of whom talk about the fate of those two cities and why they were destroyed... and don't mention sexual sin of any kind as one of the reasons.

Compare the story in Genesis with Jude 1:7 and you will see that you are wrong.  The sin was sexual perversion, and it was clear the men wanted to commit sodomy with the visitors and were blinded because of it.  You have swallowed the lie of the liberals that think that nothing is wrong with homosexualism.

Yes, I know all of those Scriptures. Do you know the ones I mentioned? Do you remember that the decision to destroy Sodom was made before that incident? The reasons Jeremiah, Isaiah and Ezekiel gave for why it was destroyed have zero to do with homosexuality. Reading Scripture is good. Reading stuff into it that isn't there, even though it may be part of your tradition, is not so good.

Oh, and welcome to FF!  :-*

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Aviator]
I spent many years mocking, berating, and condemning homosexuals as you and others do.  It is an accepted and expected part of being a fundamental Baptist.  But I no longer see them as the threat to the church you do.  And I don't believe scripture depicts them as such either.  Neither Christ nor Paul nor any of the other New Testament writers spent much time if any on the subject of gays.  They are human beings and should be treated as such.  Once I realized that I didn't risk becoming gay simply because I listened to Queen or Elton John, it changed my perspective and my behavior.  I'm not concerned about their "impact" on me because there is no chance, NO CHANCE, that I will ever be attracted to men.  I am not concerned about their "impact" on my church or family because we already know that it is sinful and that it is to be viewed as any other sin.  I am against laws which legitimize gay marriage, but plain old fornication, divorce, drunkenness, domestic violence, burglary, drug addiction, etc. are far more harmful to society percentage wise, so I won't waste any more of my time giving special attention to the "gay agenda."

Effeminate men and butch women do tend to turn my stomach, so when I happen on these TV programs that have a flaming homosexual host, I simply change the channel.  But I don't feel the need to get all bent out of shape and go on a crusade.
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Crusade?  Bent out of shape?  Don't treat them as human beings???

You're pulling crap out of your (edited Admin). 

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=OZZY ]
What is interesting is that you equate a 1930's classic to the Gay community , you must spend a lot of time around your sodimite friends to be in the know. I had no idea that The Wizard of Oz was one of ya'll favorites.Oh well bet you go hmmmmmmmmm while you are watching it.
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(Edited Admin)

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

Yes, I know all of those Scriptures. Do you know the ones I mentioned? Do you remember that the decision to destroy Sodom was made before that incident? The reasons Jeremiah, Isaiah and Ezekiel gave for why it was destroyed have zero to do with homosexuality. Reading Scripture is good. Reading stuff into it that isn't there, even though it may be part of your tradition, is not so good.

Oh, and welcome to FF!  :-*
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Yes, I read those scriptures you listed.  They still don't override Jude 1:7 and the Genesis account.  The event in Genesis with the visitors didn't cause the destruction, I understand that, but it was the last straw. 

Just because there may have been other reasons for the destruction does not mean that Jude is wrong either.  Jude said it was sexual perversion.  And we have the sexual pervision in Genesis that is listed.  2 and 2 equals 4. Always.

Thanks for the welcome.  I have posted some here, but still post on the other site in the bible version section.  People don't like the KJVO people, but at least they keep something going.  The bible version section here is deadsville.

 

[wheatpenny]

The bible version section here is deadsville.

That's because the KJVOs from the other forum haven't found out about this one yet...

 

[OZZY]

[quote author=OZZY ]
What is interesting is that you equate a 1930's classic to the Gay community , you must spend a lot of time around your sodimite friends to be in the know. I had no idea that The Wizard of Oz was one of ya'll favorites.Oh well bet you go hmmmmmmmmm while you are watching it.

 

[Aviator]

Crusade?  Bent out of shape?  Don't treat them as human beings???

You're pulling crap out of (edited Admin).

LOL - invictus retooled. 

What a man of God you are.  You guys have no compunction whatsoever about trashing the biblical call for using decent language do you?  What a hypocrite.

I notice you completely disregarded the response I made to your previous point about the "impact" of the "gay agenda."  Typical dodge coming from you.

 

[Ransom]

Bro Blue said:

Ransom, associating with someone in an impersonal way is a whole lot different than being buddy buddy with someone.

And yet, that's exactly what Paul said he didn't mean.  I'll take his word for it, thanks.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

When you preach on any sin, you will offend someone.
Homosexuality is a sin that it being mainstreamed today, as is heterosexual immorality.
Any Bible preacher will address these culturally relevant issues....and call it sin.
We have some homosexuals that frequent our services and they aren't as offended by that as some here seem to be.

 

[jeri fletcher]

  What irks me is the liberal agenda to elevate all that is morally wrong, and destroy all that is morally right in some effort to eliminate the differences between the two. 

If you can take the time, listen to what this guy says... it is very enlightening. 

HERITAGE FOUNDATION: "How Modern Liberals Think"

That explains SO much. Thanks. Dan & I were just talking today and wondering how (certain lost fam. member) can have such lofty goals, yet be incapable of simply recognizing right and wrong.

 

[Just John]

Glee is in large part about desensitizing the culture towards gay relationships and forwarding their agenda.  Do you think that Christians should advocate art with such an anti-Christ message?

What a stupid way to start a thread.

Oh, I know, you are probably serious about calling gay people sodomites, but do you really expect to win anyone when you address sinners like that?

Kind of sensitive aren't you Winnie?  Do you talk with a lisp?  Excessively neat?  Unmarried?

This sounds like Vic!!!

 

[OZZY]

Glee is in large part about desensitizing the culture towards gay relationships and forwarding their agenda.  Do you think that Christians should advocate art with such an anti-Christ message?

What a stupid way to start a thread.

Oh, I know, you are probably serious about calling gay people sodomites, but do you really expect to win anyone when you address sinners like that?

Kind of sensitive aren't you Winnie?  Do you talk with a lisp?  Excessively neat?  Unmarried?

This sounds like Vic!!!

Put them both in a bag of flour and shake them out  you could never tell the difference.

 

[Top]

Vic is among us.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Aviator]
I spent many years mocking, berating, and condemning homosexuals as you and others do.[/quote]

This explains a lot about why you project onto others, just as Bob does.  You saw idiots in Xer land and think that everybody who approximates a position close to something that resembles theirs is just like them.  Talk about stereotyping.

  It is an accepted and expected part of being a fundamental Baptist.  But I no longer see them as the threat to the church you do.  And I don't believe scripture depicts them as such either. 

Well, you'd have to ignore a considerable amount of Scripture to make the claim that sexual sin of a perverse nature is innocuous.  See Romans chapter one for the classic text.

Neither Christ nor Paul nor any of the other New Testament writers spent much time if any on the subject of gays.

Ya know, sometimes I like to yank chains, admittedly, but what I'm about to say is dead serious.  The line of reasoning you just used is textbook pro-homo/liberal reasoning.  How many times does Scripture have to condemn something before it is considered "much time"?

  They are human beings and should be treated as such.

In what way have I advocated treating them as less than human?

  Once I realized that I didn't risk becoming gay simply because I listened to Queen or Elton John, it changed my perspective and my behavior.  I'm not concerned about their "impact" on me because there is no chance, NO CHANCE, that I will ever be attracted to men.  I am not concerned about their "impact" on my church or family because we already know that it is sinful and that it is to be viewed as any other sin.

Your experience is not the measuring stick as to what impact they are having.  Just as is the case when a preacher dares to touch on taboo subjects, like divorce, there's an undercurrent in some corners that wants to hush any preaching against gays.  Such legislation internationally has already been passed, and people like Soul Force and others would love to have such preaching against the sin of sodomy labeled as hate speech.

  I am against laws which legitimize gay marriage, but plain old fornication, divorce, drunkenness, domestic violence, burglary, drug addiction, etc. are far more harmful to society percentage wise, so I won't waste any more of my time giving special attention to the "gay agenda."

It's ludicrous to say that issues like gay marriage and its effects on the definition of marriage aren't major factors in undermining the moral fabric of society.  To have to state that is on its face hard for me to believe.

 

[Winston]

Glee is in large part about desensitizing the culture towards gay relationships and forwarding their agenda.  Do you think that Christians should advocate art with such an anti-Christ message?

What a stupid way to start a thread.

Oh, I know, you are probably serious about calling gay people sodomites, but do you really expect to win anyone when you address sinners like that?

Kind of sensitive aren't you Winnie?  Do you talk with a lisp?  Excessively neat?  Unmarried?

This sounds like Vic!!!

Do you mean Invictus?