Those log cabin churches were certainly optimized for preaching.Imagine those poor American pioneers back in the day worshipping in log cabins…I guess those people never had a chance since the Holy Spirit couldn’t permeate such lowly structures.
Those log cabin churches were certainly optimized for preaching.Imagine those poor American pioneers back in the day worshipping in log cabins…I guess those people never had a chance since the Holy Spirit couldn’t permeate such lowly structures.
Indeed. You realize this discussion is going to turn into a discussion about musical styles. Like architecture, some are better suited to Christian worship than others.A great example of this could be applied to the quality of worship music.
I implied absolutely nothing about style.Indeed. You realize this discussion is going to turn into a discussion about musical styles. Like architecture, some are better suited to Christian worship than others.
You can't get away from it.
Yeah, the musicians had no place to plug in their amps.Those log cabin churches were certainly optimized for preaching.
Depends on what you mean by preaching. Are you suggesting preaching is best in an auditorium with beautiful architecture and a pulpit that hides the body of the preacher is optimized for preaching?Those log cabin churches were certainly optimized for preaching.
True enough if you are purposely striving for aestheticism. If all you have is logs and mud, it's all you have.
Yes, completely agree with you that the Holy Spirit is the agent bringing our intellect and emotion and all of our being into the presence of God through faith. I was combining aesthetics and the notion of our intellect to say that we should not reduce worship to the lowest common denominator and pretend that simplification of the worship experience equals a more pure experience. If we take a look at how God designed his worship in the Old testament via the temple, it shows us a pattern of great complexity and richness of meaning through various crafts and arts, executed with skill (Ps 33:3).A great example of this could be applied to the quality of worship music. The bass player on our worship team is a "top shelf" jazz musician. He's largely responsible for the highly refined sound of the music team. However, as skilled as the team is, they minister so as not to allow their talents and abilities to take center stage. The Holy Spirit is still the Agent of bringing the congregation to the presence of God.
I recall RC Sproul speaking at great length regarding the design of his Church sanctuary which is consistent with a specific pattern and/or function.It's only a style of worship.
My questions are:
"What style is built for preaching?"
"What style helps someone understand the gospel better?"
"What style makes the gospel message understood?"
"What style exalts the preeminence of Christ?"
Our church in Alabama meets in a high school gymnasium.* Our church is high tech with band and worship team.
The preaching/worship is not lacking in that gym. The preaching/worship in the European-style cathedral has zero advantages over the gym. (I am sure this would/should be a great discussion).
*interesting fact, Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple graduated from this high school.
It was noticeably dark when entering. The sanctuary was elegant and rays of light shining in, throughout. The lighting was well done and consistent. Easy to read the hymnals.I recall RC Sproul speaking at great length regarding the design of his Church sanctuary which is consistent with a specific pattern and/or function.
This is from their website
Probably. What is the term for those who take vows of poverty and are very spartan in everything they do?Not trying to quibble, but aestheticism itself is not what I would advocate, as that is a movement of valuing art over utility for the sake of art. You probably didn't mean it that way though, but just wanting to make sure that that is not what you thought I meant. I was using aesthetics in the sense of form and function both being important and complementary.
Austerity.Probably. What is the term for those who take vows of poverty and are very spartan in everything they do?
Probably. What is the term for those who take vows of poverty and are very spartan in everything they do?
You said "Jazz." But it doesn't matter. Talking about architecture is the same as talking about music. It's like love and marriage. Can't talk about one without the other. And talking about music IS talking about styles. Like I said. You brought it up without even thinking because it's so natural to do. And you even said Jazz.I implied absolutely nothing about style.
We must be careful not to Judaize. The Catholics call their ministers 'priests' and have priestly vestments and burn incense and otherwise wrap their services in the outward trappings of the law.Yes, completely agree with you that the Holy Spirit is the agent bringing our intellect and emotion and all of our being into the presence of God through faith. I was combining aesthetics and the notion of our intellect to say that we should not reduce worship to the lowest common denominator and pretend that simplification of the worship experience equals a more pure experience. If we take a look at how God designed his worship in the Old testament via the temple, it shows us a pattern of great complexity and richness of meaning through various crafts and arts, executed with skill (Ps 33:3).
LOL. Or room for a band. The point is that their structures were designed, as all structures are, to facilitate the main operation that was to take place therein.Yeah, the musicians had no place to plug in their amps.
Is the vision of your church to remain in a rented gymnasium? If so, then naturally the design of a building, other than the aspect of group accommodation, is nothing with which you need to concern yourself.Depends on what you mean by preaching. Are you suggesting preaching is best in an auditorium with beautiful architecture and a pulpit that hides the body of the preacher is optimized for preaching?
Isn't it easier to hear and understand a preacher a few feet away?
It seems to me that style governs your idea of optimized preaching rather than the accessibility of word actually being preached.
Sounds right.From the Web site:
Jerome (c. 347-420), interpreted the symbolism of the “four creatures” in Ezekiel 1:5-10, Ezekiel 10:14, and Revelation 4:6-7 to represent the four Gospel writers.
Bought property, but ministry in that school (and thus community) is deep and pervasive. This may be a situation where we stay this way.Is the vision of your church to remain in a rented gymnasium? If so, then naturally the design of a building, other than the aspect of group accommodation, is nothing with which you need to concern yourself.
But, if you guys are going to build, and you have the budget with which to embellish, we'll see which activity is central to your worship.
it;s a beautiful church... .kinda reminds me of mine a little bit.. .. i would check it out if i ever went to florida ..... nice christmas tree.....
those black books in the pew racks are bibles.. ..(i changed the gamma resolution in color sync utility so i could read the cover).... i am assuming the red one is a song book..... . it;s encouraging to see that although i am one of those who believes everyone should take their own bible to church... . and hopefully one in the same language as the sermons and lessons are going to be.....Is the Word taught there?
That is the priority, yes..The preaching is clear, understandable and reaches the soul.
Buildings (places of worship) that allow everyone to hear and see well is primary. Everything else matters not.