A New Theory

16KJV11 said:
I think Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College was in San Dimas and if my memory serves me correct was a BBF college.  I don't think it exists any more, but I might be wrong.
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Yes, PCBBC was in San Dimas.  The property was sold and the school moved to Oklahoma and is now Heartland where Bro. Sam eventually pulled out of the BBF.

Now there is Pacific Baptist College  ( http://www.pacificbaptist.edu ) in the Pomona, CA area that is a BBF school.
 
IFB X-Files said:
16KJV11 said:
I think Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College was in San Dimas and if my memory serves me correct was a BBF college.  I don't think it exists any more, but I might be wrong.
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Yes, PCBBC was in San Dimas.  The property was sold and the school moved to Oklahoma and is now Heartland where Bro. Sam eventually pulled out of the BBF.

Now there is Pacific Baptist College  ( http://www.pacificbaptist.edu ) in the Pomona, CA area that is a BBF school.
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I visited there one time back in 1988 when Pastor Thorpe was there.  Loooong time ago.
 
Vince Massi said:
I don't know if it's still true, but about four years ago, HAC had more pastoral grads in jail for sex crimes with children than every college and university in the Southern Baptist Convention combined.
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Where in the world did you research that information? 

 
RAIDER said:
Vince Massi said:
I don't know if it's still true, but about four years ago, HAC had more pastoral grads in jail for sex crimes with children than every college and university in the Southern Baptist Convention combined.
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Where in the world did you research that information?
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I can't remember, but I did research it today. I typed in the following into Google:

Hyles-Anderson sex criminals had four different sites, none of which has been updated recently, but it  took the lead

Southern Baptist Convention sex criminals--a lot of criticism for cover-up, and a few names

Bob Jones University sex criminals--criticism for their decades-long policy of counseling girls not to report rape at their home church, job, family, etc., but no names from BJU itself.

Tennessee Temple University sex criminals--no names

Maranatha Baptist College--no names

Liberty Baptist University sex criminals--no names. And yet, Liberty has more students than the other four combined.
 
Vince Massi said:
RAIDER said:
Vince Massi said:
I don't know if it's still true, but about four years ago, HAC had more pastoral grads in jail for sex crimes with children than every college and university in the Southern Baptist Convention combined.
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Where in the world did you research that information?
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I can't remember, but I did research it today. I typed in the following into Google:

Hyles-Anderson sex criminals had four different sites, none of which has been updated recently, but it  took the lead

Southern Baptist Convention sex criminals--a lot of criticism for cover-up, and a few names

Bob Jones University sex criminals--criticism for their decades-long policy of counseling girls not to report rape at their home church, job, family, etc., but no names from BJU itself.

Tennessee Temple University sex criminals--no names

Maranatha Baptist College--no names

Liberty Baptist University sex criminals--no names. And yet, Liberty has more students than the other four combined.
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So that is it.  This is the research that I am suppose to believe that "HAC had more pastoral grads in jail for sex crimes with children than every college and university in the Southern Baptist Convention combined."  That is what you decide to trot out as proof?  Really?

Vince do you remember when I wrote this to you?

TidesofTruth said:
But at least have some integrity so those of us who have investigated and continue to watch have someone with some basic integrity to believe and not stretch the pure facts with innuendo and supposition.  Have some personal integrity for goodness sake and don't give it away for expediency. 

Vince I commend you for writing this.
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Well . . .



I take it back.
 
I'm surprised anyone took the post seriously after he said only two pastors committed suicide in a year's time.
 
I looked up a few Southern Baptist names and came up with this:

Rev Billy Graham Never Had A Single Sex Scandal
Posted on February 19, 2013 by Religion Reporter in Religion
US preacher Billy Graham who has been preaching for more than 60 years, has never had a single sex or money scandal, it has emerged.
- See more at: http://www.zimeye.org/rev-billy-graham-never-had-a-single-sex-scandal/#sthash.aKYuraPg.dpuf

W.A. Criswell was personally innocent, but he had two scandals. The pastor of one of Criswell’s mission churches was a serial rapist, and a pastor that Criswell helped promote was later convicted of rape. Criswell actually had little contact with the second pastor. Neither one of them went after children, though.

R.G. Lee had nothing.

I am surprised at how many posters seem to believe that the sins at HAC are no greater than normal. I was surprised myself to learn that there are a lot more SBC sex criminals than I had thought.
 
TidesofTruth said:
Vince Massi said:
I don't know if it's still true, but about four years ago, HAC had more pastoral grads in jail for sex crimes with children than every college and university in the Southern Baptist Convention combined.
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I don't know if it was ever true.  Show me this supposed research.  I find that absolutely inconceivable that this would have actually been legitimately researched.  Sounds more like a Do Right Quote with the veracity of a Ferguson Eye Witness.
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^^^this
 
Vince:  you have too much time on your hands.  Find something else to do. 
 
Still There said:
Vince:  you have too much time on your hands.  Find something else to do.
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we may have another Preable in the making. ::)
 
IMO, I believe a major part is the 1,2,3 repeat after me 4,5,6 hope it sticks false Gospel they have preached for many years. 

I believe what happens is this, you have a person who's life is falling apart and they want a better life and only want to turn over a new leaf rather than giving themselves to Christ and being Born Again. 

You have a person from FBCH/HAC give this person the 1,2,3 repeat after me 4,5,6 hope it sticks false Gospel invite them to church and this person sees the well dressed well spoken seem to be educated people, with the crowd and now you have a lost person that goes to church and mingles with other lost people that have repeated the same "prayer" mingling with each other and so on and so forth. 

The "church" meets 3 times a week and all the other times for other occasions and what you have is a community of lost people and lost people will do what lost people do.  Everything is hidden because of the nice garments and smiles and the amens to the preacher.   
 
Bruh said:
IMO, I believe a major part is the 1,2,3 repeat after me 4,5,6 hope it sticks false Gospel they have preached for many years. 

I believe what happens is this, you have a person who's life is falling apart and they want a better life and only want to turn over a new leaf rather than giving themselves to Christ and being Born Again. 

You have a person from FBCH/HAC give this person the 1,2,3 repeat after me 4,5,6 hope it sticks false Gospel invite them to church and this person sees the well dressed well spoken seem to be educated people, with the crowd and now you have a lost person that goes to church and mingles with other lost people that have repeated the same "prayer" mingling with each other and so on and so forth. 

The "church" meets 3 times a week and all the other times for other occasions and what you have is a community of lost people and lost people will do what lost people do.  Everything is hidden because of the nice garments and smiles and the amens to the preacher. 
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Yes for those who did this Mt 23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Applies.

I will not indict everyone though.  I was reading back at what Bro Hyles preached in the early years when he made the "Let's Go Soulwinning" recording and 1,2,3 was not at all what was taught.  I know many men in those early years who thoroughly taught salvation and made sure that the person understood their lost state, the judgment they were under, and their need for repentance and a Savior who would forgive them.
 
Vince Massi said:
A couple years back, two, and only two, clergy in the US committed suicide. One shot himself as police surrounded his church building to arrest him for child porn. Another hanged himself in his jail cell after he was charged with raping a woman he had picked up at a bar. Both were HAC grads
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Have you been able to support this statement yet or should we just consider it the norm for you?
 
qwerty said:
Vince Massi said:
A couple years back, two, and only two, clergy in the US committed suicide. One shot himself as police surrounded his church building to arrest him for child porn. Another hanged himself in his jail cell after he was charged with raping a woman he had picked up at a bar. Both were HAC grads
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Have you been able to support this statement yet or should we just consider it the norm for you?
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The first one is NOT a HAC grad nor was ever a HAC student.  Of course Massi cares little for fact, he just likes to slander people.
 
qwerty said:
Vince Massi said:
A couple years back, two, and only two, clergy in the US committed suicide. One shot himself as police surrounded his church building to arrest him for child porn. Another hanged himself in his jail cell after he was charged with raping a woman he had picked up at a bar. Both were HAC grads
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Have you been able to support this statement yet or should we just consider it the norm for you?
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Qwerty, you're frequent statements that I am a liar have one solid foundation: you are seeing your own sins in someone else.

Concerning my statements about the two suicides.

At the time, I looked up the churches that both men pastored, and they were both KJO. One forum stated that the one who had the child porn was a HAC graduate, and that police had used this as part of a profile of child-molesting pastors. However, when challenged years later, I can find no trace of that.

I found a professional news source that stated that the one who had hanged himself in a jail cell had attended HAC, but it did not say whether or not he had graduated. I found a blog site that complained that they couldn't find out what college the porn-user had graduated from.

On these forums, some people stated as fact that neither one had attended HAC, and one poster listed the college that one had attended. However, none of them provided documentation, and I cannot find any confirmation (It might be true, but I can't find documentation).

On three occasions, at the end of that year, I had looked up pastoral suicides, and those two names were the only ones that turned up.

No, Qwerty, if I quoted inaccurate sources, it was a mistake. If you wish to find documentation that I am a liar, you will need to look at yourself, because that's the only source you have.
 
Norefund, you do realize that the video you posted mocks the Biblical doctrine that you who judge do the same things.
 
Vince Massi said:
Norefund, you do realize that the video you posted mocks the Biblical doctrine that you who judge do the same things.
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What Biblical doctrine did that clip directly mock?
 
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