rsc2a said:
It's not against topical preaching, but exclusively topical preaching. There is no way to cover the whole council of God when your method is exclusively topical. Your going to miss entire themes God intended.
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It's not against topical preaching, but exclusively topical preaching. There is no way to cover the whole council of God when your method is exclusively topical. Your going to miss entire themes God intended.
You're right. It needs editing.Binaca Chugger said:
rsc2a said:
Good call. I'll edit it. It's probably outside the scope of "abuse of the Bible" anyway.
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This is nice....co- operation and harmony! 
Tarheel Baptist said:This is nice....co- operation and harmony!
Rodney King would have been proud
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Tarheel Baptist said:This is nice....co- operation and harmony!
STINKIN' HOGWASH! YOU'RE NOT RIGHT WITH GOD!
There. I added a little bit of HACkerness to it.
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rsc2a said:
Then you find three sermons that other people preached, memorize them word for word, and hope noone asks for a full week meeting.
pastorryanhayden said:
If there is an entire theme, wouldn't that be a topic?
^^ Probably
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pastorryanhayden said:
Is it becaise there no help coming from God that you need all the help you can get?
Is that mentality because of the pledge at your first link? Then I can see why you are resorting to the power of men and the confidence in the flesh in serving God in that calling by keeping a pledge, but Jesus told you not to do it.
Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
2 Corinthians 11:19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise. 20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.
Philippians 3:1Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. 3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection,
Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
You cannot do His ministry without His help and you certainly cannot do it by keeping a pledge. We serve Him by faith in the Son of God as we are to live by faith in the Son of God in helping us to follow Him by His grace & by His help.
2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Corinthians 4;5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; 9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. 12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.
Enow said:
Are you against taking a stand where scripture takes a stand (2 Peter 1:20-21, 1 Cor. 3:21, 1 Cor. 4:6-7). That's all I'm asking pastors to do. Is it just the word "pledge" that you have a problem with? Have you never asked a pastor to be faithful to the word?
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pastorryanhayden said:
I serve Him by faith in the Son of God so that whenever He leads me to take a stand, I do so only because He enables me, not because of some pledge.
So yes: I have a problem with your cxause when it is not being done by faith in Him but by a man made pledge as if those scripture provided in the previous reply to you was not enough.
It's like this: can a believer take a stand in following Christ by making a promise never to sin again? Sure... he can make a promise but he cannot keep it for by that promise is the knowledge of sin. Worse still, when he does sin, he doubled that sin by breaking the promise not to sin ever again.
Are we the work of His hands or ours? Is His ministry through us is the work of His hands or ours? Is the result of that ministry the work of His hands or ours? Then our taking a stand is the work of His hands and not ours by keeping a pledge to do so.
Do you see how no flesh shall glory in His Presence?
So yes, brother, I agree with your cause, BUT not by HOW you are doing it.
Numbers 30:2 If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
That means God cannot help you keep your pledge. Here's why.
Ecclesiastes 5:1Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil. 2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few. 3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words. 4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed. 5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. 6 Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands? 7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.
Note the underlined in verse 6 as this is why Jesus was saying about not making any oaths or vows or promises that are His to keep in Matthew 5:36 below.
Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. KJV
Psalm 100:33 Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
If there was any warrant in making pledges in serving Him, Jesus and His disciples would be leading the parade in that, but they did not nor taught no such thing, but to live by faith in the Son of God in all things pertaining to God.
I wonder if he is against saying the pledge of allegiance.
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Just John said:
An oath is an oath. It does not matter if it is a blood oath or whatever. Jesus even spoke against swearing in regards to an oath which was the practise done of old times to show the person making the oath how "serious" he or she was in finishing that oath.
You can draw the same amount of attention by just exhorting one another to do good, putting their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd that they will do it by His grace and by His help.
And believe it or not, making a pledge hardly serves as a sure fire method in helping anyone to remember to do good when fallible men and fallible memory comes into play, but Jesus Christ can remind us through the Holy Spirit within us when we trust Him to do it since He is the One actually ministering anyway.
And to top it off, to make an oath to do good tomorrow and the next day and the next is considered as evil boasting.
James 4:13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. 16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. 17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
For the charge of straining at the gnat, there are alot of scripture plainly speaking against it in the NT as well as in the OT to make that charge stick. Those that fear the Lord in regards to respecting Him and His words, will hear this reproof and take the matter to the throne of grace for help in discerning the matter and see the need to ask the Lord for forgiveness, and to be set free from the vanity of those pledges to rest in Him and all of His promises to us because His Covenant says He will do it so that He needs nothing from us except to believe on Him Whom He has sent.
John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
So either we live by faith in the Son of God in living the christian life and thereby testify of Him in seeking His glory in our life or.. we bear witness of ourselves by the deeds of the law of doing good by keeping a pledge to do so and be found false witnesses because of it.
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. 19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law?
Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
Either ask Jesus to be set free in resting in Him and all His promises to us or resort to your own power in living the christian life and in serving Him by keeping a pledge.
2 Timothy 3:1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Remember Promise Keepers movement?
2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
If the OP's exhortation does not wish for it to wind up as a man's folly, then do away with the pledge. We either trust Jesus in His ministry or they are lacking faith in Him to do it which would be the only reason a pledge would be necessary because it is a cause undertaken by men done by keeping a pledge.
pastorryanhayden said:
I am, I pledge no other allegiance except Jesus Christ. I stand out of respect at the national anthem at ball games but I don't put my hand on my heart. That's me, if your conscience doesn't bother you, it's ok. That's not a war I'm willing to die over
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pastorryanhayden said:
Do you take that pledge seriously? Do you believe in that pledge?
Is there liberty & justice for all? No? And what have you done to keep that pledge to that flag and to that one nation with liberty & justice for all?
Is this a nation under God and truly indivisable?
Abortion, the stalement in Congress, the fight over gun control, evolution theory taught as a fact in our children's education, bailing out Wall Street and watch how families lose their homes in spite of the bail out,...need I go on?
Or is that pledge an outright lie and nothing but window dressing on everything that is wrong with our country?
It is an empty pledge. It is so broad and so vain that a single pledger let alone all of the pledgers cannot change the wrongs in this country at all.
You might as well make an empty pledge for everybody to say that you all will pay off the national debt from the richest to the poorest and it will not happen.
So why pledge if no one , and I do mean no one can boast that they have kept that pledge of allegience?
What? Are you all going to say.. it is the thought that counts and that we do not really mean it?
Make that pledge to God and it will not fly with Him at all. Nope.
I am not bound down here to do anything. I am trusting my Lord Jesus Christ to take me when it is time to go at the pre tribulational rapture event because what will befall the earth for those left behind will be a time of trial that will make anyone staying to fight for their lives wish they had never made that pledge of allegience to begin with.
So I suggest to every believer to decide this day Whom or what you will serve: the Lord Jesus Christ to leave when it is time or stay and fight for their country and to save their lives on the earth because of the calamity that will occur afterthe pre trib rapture that will set the stage for the coming great tribulation: WWIII. One third of the earth will be burned up and that will be the entire Western Hemisphere. How else can the prophesied armies of the devil be around for the final battle? You guys want to keep a pledge like that?
If not... ask Jesus to set you free and serve the Lord Jesus Christ because the American way is not the christian way at all.
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Recovering IFB said:
Jesus has no conifidence in your flesh to keep your pledge to Him.
John 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. 24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, 25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
Keeping your pledge to Jesus is not the power in living the christian life. Keeping your faith in the Son of God is that He will help you live the christian life. That is why the Just shall live by faith, but the law is not of faith and those that make those pledges shall live in them and by judged by them.
Which is why it is better to standfast in the liberty which Christ has set us free and be ye not entangle again in any yoke of bondage as we wait for the hope of righteousness by faith in Jesus Christ to do His work in us to follow Him.
That is how we become witnesses of Him by declaring our faith in Him which is to His glory as we follow Him by His grace & by His help whereas a pledge to Him would only testify of us and keeping it is to our glory: not His.
Either we decrease so that He may increase, or risk being false witnesses.
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2 Corinthians 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Keeping a pledge of allegience to Jesus Christ is of the letter: and not of faith in Him.
That is why it is written simply that the just shall live by faith in Jesus Christ.