The genesis of this string of musings was being called a Christian Nationalist in a recent conversation in a different setting. I had pointed out that the Northwest Ordinance mentions the value of "religion and education" and required that any new state would provide facilities for both to their communities. This was the basis for what became the ubiquitous one room school house. The individual I was talking to was definitely pro education while simultaneously being anti religion. Of course that required them to respond as they did.
I have always found it interesting that many of the original colonies collected a "tithe" from their citizens which was used to fund the particular denomination of said colony. This did not change with the ratification of the 1st Amendment. The reason was because the 1A was not applicable to the states.
God or the divine is referenced in every state constitution
God or the divine is mentioned at least once in each of the 50 state constitutions and nearly 200 times overall.www.pewresearch.org
The U.S. Constitution never explicitly mentions God or the divine, but the same cannot be said of the nation’s state constitutions. In fact, God or the divine is mentioned at least once in each of the 50 state constitutions and nearly 200 times overall, according to a Pew Research Center analysis....In addition to the 116 mentions of God, there are also 14 mentions of a Supreme or Sovereign Being, seven mentions of the “Creator,” three mentions of “providence,” four mentions of “divine” and 46 instances of the word “almighty.” While there are 32 mentions of the word “Lord,” all but one refer to “the year of our Lord” and so are not direct references to God. (Indeed, the U.S. Constitution also makes reference to “the year of our Lord.”) There also are seven mentions of the word “Christian.”A handful of state constitutions explicitly prohibit those who do not believe in God from holding public office.
Perhaps it’s because there is no definition of such apart from personal biases. You think an evangelical who supports Trump is a CN.
Oh! THE irony!!!I am amazed by how much you think you know about what I am thinking.
I love irony. It's so ironic.
I have joined some Spaces on X where people who are Orthodox talk Christian Nationalism, they even hint at White Nationalism but denouncing Jews. There are numerous people from Ukraine and Serbia and Croatia who are Christian Nationalists and they push the White racism.Can any Christian join the Christian Nationalist movement? I assume they must be at least nominally Christian. I am more interested in their specific Nationalism.
For example, could a citizen of the Czech Republic or Romania be a Christian Nationalist? I believe that there are more than two hundred countries in the world. While some likely wouldn't see a lot of interest (the Middle East nations?) most have at least a small Christian population that might want to participate.
Of course there is always the possibility of discord between the different lands with an active Christian Nationalist segment of society. Is there any guidance from any international organization or umbrella group to keep things organized and orderly? International immigration could also be a sticky subject. I assume that the Christian Nationalist would need to become deeply loyal to his new nation. Otherwise it would only seem prudent to question the validity of his faith itself.
That brings up the question of the afterlife. Will all those Nations still be recognized as Nations in heaven? If not will the Christian Nationalists have to go through some process to remove the Nationalist part from their religion?
This has been another episode of late night thoughts with Bill.
Interesting. I hadn't thought about race being part of the equation. I had already wondered how nationalism works in the context of "every tribe every nation". Race just makes it that much more silly.
But these people are serious. Look at these X statements by Corey Mahler, a radical XN (Christian Nationalists).
www.motherjones.com
julieroys.com
I don’t agree with those who believe women shouldn’t have the right to vote and I’m not defending Hegseth if that is what he believes. I would only point out that one of the reasons the founding fathers disallowed women the right to vote was the husband was considered the head of the house and he voted for his family. Also a single woman was considered to be under the authority of her father until she married. Just like the idea that women should not wear pants, while true in past generations, it had more to do with the culture than biblical mandates.I think it is interesting to note that Doug Wilson would prefer that Christian women not vote:
Hegseth’s former sister-in-law says he believed women shouldn’t vote
That tracks with the tenets of a religious movement he's involved in.
"What Hegseth does have are connections to the TheoBros, a group of mostly millennial, ultra-conservative men, many of whom proudly call themselves Christian nationalists. . .
"Last year, the magazine Nashville Christian Family ran a profile of Hegseth, in which he mentioned being a member of a 'Bible and book study' that focused on the book My Life for Yours by Doug Wilson, the 71-year-old unofficial patriarch of the TheoBros. Patriarch is the right word: When I interviewed Wilson a few months ago, he said that he, like many other TheoBros, believes women never should have been given the right to vote."
Pastor Doug Wilson Believes Giving Women the Right to Vote Has Hurt Families
Controversial pastor Doug Wilson believes giving women the right to vote has hurt the family, according to a video published last week.
I only mentioned him because he is not ashamed to actually identify as a Christian Nationalist. And IMHO he reasonably approximates what the term actually means, as opposed to the version the libs toss around as a pejorative for anyone who expresses anything remotely Christian and politically conservative in the same conversation, lol.
Thank you. That was very informative.
