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Can any Christian join the Christian Nationalist movement? I assume they must be at least nominally Christian. I am more interested in their specific Nationalism.

For example, could a citizen of the Czech Republic or Romania be a Christian Nationalist? I believe that there are more than two hundred countries in the world. While some likely wouldn't see a lot of interest (the Middle East nations?) most have at least a small Christian population that might want to participate.

Of course there is always the possibility of discord between the different lands with an active Christian Nationalist segment of society. Is there any guidance from any international organization or umbrella group to keep things organized and orderly? International immigration could also be a sticky subject. I assume that the Christian Nationalist would need to become deeply loyal to his new nation. Otherwise it would only seem prudent to question the validity of his faith itself.

That brings up the question of the afterlife. Will all those Nations still be recognized as Nations in heaven? If not will the Christian Nationalists have to go through some process to remove the Nationalist part from their religion?

This has been another episode of late night thoughts with Bill.

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subllibrm said:
That brings up the question of the afterlife. Will all those Nations still be recognized as Nations in heaven? If not will the Christian Nationalists have to go through some process to remove the Nationalist part from their religion?
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How, pray tell, could anyone even attempt to answer these questions?
 
First, the nations are Christ's already. Their magistrates are ministers of God, charged with the punishment of evildoers and praise of them that do well. And we have authority to go into all nations and teach them to observe all things that Christ has commanded.
 
Here is a definition of Christian Nationalism taken from the book "The Case For Christian Nationalism" by Stephen Wolfe:

  • The church looks to the state to suppress heresy;
  • Christianity is given official favor by the state;
  • Church and state are formally united;
  • The state takes active interest in cultivating and protecting Christian doctrine;
  • Religious toleration is extended only so far as the religion in question does not disturb sound order;
  • Non-Christians are subject to a form of second-class dhimmitude;
  • Heretics and non-believers could potentially be executed.
Here's the link (admittedly, this definition is taken from a review of the book by a hostile reviewer). I have not read this book. This post is not intended as an endorsement of the 9 Marks movement or of all the teachings of that movement.

www.9marks.org

Book Review: The Case for Christian Nationalism, by Stephen Wolfe - 9Marks

'The Case for Christian Nationalism' trades the beatific vision for Bible verses at the DMV.
www.9marks.org www.9marks.org

If anybody can come up with a better definition of Christian Nationalism, bring it on. Based on the above definition, I personally do not identify with Christian Nationalism. I suspect that under Christian Nationalism, the magistrate may end up enforcing a Presbyterian/Reformed version of Christianity, possibly including infant baptism. I'm not sure how they feel about these things in Czech Republic or Romania. :cool:
 
What used to be common patriotism practiced by anyone of faith or not is now a point of shame and derision from anti-christianity/anti-america leftists who have labeled it as "Christian Nationalism".
 
subllibrm said:
Can any Christian join the Christian Nationalist movement? I assume they must be at least nominally Christian. I am more interested in their specific Nationalism.

For example, could a citizen of the Czech Republic or Romania be a Christian Nationalist? I believe that there are more than two hundred countries in the world. While some likely wouldn't see a lot of interest (the Middle East nations?) most have at least a small Christian population that might want to participate.

Of course there is always the possibility of discord between the different lands with an active Christian Nationalist segment of society. Is there any guidance from any international organization or umbrella group to keep things organized and orderly? International immigration could also be a sticky subject. I assume that the Christian Nationalist would need to become deeply loyal to his new nation. Otherwise it would only seem prudent to question the validity of his faith itself.

That brings up the question of the afterlife. Will all those Nations still be recognized as Nations in heaven? If not will the Christian Nationalists have to go through some process to remove the Nationalist part from their religion?

This has been another episode of late night thoughts with Bill.

🙂
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Billy does your mommy know you’re back online feeding your obsession?
 
Ekklesian said:
A Christian Nationalist as defined by whom?
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Sub has NO actual idea.
When he says Christian Nationalist, it means Trump voter.
It seems to me if he had any self awareness he’d know that his obsession with this is a tad embarrassing.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Interview with Doug Wilson about Christian Nationalism
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This Doug Wilson guy is a very controversial figure in Moscow ID. Moscow is home to University of Idaho so as you can imagine it has a very strong leftist pull. I think Doug picked Moscow in order to confront the liberal contingent there. Of course, local media roasts him every chance they get.

I've never met him but some of the things he does and says do seem a bit antagonistic. Admittedly, most of what someone is likely to hear is filtered through the leftist media.
 
This is where I am proudly and unashamedly, a BAPTIST!

One of the core Baptist distinctives is the Separation of Church and State which emerged from the "Free Churcch" movement and non-conformists who refused any state sanction and therefore insisted that they existed Independently from the state.

The Wikipedia page is a good start if you need to read up on the subject Nonconformists.

I like what RC Sproul has said regarding the subject: He says "The State should not try to be the Church nor should the Church try to be the state but is is very much acceptable for the Church to admonish the State to be the State and to do the job for which God has appointed them.

Regarding Nationalism, I am proudly American and a Navy veteran who has served this country! I want it to remain free and to remain a great place to live for my kids and grandkids. However, my citizenship is in Heaven and I am to be a Christian FIRST AND FOREMOST!!!

All of this talk of nationalism is because of Trump and his "Make America Great Again" message with the lefty loony media outlets spinning this to say "American Exclusivism" and a "Nationalism" that is similar to that which existed in Germany during the rise of Hitler. It takes very little research to realize such is not the case at all! Making America "Great Again" is not to be at the expense of the other nations! As a matter of fact, we would be better off if the Mexican Government decided to "Make Mexico Great Again" and Canada was to "Make Canada Great Again!" It would be to our benefit if our closest neighbors were more our "economic equals" and the playing field were more level!

Check out this news conference clip with President Trump and India's Prime Minister. Modi gets it and I really hope he does "Make India Great Again!"

 
Yes, Doug Wilson is very controversial. I personally would not want to be identified with him. After reading the interview posted above, I couldn't really see where Doug got around to defining Christian Nationalism, but his view seemed to be more moderate (or less extreme) than that of Stephen Wolfe. This article takes the same view.

religionnews.com

The second coming of Doug Wilson

(RNS) — Conservatives are elevating long-controversial Idaho pastor Doug Wilson, framing him as a champion of a relatively moderate form of Christian nationalism — but critics say his ideas remain extreme.
religionnews.com religionnews.com

For those wondering why Doug Wilson is controversial, this article is a review of some of the controversies swirling around Doug:

www.vice.com

Inside the Church That Preaches ‘Wives Need to Be Led with a Firm Hand’

Evangelical pastor Douglas Wilson wrote that men “conquer” and women “surrender.” Christ Church survivors are starting to speak out.
www.vice.com www.vice.com

The Truth About Moscow web site is a resource for all things anti-Doug:

moscowid.net

The Truth About Moscow

moscowid.net moscowid.net

Those who want to get Doug's side of the story can check out his own web site, Blog and Mablog. (I don't endorse Doug, and am posting this for informational purposes only.

dougwils.com

Blog & Mablog

Blog & Mablog is cyber-cave of Adullam, a place of welcome for the outcasts of Judah, who think something is seriously cock-eyed about the modern world.
dougwils.com dougwils.com

Meanwhile, we are still looking for a working definition of Christian Nationalism. According to the libs and Demon-crats, anyone who opposes abortion and gay marriage, and believes that human rights are given by God, is a Christian Nationalist - and they don't mean it as a compliment. By that definition, I'm a Christian Nationalist, but I reject all the baggage from the Westminster Confession about magistrates enforcing the true faith. And I don't want to be put in the same category as Stephen Wolfe, Doug Wilson or Nick Fuentes.
 
Baptist Renegade said:
This is where I am proudly and unashamedly, a BAPTIST!

One of the core Baptist distinctives is the Separation of Church and State which emerged from the "Free Churcch" movement and non-conformists who refused any state sanction and therefore insisted that they existed Independently from the state.

The Wikipedia page is a good start if you need to read up on the subject Nonconformists.

I like what RC Sproul has said regarding the subject: He says "The State should not try to be the Church nor should the Church try to be the state but is is very much acceptable for the Church to admonish the State to be the State and to do the job for which God has appointed them.

Regarding Nationalism, I am proudly American and a Navy veteran who has served this country! I want it to remain free and to remain a great place to live for my kids and grandkids. However, my citizenship is in Heaven and I am to be a Christian FIRST AND FOREMOST!!!

All of this talk of nationalism is because of Trump and his "Make America Great Again" message with the lefty loony media outlets spinning this to say "American Exclusivism" and a "Nationalism" that is similar to that which existed in Germany during the rise of Hitler. It takes very little research to realize such is not the case at all! Making America "Great Again" is not to be at the expense of the other nations! As a matter of fact, we would be better off if the Mexican Government decided to "Make Mexico Great Again" and Canada was to "Make Canada Great Again!" It would be to our benefit if our closest neighbors were more our "economic equals" and the playing field were more level!

Check out this news conference clip with President Trump and India's Prime Minister. Modi gets it and I really hope he does "Make India Great Again!"

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What you and Illinois guy perfectly articulated is what most of us believe. Sub has painted himself in the corner and is arguing against a straw man.
 
I wonder what Roger Williams would think about all this? 🤔
 
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