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[standingtall]

I guess that means that the devil rules over the insignificant little slice of Fundamentalism that makes a big deal out of it.

Exactly.  A good majority of Christians don't even realize there is a controversy over bible versions.  It's only those who have had exposure to the hyper-fundie side of things that know about it.

 

[Izdaari]

This is the moment I need some solid proof. I have a pastor who says it doesn't matter also, but for consistency the Church uses the King James. This consistency probably makes the older members happy also. Still, pastors and evangelist in my past have beat fear into my head that the the King James is the only Bible for a Christian to use as final authority. So, again, this is the moment for solid proof: What can be shared that shows the danger of the King James and the benefit of the newer version? Something simple and effective.

Guess what?  You won't get it.  Stop searching for it.  You can plainly see that everyone has their own opinion, and there are those who believe their opinion in a "divine revelation".  That's bullcrap.  I'll say it again, God DOESN'T CARE.  Let it go.  Moping around on the forums darn sure isn't going to "cure" your misery.

How could God not care when it is vitally important to read, study and believe His Holy Word?

I am a stupid person who needs things broken down into clear simple words. I am not the only one like this, many are simple minded. So, God has provided for me His Holy Word that is only found perfect in the originals long gone and destroyed and made available in multiple translated versions creating doubt? Seems like His Pure Words are gone and we survive on fragments. So, when someone like myself finds God knocking on his heart I am left to rely on man for instruction since pure words from God are gone. Sure, I can read my choice of translation, and do what I feel is best for my life in His hands .... but it will always be tarnished from pure truth and life in God.

Unless ... we do have a blessed translation ... hmmmmm .... it could be the King James! 

The quest for the Pure Words of God is a snare and a delusion. They do not exist and will not be found. God never intended for us to have His exact words. He wants us to focus on the deeper meaning of what He said, not on the precise wording and semantic quibbles.

Even if we had a unified and undoubted set of original manuscripts to work with, a perfect translation is, by the nature of translation, impossible. Even God Himself could not do a perfect translation, unless He embedded a miracle into the words, so that the readers would miraculously understand all the nuances and idioms of the original language. And that is definitely not true of the King James. It is a good translation, state of the art for 1611, but not miraculous in that way.

 

[Miller]

Timmeh! whined:

Manufactured? When you turn to Matthew 18:10 in the NIV you find that verse number 11 is not there.

Yes, manufactured. You're dishonestly making it sound like some huge thing has been removed from the Bible. Why don't you quote Luke 19:10 to us from the NIV, Timmeh!?

A few months ago I started to tell a Jewish co-worker about Jesus. They quickly asked questions about the many different Bible versions. I shared that I stick to the King James and told him the many Bibles available don't change the core message. So, I don't believe the translation issue small or manufactured. I believe it is big and created by the devil to cast doubt on the blessed message of Hope from God. Perhaps God uses each version for good, but I believe each version can also cast doubt on His Word.

My pastor says that the issue shouldn't be an issue for those solid in the faith. We should use whatever Bible to share the gospel. But, still, when you present a God who never changes to a world looking at our many versions of His Word you quickly can see this isn't a small issue.

So why not learn Greek and Hebrew? If you want to stick with what God said, then stick with what God said. You don't need some modern translation like the King James that didn't come around until about 1600 years AFTER the time of Christ.

 

[Miller]

Timmeh! whined:

Manufactured? When you turn to Matthew 18:10 in the NIV you find that verse number 11 is not there.

Yes, manufactured. You're dishonestly making it sound like some huge thing has been removed from the Bible. Why don't you quote Luke 19:10 to us from the NIV, Timmeh!?

A few months ago I started to tell a Jewish co-worker about Jesus. They quickly asked questions about the many different Bible versions. I shared that I stick to the King James and told him the many Bibles available don't change the core message. So, I don't believe the translation issue small or manufactured. I believe it is big and created by the devil to cast doubt on the blessed message of Hope from God. Perhaps God uses each version for good, but I believe each version can also cast doubt on His Word.

My pastor says that the issue shouldn't be an issue for those solid in the faith. We should use whatever Bible to share the gospel. But, still, when you present a God who never changes to a world looking at our many versions of His Word you quickly can see this isn't a small issue.

I love the KJV, but also other versions.  I have a KJV study bible that explains what the archaic words mean.  To be fair, a new Christian could misunderstand or totally miss the meaning of some of these words.  I have heard countless KJVO preachers "interpret" archaic words in their sermons.  I believe God has preserved His word through all the versions I use: KJV, ESV, HCSB, NASB, NET, NKJV, NLT.  I do treat the NLT more as a commentary.  It seems to me that the KJVO people are guilty of casting doubt on the newer versions.  Some of the idiots burn other versions, stomp on them, etc.  Now how do you think that plays with a new Christian that just got saved under the preaching of one of those versions?  I don't care what version you use, so why is it such a big deal with KJVO?

I remember once a preacher called the NIV the HIV. I suppose being under that sort of preaching in the past naturally created inside me a negative feeling toward the other Bible versions. I always found the long standing relevance of the King James important for my choosing to use it. That, and the fact that so many great men of the past use it. I have been taught that the Textus Receptus is the text that has been used for 2,000 years by Christians, so I assume the King James is the best since it isn't based on the Minority Text.

So many versions are available today, how can I know that the one I choose is God's preserved word? It seems that the King James is one of the only versions that takes away the doubt for me as I use it.

But, then again, my personal depression and anguish toward the faith I have also surrounds my understanding of Biblical text. I don't believe the King James is the only available preserved text, but how can so many preserved text be available? It is confusing for others, not just myself, and God isn't the author of confusion.

Then why not stick with the Geneva version? It too is based on the TR and it was considered the Word of God until that Johnny-Come-Lately KJV came along. Oh how I wish that folks stuck with the Word of God in the Geneva Bible and did not fall for Satan's lies in the more modern versions that came along after 1600.