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"If you aren't stockpiling (food, fuel, ammo, gold, etc)  to prepare for the coming economic collapse, then you are neglecting your Christian duty as a husband and father and are worse than an unbeliever"
 
"Son, you know what would be a really good idea? Think up about 40-50 usernames, and use them to just keep grinding out inane posts on an Internet forum like you're the King of the Land of Schizophrenia."
 
I don't think I was ever given bad advice as a Christian that had a traumatic impact on my life. Probably because I recognized it as bad and didn't take it. Sorry, can't share, too personal.
 
Doesn't the Bible actually say NOT to test God? (Deuteronomy 6:16 Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah. ).
 
Timothy said:
What was the worst advice that you have ever received as a christian?

Something that really had a traumatic impact on your life.
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My guess for you is when someone told you to "be yourself".  ???
 
wheatpenny said:
Doesn't the Bible actually say NOT to test God? (Deuteronomy 6:16 Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah. ).
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Deut 6:16
16 Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

Mal 3:10
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Deut 6:16 refers to Israel trying God's patience by their sin.  Mal 3:10 refers to putting faith to the test to see God keep His word.

Two completely different contexts and root words are in use in these two passages.


 
Worst advice I ever received with (thankfully) I did not follow:  A church I was attending was short of funds for a new building project, so the pastor urged every family to take a $5000 cash advance on their credit card to put the project back on track.  We didn't do it, and were not attending there after that unscriptural push.
 
Give it all Sunday.  Give 100% of your income instead of the usual 10% demanded.

Wait you said something "that had a traumatic impact on my life." 

Never mind I did not give it.
 
I didn't invest in Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker's Heritage USA.

To think I could'a had a Condo there! Dang!

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Timothy said:
What was the worst advice that you have ever received as a christian?

Something that really had a traumatic impact on your life.
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Trust my husband.
 
You need to invest in American Eagle coins!

Live your dream, join Amway!  You could reach Diamond with your potential. 
 
JrChurch said:
Bob L said:
I didn't invest in Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker's Heritage USA.



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Whoa.  Who applies eye make-up with an ice cream scoop?
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I remember when the Heritage Village scandel was going on, and Jim and Tammy Faye were locked out and not allowed entry. Johnny Carson told a joke about Tammy Faye trying to sneak in  but she got caught when the maskera alarm went off. LOL!
 
At that time Mr. Pastor said Mal 3:10 was the one time we are told to test God and I believed him. He said God would never go back on his word, so if I tested him with a tithe God would provide .... since that time Mr. Pastor has proven to me and my wife some of his true spiritual colors. We are gone from his leadership. But, long story short, we started paying a tithe expecting God to lift us from financial hardships. Didn't go so well.
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One of the greatest travesties in Christendom is the false teaching that giving to God will guarantee financial prosperity.  When God said to prove Him in Mal 3:10, this was not a carte blanche blank check of supply.  Were that the case, every tither would have million dollar incomes.  But, when we give by faith, we are saying that our love for God is greater than our own desires, and our trust in His supply is greater than our trust in our own ability to meet our own needs.  Many times we have seen God meet needs in unexpected places that have nothing to do with an increase in income; everything from a washer that lasts 30 years when people around us have to replace theirs after 10 years, cars getting unexpectedly good gas mileage when it was really needed, health that saved on medical bills others might have, rebates and refunds we didn't know were coming, gifts of food, and the list goes on. 

Trusting God doesn't mean getting rich, and I'm sorry if you were taught that. 

Tithing (or giving above a tithe) won't negate bad decisions.  If you are being charged 23% interest on $10,000 worth of credit card debt, giving to the Lord's work will not change the poor stewardship decisions you have made.  (I'm not saying that was what was happening to you, just citing this as an example).

God knows the heart.  God knows the motivation.  God knows our integrity.

You can trust Him to meet your daily needs ("Give us this day our daily bread"), but He never promised financial success to every tither, despite what the prosperity gospel proponents would have you believe.
 
Timothy said:
Wisdoms Friend said:
One of the greatest travesties in Christendom is the false teaching that giving to God will guarantee financial prosperity.  When God said to prove Him in Mal 3:10, this was not a carte blanche blank check of supply.  Were that the case, every tither would have million dollar incomes.  But, when we give by faith, we are saying that our love for God is greater than our own desires, and our trust in His supply is greater than our trust in our own ability to meet our own needs.  Many times we have seen God meet needs in unexpected places that have nothing to do with an increase in income; everything from a washer that lasts 30 years when people around us have to replace theirs after 10 years, cars getting unexpectedly good gas mileage when it was really needed, health that saved on medical bills others might have, rebates and refunds we didn't know were coming, gifts of food, and the list goes on. 

Trusting God doesn't mean getting rich, and I'm sorry if you were taught that. 

Tithing (or giving above a tithe) won't negate bad decisions.  If you are being charged 23% interest on $10,000 worth of credit card debt, giving to the Lord's work will not change the poor stewardship decisions you have made.  (I'm not saying that was what was happening to you, just citing this as an example).

God knows the heart.  God knows the motivation.  God knows our integrity.

You can trust Him to meet your daily needs ("Give us this day our daily bread"), but He never promised financial success to every tither, despite what the prosperity gospel proponents would have you believe.
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But here is the million dollar question: What comes first? Paying the tithe or fulfilling the promised obligation to pay off an earthly debt? If I learn about tithing, but my poor stewardship gives me nothing left over for a tithe, should I take care of this earthly debt first before the tithe? Perhaps just give what I can; knowing that once the debt is finished, or more money is available, I will then pay the tithe.
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My answer: I don't believe tithing is an obligation for Christians. It's a good idea, but not an obligation. Give generously when you can afford to, maybe even more than 10%. Legalism is bad, 'k?
 
Izdaari said:
My answer: I don't believe tithing is an obligation for Christians. It's a good idea, but not an obligation. Give generously when you can afford to, maybe even more than 10%. Legalism is bad, 'k?
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Exactly.  The 10% "tithe" is used as a pressure tactic by local churches.  Too many folks given a guilt trip to fork up $$$ as a way to "pay back God". 

The local congregation we attend has a "stewardship month" every February for that purpose.  Sermons are used to drive home the "point" and cards are passed out during the services asking people how much they will be giving. 

We don't attend at all during that month, and I feel no guilt about it.
 
As a 16 year old who had discovered how to really pray I began to discuss it with a local pastor. This guy had a reputation as an up and comer, was getting invites to preach around the country, and had taken his church from 30 to 400 in seven years. I was explaining to him how precious that time with the Lord was and he cut me off by saying, 'You'll never find intimacy with Christ.'

Whoa.

I probably shouldn't have answered him back, but it just came out: 'Too late. I already have.'

In retrospect, it didn't surprise me at all to discover later that at that point in his life he had already been seeking intimacy in places he never should have, and was out of the ministry for a long time as a result.
 
Izdaari said:
Timothy said:
Wisdoms Friend said:
One of the greatest travesties in Christendom is the false teaching that giving to God will guarantee financial prosperity.  When God said to prove Him in Mal 3:10, this was not a carte blanche blank check of supply.  Were that the case, every tither would have million dollar incomes.  But, when we give by faith, we are saying that our love for God is greater than our own desires, and our trust in His supply is greater than our trust in our own ability to meet our own needs.  Many times we have seen God meet needs in unexpected places that have nothing to do with an increase in income; everything from a washer that lasts 30 years when people around us have to replace theirs after 10 years, cars getting unexpectedly good gas mileage when it was really needed, health that saved on medical bills others might have, rebates and refunds we didn't know were coming, gifts of food, and the list goes on. 

Trusting God doesn't mean getting rich, and I'm sorry if you were taught that. 

Tithing (or giving above a tithe) won't negate bad decisions.  If you are being charged 23% interest on $10,000 worth of credit card debt, giving to the Lord's work will not change the poor stewardship decisions you have made.  (I'm not saying that was what was happening to you, just citing this as an example).

God knows the heart.  God knows the motivation.  God knows our integrity.

You can trust Him to meet your daily needs ("Give us this day our daily bread"), but He never promised financial success to every tither, despite what the prosperity gospel proponents would have you believe.
Click to expand...

But here is the million dollar question: What comes first? Paying the tithe or fulfilling the promised obligation to pay off an earthly debt? If I learn about tithing, but my poor stewardship gives me nothing left over for a tithe, should I take care of this earthly debt first before the tithe? Perhaps just give what I can; knowing that once the debt is finished, or more money is available, I will then pay the tithe.
Click to expand...

My answer: I don't believe tithing is an obligation for Christians. It's a good idea, but not an obligation. Give generously when you can afford to, maybe even more than 10%. Legalism is bad, 'k?
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Good answer.  I give a tithe not because I have to but because I want to.  So many who are against tithing give pennies on the thousands but I am for tithing not as a law or obligation but as a good way of helping with the ministry and God has blessed and I am not suffering because I gave.
 
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