Women keeping silence in church

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For the churches that do not permit women to speak in church, I wonder if they sing Fanny Crosby hymns or 67 verses of "Just As I Am".
 
voicecrying said:
For the churches that do not permit women to speak in church, I wonder if they sing Fanny Crosby hymns or 67 verses of "Just As I Am".
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This is one verse that has been taken out of context so many times that it has caused me to start disregarding the statements of most people who bring it up! I especially hate it when some bloviating jackass gets up in the pulpit and starts inserting his own meaning into the verse. It makes these "pastors" look like what they truly are...idiots!
 
voicecrying said:
For the churches that do not permit women to speak in church, I wonder if they sing Fanny Crosby hymns or 67 verses of "Just As I Am".
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It's funny that every single church I was ever in had women sing special music. How is that not speaking in the congregation?
 
I was in a church (non-denominational, not IFB) where women were not allowed to speak in church, and yes, we did sing hymns written by woman authors, and we had musical solos by women. Not only that, but one day the pastor gave an exception to the rule and had a woman member speak to us in church as an exhortation. She had a message from God, saying that the reason we had not been able to buy a church building yet was because we had not taken good care of the pastor first by buying him a nice parsonage. The pastor already owned a nice ranch home in a nice part of town, but that wasn't good enough. The church ended up buying him a bigger house with acreage, but at least we were able to meet in the house instead of a motel conference room. To raise the money for his own parsonage, the pastor browbeat and bullied all the men to get second mortgages on their own homes.

I don't pretend to have any definitive answers as to what Paul meant in 1 Corinthians 14:34 when he said, "Let your women keep silence in the churches." I would note that in verse 35 Paul said the women should wait to get home before asking their husbands questions. This would appear to indicate that whatever it was that was banned, the ban applied to married women only. It may be a ban on married women publicly challenging the authority and headship of their husbands, by bickering with them over theological issues. It may be a reference to women loudly creating disruptions in the service, in the manner of the heathen religions of Corinth, or a ban on them speaking in tongues. In 1 Corinthians 11:5 Paul appears to approve of women praying and prophesying in the church, as long as their heads are covered. Seems to me, it would be difficult for women to prophesy in the church without some form of verbal communication on their part.
 
illinoisguy said:
I was in a church (non-denominational, not IFB) where women were not allowed to speak in church, and yes, we did sing hymns written by woman authors, and we had musical solos by women. Not only that, but one day the pastor gave an exception to the rule and had a woman member speak to us in church as an exhortation. She had a message from God, saying that the reason we had not been able to buy a church building yet was because we had not taken good care of the pastor first by buying him a nice parsonage. The pastor already owned a nice ranch home in a nice part of town, but that wasn't good enough. The church ended up buying him a bigger house with acreage, but at least we were able to meet in the house instead of a motel conference room. To raise the money for his own parsonage, the pastor browbeat and bullied all the men to get second mortgages on their own homes.

I don't pretend to have any definitive answers as to what Paul meant in 1 Corinthians 14:34 when he said, "Let your women keep silence in the churches." I would note that in verse 35 Paul said the women should wait to get home before asking their husbands questions. This would appear to indicate that whatever it was that was banned, the ban applied to married women only. It may be a ban on married women publicly challenging the authority and headship of their husbands, by bickering with them over theological issues. It may be a reference to women loudly creating disruptions in the service, in the manner of the heathen religions of Corinth, or a ban on them speaking in tongues. In 1 Corinthians 11:5 Paul appears to approve of women praying and prophesying in the church, as long as their heads are covered. Seems to me, it would be difficult for women to prophesy in the church without some form of verbal communication on their part.
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If read in context, it's in regards to speaking in tongues. It could also envelop prophesying in church...but, when bloviating buttheads bring their beliefs into the verse instead of letting it say what it says in context to the whole passage, they shouldn't be in the pulpit. They should be back in their books studying so they don't seem so stupid.
 
illinoisguy said:
I was in a church (non-denominational, not IFB) where women were not allowed to speak in church, and yes, we did sing hymns written by woman authors, and we had musical solos by women. Not only that, but one day the pastor gave an exception to the rule and had a woman member speak to us in church as an exhortation. She had a message from God, saying that the reason we had not been able to buy a church building yet was because we had not taken good care of the pastor first by buying him a nice parsonage. The pastor already owned a nice ranch home in a nice part of town, but that wasn't good enough. The church ended up buying him a bigger house with acreage, but at least we were able to meet in the house instead of a motel conference room. To raise the money for his own parsonage, the pastor browbeat and bullied all the men to get second mortgages on their own homes.

I don't pretend to have any definitive answers as to what Paul meant in 1 Corinthians 14:34 when he said, "Let your women keep silence in the churches." I would note that in verse 35 Paul said the women should wait to get home before asking their husbands questions. This would appear to indicate that whatever it was that was banned, the ban applied to married women only. It may be a ban on married women publicly challenging the authority and headship of their husbands, by bickering with them over theological issues. It may be a reference to women loudly creating disruptions in the service, in the manner of the heathen religions of Corinth, or a ban on them speaking in tongues. In 1 Corinthians 11:5 Paul appears to approve of women praying and prophesying in the church, as long as their heads are covered. Seems to me, it would be difficult for women to prophesy in the church without some form of verbal communication on their part.
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D. A. Carson wrote a book on this passage and shows definitively that it was in relation to Prophecies in the church. Women could not be elders, and therefore could not judge the prophecies that were spoken in the church.
 
illinoisguy said:
The church ended up buying him a bigger house with acreage, but at least we were able to meet in the house instead of a motel conference room. To raise the money for his own parsonage, the pastor browbeat and bullied all the men to get second mortgages on their own homes.
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I’d have outrun Usain Bolt out the door….
 
illinoisguy said:
I was in a church (non-denominational, not IFB) where women were not allowed to speak in church, and yes, we did sing hymns written by woman authors, and we had musical solos by women. Not only that, but one day the pastor gave an exception to the rule and had a woman member speak to us in church as an exhortation. She had a message from God, saying that the reason we had not been able to buy a church building yet was because we had not taken good care of the pastor first by buying him a nice parsonage. The pastor already owned a nice ranch home in a nice part of town, but that wasn't good enough. The church ended up buying him a bigger house with acreage, but at least we were able to meet in the house instead of a motel conference room. To raise the money for his own parsonage, the pastor browbeat and bullied all the men to get second mortgages on their own homes.

I don't pretend to have any definitive answers as to what Paul meant in 1 Corinthians 14:34 when he said, "Let your women keep silence in the churches." I would note that in verse 35 Paul said the women should wait to get home before asking their husbands questions. This would appear to indicate that whatever it was that was banned, the ban applied to married women only. It may be a ban on married women publicly challenging the authority and headship of their husbands, by bickering with them over theological issues. It may be a reference to women loudly creating disruptions in the service, in the manner of the heathen religions of Corinth, or a ban on them speaking in tongues. In 1 Corinthians 11:5 Paul appears to approve of women praying and prophesying in the church, as long as their heads are covered. Seems to me, it would be difficult for women to prophesy in the church without some form of verbal communication on their part.
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RUN!!!!!!!!
 
I suppose that you are soft enough to be in favor of letting a previously divorced man become deacons too?



😉
 
voicecrying said:
For the churches that do not permit women to speak in church, I wonder if they sing Fanny Crosby hymns or 67 verses of "Just As I Am".
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Once the abuses of the Church in Corinth are understood, the command for women to be silent will be understood.

This wasn't written to the Romans, or to the Galatians or Colossians.

But to a church that suffered the sin of incest in one set of its members.

My first memories of a pastor is of a woman pastor. I only remember her as Sister Foster. She started a Sunday school during WWII. Qualified men were overseas. My grandmother was saved in Foster's Sunday school, and when my grandfather returned from Europe, so was he.

After the war, when the surviving men returned, they organized into a church, but they retained Foster as a pastor, under the authority of the elders. She pastored until her death in the early 70s. She was succeded by a man, who pastored 40 years, who was then succeded by my cousin, who is still serving.
 
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Ekklesian said:
Once the abuses of the Church in Corinth are understood, the command for women to be silent will be understood.

This wasn't written to the Romans, or to the Galatians or Colossians.

But to a church that suffered the sin of incest in one set of its members.

My first memories of a pastor is of a woman pastor. I only remember her as Sister Foster. She started a Sunday school during WWII. Qualified men were overseas. My grandmother was saved in Foster's Sunday school, and when my grandfather returned from Europe, so was he.

After the war, when the surviving men returned, they organized into a church, but they retained Foster as a pastor, under the authority of the elders. She pastored until her death in the early 70s. She was succeeded by a man, who pastored 40 years, who was then succeeded by my cousin, who is still serving.
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I thought a few weeks ago you said you were a Baptist. Sorry…I’ve never heard of a female Baptist pastor, and you’re talking about way back in the WW2 era? I’m sure somewhere it can be found, but color me skeptical.
 
Huk said:
I thought a few weeks ago you said you were a Baptist. Sorry…I’ve never heard of a female Baptist pastor, and you’re talking about way back in the WW2 era? I’m sure somewhere it can be found, but color me skeptical.
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I wasn't always Baptist, and my parents never were. But that changes nothing about the meaning and intent of 1 Corinthians 14.
 
Ransom said:
1 Corinthians 14 has meaning. It's a profound meaning. it's the best meaning. Trust him, you guise.
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LOL. I do love the way you couch your ad hominem in pompous vanity.

I would invite you to an engagement on the meaning, but I predict you would cop out, appealing to some virtue in lieu of your unpreparedness. ;)
 
Ekklesian said:
LOL. I do love the way you couch your ad hominem in pompous vanity.

I would invite you to an engagement on the meaning, but I predict you would cop out, appealing to some virtue in lieu of your unpreparedness. ;)
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And your condescending arrogance will be revealed once again.
 
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