Why was Dr. Jack Hyles & Dr. Joe Boyd ....

[bgwilkinson]

I remember hearing the great R G Lee preach "Payday Someday" at Pastors School in 1976 or 1977. Seems odd looking back that Hyles would invite a Southern Baptist pastor to preach from behind his pulpit, especially after him rail about how terrible the convention churches were.

It was his schtick.

He was always looking for a fight in his early days.

A good fight always got people stirred up so they were easier to control.

 

[Bravo]

I remember hearing the great R G Lee preach "Payday Someday" at Pastors School in 1976 or 1977. Seems odd looking back that Hyles would invite a Southern Baptist pastor to preach from behind his pulpit, especially after him rail about how terrible the convention churches were.

It was his schtick.

He was always looking for a fight in his early days.

A good fight always got people stirred up so they were easier to control.

A rallying point of sorts then? Looking back I guess that makes sense.

 

[breslau]

Iit'sf that's true then the pastor of FBC Dallas at the time was W.A. Criswell. Hard to believe that he was the driving force because Dr. Hyles maintained a friendship with him over the years. There seems to have been someone else behind the whole thing.

W.A. Criswell was a lightning rod between independent Baptists. The story is told that John R. Rice & Bob Jones Jr. had strong disagreement when Dr. Rice wanted to have Dr. Criswell speak at a Sword conference.

FBC Dallas has been the dominant SBC church in the county for more than 100 years.  Maybe the SBC and KGB  conspired against Hyles.  The story of his supposed expulsion has those little "Linda" exaggerations.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Iit'sf that's true then the pastor of FBC Dallas at the time was W.A. Criswell. Hard to believe that he was the driving force because Dr. Hyles maintained a friendship with him over the years. There seems to have been someone else behind the whole thing.

W.A. Criswell was a lightning rod between independent Baptists. The story is told that John R. Rice & Bob Jones Jr. had strong disagreement when Dr. Rice wanted to have Dr. Criswell speak at a Sword conference.

FBC Dallas has been the dominant SBC church in the county for more than 100 years.  Maybe the SBC and KGB  conspired against Hyles.  The story of his supposed expulsion has those little "Linda" exaggerations.

Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

[Vince Massi]

I remember hearing the great R G Lee preach "Payday Someday" at Pastors School in 1976 or 1977. Seems odd looking back that Hyles would invite a Southern Baptist pastor to preach from behind his pulpit, especially after him rail about how terrible the convention churches were.

NoValue, you have a valid point, but let me explain the 1970's thinking. Rice and Hyles fully agreed with Southern Baptist theology--it was the compromising and liberalism they disagreed with. Both continued to spèak in SBC churches. Rice published sermons in the Sword from R.G. Lee, Criswell, and others.  Hyles had R. G. Lee preach at both the church and the college. He also had his former pastor (who was still SBC) teach the adult Sunday School class on a big day. They disagreed about how to deal with the compromises, with Criswell and Lee believing that they should stay inside the SBC and fight for God's Word, rather than separate.

 

[prophet]

The part 3, about he and Joe Boyd founding a separate group within the Convention never came up, but it would explain a lot, if it is true. And if it is true, he never told us about it.

It is true. Joe Boyd told me that story in the early 90's. They held meetings for the Texas Premillennial Baptist Fellowship on some big college campus for a couple of years. This would have been in the early/mid 50's.

I think it was at these meetings that John R Rice and Hyles met up.  If not Rice, it was someone with a big name.  Hyles would tell the story of this big name preacher being asked to speak at the fellowship.  The response was: "But Jack, I'm not even a premillenialist!"  After the session, he told JH that he is now.  Again, I think this was Rice, but not certain.

That was Roloff, who switched eschatological viewpoints after sittng through the first few sessions of their week long prophecy conference.

He went to an amillenial school, and was, up to that point, an amillenialist.