What will really change?

fishinnut said:
Smellin Coffee said:
fishinnut said:
I do NOT see Trump bowing down to other world leaders like Obama.

I expect to see law enforcement respected & backed instead of those who are criminal in their behavior and then claim they are the victims.

I expect the military to be resected &strengthened instead of Obama's dismantling and social engineering.

I do not think the Trump will travel the world apologizing for what America's mistakes.

I do not think that Trump will travel to other countries pushing the so-called gay agenda.

Class, culture and dignity at the White House instead of rappers radicals being praised & held up a as role models.

Respect for America our constitution & Americans will return to the office.

Rebuilding America instead of breaking our financial backbones.

Respect for Christians again.

So much more.................

I like you brother, but this is WAY off base.

I do NOT see Trump bowing down to other world leaders like Obama.

There is this thing called "negotiation" in which one must give something to receive something. And you mean it is wrong for a leader to act in humility in deference to others? Seems Christlike to me.

I expect to see law enforcement respected & backed instead of those who are criminal in their behavior and then claim they are the victims.


So you are for abuse of power? Criminals have all rights until proven guilty. They should not be shot just because they are a suspect.

I expect the military to be resected &strengthened instead of Obama's dismantling and social engineering.

Is this about his pulling out of the Iran? Why are we there anyway? Oh, and didn't Bush put a time limit on them and Obama kept Bush's promise?

I do not think the Trump will travel the world apologizing for what America's mistakes.

So the American leader should not act like Christ taught, that of humility?

I do not think that Trump will travel to other countries pushing the so-called gay agenda.

It is about human rights and dignity. It is about treating gay people, ethnic minorities and women as everybody else. "Pushing the gay agenda" means "don't murder people because they are gay". (FYI, Hillary was hypocritical here, talking about equal rights yet taking funds from oppressive governments.)

Class, culture and dignity at the White House instead of rappers radicals being praised & held up a as role models.

Where was the Obama scandal concerning his immoral behavior? His guests? Well, now we have an immoral president who brags about his sexual predatory behavior, doesn't offer remorse for saying it, cheated on his wives, mocks disabled people, etc. And you think that is "class, culture and dignity?"

Respect for America our constitution & Americans will return to the office.

You mean like the inscription on the Statue of Liberty? "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Nah, he would rather wall in the country, militarize the police force and restrict constitutional rights such as the practice of the Muslim religion. Sounds like his plan is to take away American democracy and make it communistic instead of the other way around.

Rebuilding America instead of breaking our financial backbones.

I think it was the last Republican President who left the country in a recession and the current Democratic one to right the ship. Not that everything is perfect, because it isn't. But the ship is in better condition now than when he took the helm.

Respect for Christians again.

What about respect for ALL people, including immigrants, Muslims and gays? Or are they not of the same value as Christians?

Friend, I don't think you realize this, but you are talking about Trump bringing about Christian Nationalism. That tears at the very democracy around which this country was formed.

Besides, Trump has one goal in mind: Win at all costs. He got the Christian vote so don't be surprised (assuming there is a second term), Christians get thrown by the wayside within the next 8 years. Not saying it WILL happen, but it would not surprise me if it did.
As I remember Teri bit off a few pickle ends of pastors school lunches. But it looks to me like you've been into the whole liberal lunch and swallowed it and now your regurgitating it here on the FFF. Weren't you the guy that told me that you respected my vote?

#MakeAmericagreatagain!


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I can respectfully disagree with you, Friend. :)

I don't hold your vote against you, because I trust that you came to your voting decision as carefully, prayerfully, and seriously as I did mine.

Consider though the election was after the revelation of the following:

* Trump's public exposure of degradation of women, including the sexual objectifying of his own daughter.
* His encouragement with his supporters to physically attack those who oppose his side.
* He advocated for the profiling of Muslims. What if he had said the same about Christians?
* He publicly made fun of a man because of his physical disabilities.
* He criticized the weight, appearance and menstrual activities of his female opponents within his own party.
* He accepted without confrontation, the support of neo-extremist groups like the KKK.

Maybe none of that mattered to your vote. That's OK. Everybody has different criteria in the end. The question is not "Who did you vote for?" but rather "Are you willing to stand against Trump in the above matters" and publicly decry these things? Will you stand against him on behalf of women? Muslims? Disabled? Blacks? Will you stand against his hiring of Bannon who is a racist? (Imagine if Obama hired Jeremiah Wright for his staff...)

So friend, I respect your decision even though I happen to disagree. But in the end, it doesn't matter. What does matter is this: are we willing to publicly and vocally stand against Trump in his treatment of the marginalized or will we support his bully pulpit simply because of Republican politics?

 
What will really change?
Obama will leave government in January.
The end of an error!


 
Smellin Coffee said:
fishinnut said:
Smellin Coffee said:
fishinnut said:
I do NOT see Trump bowing down to other world leaders like Obama.

I expect to see law enforcement respected & backed instead of those who are criminal in their behavior and then claim they are the victims.

I expect the military to be resected &strengthened instead of Obama's dismantling and social engineering.

I do not think the Trump will travel the world apologizing for what America's mistakes.

I do not think that Trump will travel to other countries pushing the so-called gay agenda.

Class, culture and dignity at the White House instead of rappers radicals being praised & held up a as role models.

Respect for America our constitution & Americans will return to the office.

Rebuilding America instead of breaking our financial backbones.

Respect for Christians again.

So much more.................

I like you brother, but this is WAY off base.

I do NOT see Trump bowing down to other world leaders like Obama.

There is this thing called "negotiation" in which one must give something to receive something. And you mean it is wrong for a leader to act in humility in deference to others? Seems Christlike to me.

I expect to see law enforcement respected & backed instead of those who are criminal in their behavior and then claim they are the victims.


So you are for abuse of power? Criminals have all rights until proven guilty. They should not be shot just because they are a suspect.

I expect the military to be resected &strengthened instead of Obama's dismantling and social engineering.

Is this about his pulling out of the Iran? Why are we there anyway? Oh, and didn't Bush put a time limit on them and Obama kept Bush's promise?

I do not think the Trump will travel the world apologizing for what America's mistakes.

So the American leader should not act like Christ taught, that of humility?

I do not think that Trump will travel to other countries pushing the so-called gay agenda.

It is about human rights and dignity. It is about treating gay people, ethnic minorities and women as everybody else. "Pushing the gay agenda" means "don't murder people because they are gay". (FYI, Hillary was hypocritical here, talking about equal rights yet taking funds from oppressive governments.)

Class, culture and dignity at the White House instead of rappers radicals being praised & held up a as role models.

Where was the Obama scandal concerning his immoral behavior? His guests? Well, now we have an immoral president who brags about his sexual predatory behavior, doesn't offer remorse for saying it, cheated on his wives, mocks disabled people, etc. And you think that is "class, culture and dignity?"

Respect for America our constitution & Americans will return to the office.

You mean like the inscription on the Statue of Liberty? "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Nah, he would rather wall in the country, militarize the police force and restrict constitutional rights such as the practice of the Muslim religion. Sounds like his plan is to take away American democracy and make it communistic instead of the other way around.

Rebuilding America instead of breaking our financial backbones.

I think it was the last Republican President who left the country in a recession and the current Democratic one to right the ship. Not that everything is perfect, because it isn't. But the ship is in better condition now than when he took the helm.

Respect for Christians again.

What about respect for ALL people, including immigrants, Muslims and gays? Or are they not of the same value as Christians?

Friend, I don't think you realize this, but you are talking about Trump bringing about Christian Nationalism. That tears at the very democracy around which this country was formed.

Besides, Trump has one goal in mind: Win at all costs. He got the Christian vote so don't be surprised (assuming there is a second term), Christians get thrown by the wayside within the next 8 years. Not saying it WILL happen, but it would not surprise me if it did.
As I remember Teri bit off a few pickle ends of pastors school lunches. But it looks to me like you've been into the whole liberal lunch and swallowed it and now your regurgitating it here on the FFF. Weren't you the guy that told me that you respected my vote?

#MakeAmericagreatagain!


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I can respectfully disagree with you, Friend. :)

I don't hold your vote against you, because I trust that you came to your voting decision as carefully, prayerfully, and seriously as I did mine.

Consider though the election was after the revelation of the following:

* Trump's public exposure of degradation of women, including the sexual objectifying of his own daughter.
* His encouragement with his supporters to physically attack those who oppose his side.
* He advocated for the profiling of Muslims. What if he had said the same about Christians?
* He publicly made fun of a man because of his physical disabilities.
* He criticized the weight, appearance and menstrual activities of his female opponents within his own party.
* He accepted without confrontation, the support of neo-extremist groups like the KKK.

Maybe none of that mattered to your vote. That's OK. Everybody has different criteria in the end. The question is not "Who did you vote for?" but rather "Are you willing to stand against Trump in the above matters" and publicly decry these things? Will you stand against him on behalf of women? Muslims? Disabled? Blacks? Will you stand against his hiring of Bannon who is a racist? (Imagine if Obama hired Jeremiah Wright for his staff...)

So friend, I respect your decision even though I happen to disagree. But in the end, it doesn't matter. What does matter is this: are we willing to publicly and vocally stand against Trump in his treatment of the marginalized or will we support his bully pulpit simply because of Republican politics?
I'm up to my gills with listening to the liberal media nitpicking, penny-ante, politically correct, namby-pamby, "I don't like what he said" liberals and those who continue  quote their rhetoric.

Like it or lump it anyway you can Smellin. Maybe you should go get one of those therapy dogs that college campuses are bringing on to coddle all the poor little sorry poor losers on their campuses.

You sound like the stinking mayor of New York City yesterday saying the same stuff you're talking about.

I don't see it the way you see it and neither does OUR President elect.


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fishinnut said:
Smellin Coffee said:
fishinnut said:
Smellin Coffee said:
fishinnut said:
I do NOT see Trump bowing down to other world leaders like Obama.

I expect to see law enforcement respected & backed instead of those who are criminal in their behavior and then claim they are the victims.

I expect the military to be resected &strengthened instead of Obama's dismantling and social engineering.

I do not think the Trump will travel the world apologizing for what America's mistakes.

I do not think that Trump will travel to other countries pushing the so-called gay agenda.

Class, culture and dignity at the White House instead of rappers radicals being praised & held up a as role models.

Respect for America our constitution & Americans will return to the office.

Rebuilding America instead of breaking our financial backbones.

Respect for Christians again.

So much more.................

I like you brother, but this is WAY off base.

I do NOT see Trump bowing down to other world leaders like Obama.

There is this thing called "negotiation" in which one must give something to receive something. And you mean it is wrong for a leader to act in humility in deference to others? Seems Christlike to me.

I expect to see law enforcement respected & backed instead of those who are criminal in their behavior and then claim they are the victims.


So you are for abuse of power? Criminals have all rights until proven guilty. They should not be shot just because they are a suspect.

I expect the military to be resected &strengthened instead of Obama's dismantling and social engineering.

Is this about his pulling out of the Iran? Why are we there anyway? Oh, and didn't Bush put a time limit on them and Obama kept Bush's promise?

I do not think the Trump will travel the world apologizing for what America's mistakes.

So the American leader should not act like Christ taught, that of humility?

I do not think that Trump will travel to other countries pushing the so-called gay agenda.

It is about human rights and dignity. It is about treating gay people, ethnic minorities and women as everybody else. "Pushing the gay agenda" means "don't murder people because they are gay". (FYI, Hillary was hypocritical here, talking about equal rights yet taking funds from oppressive governments.)

Class, culture and dignity at the White House instead of rappers radicals being praised & held up a as role models.

Where was the Obama scandal concerning his immoral behavior? His guests? Well, now we have an immoral president who brags about his sexual predatory behavior, doesn't offer remorse for saying it, cheated on his wives, mocks disabled people, etc. And you think that is "class, culture and dignity?"

Respect for America our constitution & Americans will return to the office.

You mean like the inscription on the Statue of Liberty? "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Nah, he would rather wall in the country, militarize the police force and restrict constitutional rights such as the practice of the Muslim religion. Sounds like his plan is to take away American democracy and make it communistic instead of the other way around.

Rebuilding America instead of breaking our financial backbones.

I think it was the last Republican President who left the country in a recession and the current Democratic one to right the ship. Not that everything is perfect, because it isn't. But the ship is in better condition now than when he took the helm.

Respect for Christians again.

What about respect for ALL people, including immigrants, Muslims and gays? Or are they not of the same value as Christians?

Friend, I don't think you realize this, but you are talking about Trump bringing about Christian Nationalism. That tears at the very democracy around which this country was formed.

Besides, Trump has one goal in mind: Win at all costs. He got the Christian vote so don't be surprised (assuming there is a second term), Christians get thrown by the wayside within the next 8 years. Not saying it WILL happen, but it would not surprise me if it did.
As I remember Teri bit off a few pickle ends of pastors school lunches. But it looks to me like you've been into the whole liberal lunch and swallowed it and now your regurgitating it here on the FFF. Weren't you the guy that told me that you respected my vote?

#MakeAmericagreatagain!


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I can respectfully disagree with you, Friend. :)

I don't hold your vote against you, because I trust that you came to your voting decision as carefully, prayerfully, and seriously as I did mine.

Consider though the election was after the revelation of the following:

* Trump's public exposure of degradation of women, including the sexual objectifying of his own daughter.
* His encouragement with his supporters to physically attack those who oppose his side.
* He advocated for the profiling of Muslims. What if he had said the same about Christians?
* He publicly made fun of a man because of his physical disabilities.
* He criticized the weight, appearance and menstrual activities of his female opponents within his own party.
* He accepted without confrontation, the support of neo-extremist groups like the KKK.

Maybe none of that mattered to your vote. That's OK. Everybody has different criteria in the end. The question is not "Who did you vote for?" but rather "Are you willing to stand against Trump in the above matters" and publicly decry these things? Will you stand against him on behalf of women? Muslims? Disabled? Blacks? Will you stand against his hiring of Bannon who is a racist? (Imagine if Obama hired Jeremiah Wright for his staff...)

So friend, I respect your decision even though I happen to disagree. But in the end, it doesn't matter. What does matter is this: are we willing to publicly and vocally stand against Trump in his treatment of the marginalized or will we support his bully pulpit simply because of Republican politics?
I'm up to my gills with listening to the liberal media nitpicking, penny-ante, politically correct, namby-pamby, "I don't like what he said" liberals and those who continue  quote their rhetoric.

Like it or lump it anyway you can Smellin. Maybe you should go get one of those therapy dogs that college campuses are bringing on to coddle all the poor little sorry poor losers on their campuses.

You sound like the stinking mayor of New York City yesterday saying the same stuff you're talking about.

I don't see it the way you see it and neither does OUR President elect.


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Wow...you were answered graciously and intelligently and you came back with a rant. Maybe you need the therapy.
 
Smellin and I have been friends for years. But I do not think that the president elect needs to be trashed anymore before going into the office based on info that is skewed toward by the liberal media mindset.  All that was done before the election and it's over now.

Besides, this is the Fighting forum.


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fishinnut said:
Smellin and I have been friends for years. But I do not think that the president elect needs to be trashed anymore before going into the office based on info that is skewed toward by the liberal media mindset.  All that was done before the election and it's over now.

Besides, this is the Fighting forum.


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I hope I'm wrong about his potential harm, but if you notice, his public track record concerning his treatment of women is what it is. His statements concerning starting a registry to record and monitor all Christians Muslims strikes at the fundamental principle of the freedom of religion. He publicly mocked a disabled person. He encouraged violence toward supporters of his opponents. THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORD WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE! Does this mean he will act this way in office? Not necessarily, but the track record indicates severe human rights and moral issues could happen during his term(s) in office.

Oh, and wasn't Obama "trashed" before going into office (birthers)? Or is it okay when such "trashing" is one-sided?

I honestly don't see how all this is "liberal thinking"; looking at previous behavior as a potential pattern for what might come to pass. Walling in borders while militarizing police forces and forcing a registry of people of a certain religion, that is scary stuff. Even if he doesn't do it, this is what he said he was going to do. Obama or Clinton never said they were coming after everyone's guns. Granted, their policies might have made things seem they were, but they never platformed such an idea. Yet Trump has publicly declared building a nation in the form of a communist state. If it was simply propaganda to get some votes with no teeth behind it, the idea the government will start taking over is now politically acceptable and this by the party that claims to want "less governmental involvement" in the lives of its citizens.

I hope the Trump tiger has no teeth. I hope Trump IS successful in helping our country. His failure is now our (and by extension, my) failure as a country and I certainly don't want to see that happen. But if the Trump tiger does have teeth, expect the beginning the removal of freedoms this country has always offered.

If the ball gets rolling with Trump's ideals, imagine how far the extreme liberals in future administrations will take the power Trump has given the government and then just might start removing guns from people's homes. Though Trump might not (yet) be driving this car, it appears he is starting the engine.
 
Smellin Coffee said:
fishinnut said:
Smellin and I have been friends for years. But I do not think that the president elect needs to be trashed anymore before going into the office based on info that is skewed toward by the liberal media mindset.  All that was done before the election and it's over now.
Besides, this is the Fighting forum.
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I hope I'm wrong about his potential harm, but if you notice, his public track record concerning his treatment of women is what it is. His statements concerning starting a registry to record and monitor all Christians Muslims strikes at the fundamental principle of the freedom of religion. He publicly mocked a disabled person. He encouraged violence toward supporters of his opponents. THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORD WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE! Does this mean he will act this way in office? Not necessarily, but the track record indicates severe human rights and moral issues could happen during his term(s) in office.

Oh, and wasn't Obama "trashed" before going into office (birthers)? Or is it okay when such "trashing" is one-sided?
I honestly don't see how all this is "liberal thinking"; looking at previous behavior as a potential pattern for what might come to pass. Walling in borders while militarizing police forces and forcing a registry of people of a certain religion, that is scary stuff. Even if he doesn't do it, this is what he said he was going to do. Obama or Clinton never said they were coming after everyone's guns. Granted, their policies might have made things seem they were, but they never platformed such an idea. Yet Trump has publicly declared building a nation in the form of a communist state. If it was simply propaganda to get some votes with no teeth behind it, the idea the government will start taking over is now politically acceptable and this by the party that claims to want "less governmental involvement" in the lives of its citizens.

I hope the Trump tiger has no teeth. I hope Trump IS successful in helping our country. His failure is now our (and by extension, my) failure as a country and I certainly don't want to see that happen. But if the Trump tiger does have teeth, expect the beginning the removal of freedoms this country has always offered.
If the ball gets rolling with Trump's ideals, imagine how far the extreme liberals in future administrations will take the power Trump has given the government and then just might start removing guns from people's homes. Though Trump might not (yet) be driving this car, it appears he is starting the engine.
Trump has said he would work with congress not go around it like Obama did.

Trump said he does not like some of the SCOTUS decisions over the past few years, but said they are done. Obama & Clinton promised to do everything they could with executive orders to get around the SC.

Trump said he want to hear the views of all sides, Obama made no such promise.

Trump wants to enforce our laws (immigration and others) Obama refused to.

Obama has promised to uphold the Constitution and appoint judges who will do the same.
Hillary promised to try to change it where she feels it is outdated or appoint judges to reinterpret it.

Our country is more divided today than any time since the 60's. That happened with 8 years of Obama not 8 months of Trump giving speeches. Obama has pent more money than all the prevous presidents combined and look at our country, Obama says he will rebuild our roads, bridges, and other infrastructure. Time will tell on this one.
 
sword said:
Smellin Coffee said:
fishinnut said:
Smellin and I have been friends for years. But I do not think that the president elect needs to be trashed anymore before going into the office based on info that is skewed toward by the liberal media mindset.  All that was done before the election and it's over now.
Besides, this is the Fighting forum.
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I hope I'm wrong about his potential harm, but if you notice, his public track record concerning his treatment of women is what it is. His statements concerning starting a registry to record and monitor all Christians Muslims strikes at the fundamental principle of the freedom of religion. He publicly mocked a disabled person. He encouraged violence toward supporters of his opponents. THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORD WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE! Does this mean he will act this way in office? Not necessarily, but the track record indicates severe human rights and moral issues could happen during his term(s) in office.

Oh, and wasn't Obama "trashed" before going into office (birthers)? Or is it okay when such "trashing" is one-sided?
I honestly don't see how all this is "liberal thinking"; looking at previous behavior as a potential pattern for what might come to pass. Walling in borders while militarizing police forces and forcing a registry of people of a certain religion, that is scary stuff. Even if he doesn't do it, this is what he said he was going to do. Obama or Clinton never said they were coming after everyone's guns. Granted, their policies might have made things seem they were, but they never platformed such an idea. Yet Trump has publicly declared building a nation in the form of a communist state. If it was simply propaganda to get some votes with no teeth behind it, the idea the government will start taking over is now politically acceptable and this by the party that claims to want "less governmental involvement" in the lives of its citizens.

I hope the Trump tiger has no teeth. I hope Trump IS successful in helping our country. His failure is now our (and by extension, my) failure as a country and I certainly don't want to see that happen. But if the Trump tiger does have teeth, expect the beginning the removal of freedoms this country has always offered.
If the ball gets rolling with Trump's ideals, imagine how far the extreme liberals in future administrations will take the power Trump has given the government and then just might start removing guns from people's homes. Though Trump might not (yet) be driving this car, it appears he is starting the engine.
Trump has said he would work with congress not go around it like Obama did.

Trump said he does not like some of the SCOTUS decisions over the past few years, but said they are done. Obama & Clinton promised to do everything they could with executive orders to get around the SC.

Trump said he want to hear the views of all sides, Obama made no such promise.

Trump wants to enforce our laws (immigration and others) Obama refused to.

Obama has promised to uphold the Constitution and appoint judges who will do the same.
Hillary promised to try to change it where she feels it is outdated or appoint judges to reinterpret it.

Our country is more divided today than any time since the 60's. That happened with 8 years of Obama not 8 months of Trump giving speeches. Obama has pent more money than all the prevous presidents combined and look at our country, Obama says he will rebuild our roads, bridges, and other infrastructure. Time will tell on this one.

Despite the fact the Republicans in Congress consistently stonewalled Obama all the way through his presidency, why wouldn't he try to subvert them when he deemed he could do it?

Clinton and Obama said they would subvert the SC with executive orders? I don't recall them saying that. Can you post a link to an actual quote? Regardless, if it was true they said that, aren't they displaying the "honesty" Trump gets credit for when he talks about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it?

Trump said he wants to hear from all sides. Is he listening to those who are confronting his hiring of racists for his administration?

Enforcing laws? So making Muslims register is "enforcing laws"?

Hillary and the SC justices - you are probably right. No argument from me. She clearly subverted democracy in the election process so there is no way she wouldn't do the same in the Oval Office.

Concerning division, people who are being oppressed have had the ability to be more open with the witness of cameras on phones and social media, showing the horrible police shootings. These have been going since the beginning of our country but white people in general have not been privy to the horrors blacks face every day. So yeah, perhaps there is more visible division, but the cause of the divide has always been there. You can't build your house on a fault line then wonder how it split apart during an earthquake.

Concerning Obama stats, the economy is in better shape than when he took over. Gas prices lower. Employment rate up. More people have health insurance including millions who could not obtain it at all before. Is everything idea? Certainly not. Is Obama the sole reason for these stats? Nope. It takes decades to see harm and good that a President does. For example, one of the most horrible decisions which caused more racial oppression was the welfare reform program put in by Bill Clinton. It has done more to oppress black since Reagan's "war on drugs" program. Clinton has since admitted as such, claiming he didn't know the long-term affect. Be that as it may, the point I'm making is it takes a decade or two to really evaluate the success/failure of a President.
 
There should be a 10 year moratorium on ALL immigration.
 
Smellin Coffee said:
I hope I'm wrong about his potential harm, but if you notice, his public track record concerning his treatment of women is what it is. His statements concerning starting a registry to record and monitor all Christians Muslims strikes at the fundamental principle of the freedom of religion. He publicly mocked a disabled person. He encouraged violence toward supporters of his opponents. THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORD WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE! Does this mean he will act this way in office? Not necessarily, but the track record indicates severe human rights and moral issues could happen during his term(s) in office.

Currently, it is the fanatical 18-24 year old Muslim males that are involved in the terrorist activity, so I have no problem with keeping an eye on Muslims in this country.  Certainly there are some who don't subscribe to the terrorist dogma.  I would also expect people like Obama's former pastor (Jeremiah Wright, I think) to be monitored when the preach anti-US hate.
 
RAIDER said:
The Republicans have the Presidency, the House, and the Senate.  As during every campaign many promises were made.  We know that several Republicans don't care much for Trump.  Will they work with him to get things done, or will they cross the aisle to make a point?  Will he use Executive Orders?  What campaign promises will he fulfill?  Hacker Nation, when we look back 4 years from now, what things will have changed?


What ever the change, trust me it will be HUGE!
 
Bruh said:
RAIDER said:
The Republicans have the Presidency, the House, and the Senate.  As during every campaign many promises were made.  We know that several Republicans don't care much for Trump.  Will they work with him to get things done, or will they cross the aisle to make a point?  Will he use Executive Orders?  What campaign promises will he fulfill?  Hacker Nation, when we look back 4 years from now, what things will have changed?


What ever the change, trust me it will be YUGE!

That's better.
 
Walt said:
Smellin Coffee said:
I hope I'm wrong about his potential harm, but if you notice, his public track record concerning his treatment of women is what it is. His statements concerning starting a registry to record and monitor all Christians Muslims strikes at the fundamental principle of the freedom of religion. He publicly mocked a disabled person. He encouraged violence toward supporters of his opponents. THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORD WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE! Does this mean he will act this way in office? Not necessarily, but the track record indicates severe human rights and moral issues could happen during his term(s) in office.

Currently, it is the fanatical 18-24 year old Muslim males that are involved in the terrorist activity, so I have no problem with keeping an eye on Muslims in this country.  Certainly there are some who don't subscribe to the terrorist dogma.  I would also expect people like Obama's former pastor (Jeremiah Wright, I think) to be monitored when the preach anti-US hate.

Wright isn't Muslim and would be considered "Christian" in terms of general religion (in the eyes of the US government). So you would be OK with you and your family having to register with the government on a "Christian Watch List Registry" because of the likes of Wright or Westboro activists?
 
Smellin Coffee said:
Walt said:
Smellin Coffee said:
I hope I'm wrong about his potential harm, but if you notice, his public track record concerning his treatment of women is what it is. His statements concerning starting a registry to record and monitor all Christians Muslims strikes at the fundamental principle of the freedom of religion. He publicly mocked a disabled person. He encouraged violence toward supporters of his opponents. THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORD WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE! Does this mean he will act this way in office? Not necessarily, but the track record indicates severe human rights and moral issues could happen during his term(s) in office.

Currently, it is the fanatical 18-24 year old Muslim males that are involved in the terrorist activity, so I have no problem with keeping an eye on Muslims in this country.  Certainly there are some who don't subscribe to the terrorist dogma.  I would also expect people like Obama's former pastor (Jeremiah Wright, I think) to be monitored when the preach anti-US hate.

Wright isn't Muslim and would be considered "Christian" in terms of general religion (in the eyes of the US government). So you would be OK with you and your family having to register with the government on a "Christian Watch List Registry" because of the likes of Wright or Westboro activists?

Or having to close your family bakery or photography studio because you stood on your religious principle!
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Smellin Coffee said:
Walt said:
Smellin Coffee said:
I hope I'm wrong about his potential harm, but if you notice, his public track record concerning his treatment of women is what it is. His statements concerning starting a registry to record and monitor all Christians Muslims strikes at the fundamental principle of the freedom of religion. He publicly mocked a disabled person. He encouraged violence toward supporters of his opponents. THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORD WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE! Does this mean he will act this way in office? Not necessarily, but the track record indicates severe human rights and moral issues could happen during his term(s) in office.

Currently, it is the fanatical 18-24 year old Muslim males that are involved in the terrorist activity, so I have no problem with keeping an eye on Muslims in this country.  Certainly there are some who don't subscribe to the terrorist dogma.  I would also expect people like Obama's former pastor (Jeremiah Wright, I think) to be monitored when the preach anti-US hate.

Wright isn't Muslim and would be considered "Christian" in terms of general religion (in the eyes of the US government). So you would be OK with you and your family having to register with the government on a "Christian Watch List Registry" because of the likes of Wright or Westboro activists?

Or having to close your family bakery or photography studio because you stood on your religious principle!

Yep.

Though I think those businesses are wrong to discriminate, they should have the legal right to put their religious beliefs into practice and the government should NOT require them to accept situations that would violate their religious principles. So whether the bakery chooses to deny service to homosexuals, white supremacists or even people who wear green shirts, because of their persona religious principle, it should be their right to refuse and the government should not mandate them to provide those services. Nor should they be required to "register" on a watch list of any kind.
 
Right now Trump is in the best position to start, he has taken on both parties and taken no prisoners. Dems have to be more worried at this point. In 2018, 33 senate seats are up for grab, 25 are democrats and most are in red state. If President Trump cuts taxes, redo trade deals and bring jobs back to the USA, the democrats are in trouble.

The democrats can support Trump and his bills, or the conservatives in those states can vote them out if they try to stop Trump. And if the senators support Trump, the left may not support their reelections  or either try to have candidates more liberal  run against them in a democratic primary.

Another thing with the liberal media not reporting the news but being anti trump in the public eyes, Trump can bypass them. Like he did yesterday when he produced his youtube for the first 100 days in office.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/democrats-search-answers-stem-spreading-republican-tide-111317153.html
 
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