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What is the Gospel?
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After 121 posts, UGC cannot give a clear understanding of the Gospel.
In fact, he rejects repentance, which Jesus and the apostles which is necessary for salvation.
He behaves as an unbeliever. He rejects the biblical meaning of repentance and prefers the secular meaning.
In fact, he rejects repentance, which Jesus and the apostles which is necessary for salvation.
He behaves as an unbeliever. He rejects the biblical meaning of repentance and prefers the secular meaning.
Metanoia is a quick word to define. Unlike your mental abilities. (That means they're slow)
Wrong. You don't "do" anything but believe on Christ for your salvation (Acts 16:31), unless you want to negate all of the Salvation verses in the Bible like a paradoxical dweeb.
That crapola private interpretation of the word "metanoia" just shoehorned works into Salvation, essentially concluding "repentance is reforming your life: it's you DOING ALONG WITH changing your mind". So they formed a new word by combining 2 together and added to the Bible "meta-do-noia".
The correct way to understand what metanoia means is to take the original definition (change of mind), and read it IN CONTEXT with whatever verse you find it in.
Notice how that's how those pseudo-academics with rocks for brains got it wrong: they were understanding "change of mind" by twisting a verse out of context, thinking that verse was talking about "changing your mind from living a sinful lifestyle", and then BACKWARDS reading their out-of-context definition of it into their "Lexicons". WRONG. A Lexicon should give you the original definition, that's it. A Lexicon is not for your eisegesis. That is not the way "change of mind" is used IN CONTEXT in regards to salvation in the Bible. Blinded works salvation pharisees. Hell is your destination until you ACTUALLY repent.
And before 121 posts, UGC gave it but Oofgh here ignored it.
While repentance is definitely part of the Gospel message, it is often misunderstood.
Repentance is about relationship. It not involves a change of mind for the sinner but also a change of mind in Deity. God changing His mind about the individual sinner. Not that "metanoia" doesn't mean more. It does.
To answer the OP.
The Gospel is ALL about Jesus Christ. There is no Gospel without Him. I read a couple pages of this thread and failed to see that mentioned to any degree.
Just another witness to the apostasy that entered humanity.
You're the ignorant clown here.
Are you unaware that "repentance" is translated from one of 3 Greek words each time it's used in the New Testament?
The 1st, metanoia, means to "change your mind".
The 2nd, metamelomai, means "to regret, be sorry".
The 3rd (I'll let you find this one since you need practice) means "irrevocable".
Every time it is used in reference to eternal salvation, it's metanoia, which does not carry the same definition as the other 2.
Here's where both metamelomai (a different word) and metanoia is translated using the same English word Repentance:
"For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent [regret / feel sorrow], though I did repent [regret / feel sorrow]: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance [change of mind]: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing." -2 Cor. 7:8-9
Notice the context here is them repenting (changing their mind) from doing a sin Paul warned them would have caused them severe chastening, and that the context is NOT salvation: he's speaking to already saved people.
"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." -1 Cor. 5:5
Of course, a pompous ignoramus like you who doesn't know the Bible, only your collection of low-IQ pharisees you read, most of whom were alive before electricity was invented, wouldn't know this.
Did you even read what you wrote?
You quoted 2 Cor. 7:8-9 and ignored..... "ye were made sorry after a godly manner,"
True repentance with God includes regret. It is an intimate thing for BOTH.... God and man to be of the same mind. Many people "change their mind"... its a "Holy Thing" when God gets involved in repentance.
As we can see here, even Strong's, which overall does better on average in terms of sticking to the original definition of words instead of shoehorning Catholic redefinitions of them into their dictionary (which is backwards: you should be using the original definition from the dictionary to understand the Bible, not using your theology to change the dictionary), still makes an error in at least one place with metanoia:
As we can see, in this case they combined the definition of "metamelomai" with "metanoia" (notice how metamelomai did not come up in this particular search).
So even the best of the dictionaries, Strong's (despite still having the original definition of metanoia elsewhere), still can make errors at times, as every KJVO knows: which is why it's always best to study the Bible FIRST and not wring your neck on the Greek as Dumb and Dumber here who didn't even understand the 2 other definitions and Biblical uses of the word "repentance" in the Bible.
As we can see, in this case they combined the definition of "metamelomai" with "metanoia" (notice how metamelomai did not come up in this particular search).
So even the best of the dictionaries, Strong's (despite still having the original definition of metanoia elsewhere), still can make errors at times, as every KJVO knows: which is why it's always best to study the Bible FIRST and not wring your neck on the Greek as Dumb and Dumber here who didn't even understand the 2 other definitions and Biblical uses of the word "repentance" in the Bible.
You are completely not paying attention. Go somewhere else, I'm speaking with the other 2 who at least have postpubescent intellect right now.
Although they're still about at the intelligence of a 15 year old, much like most Lordship Salvationists.
Look at Dumber tag teaming Dumb back in. It got too complicated for him once more than 1 Greek word for repentance came up.
The KJV is only a textbook for KJVOs. They don't actually read and believe it... they just use it as a device to argue on the internet.
Godly sorrow in the context of that passage is talking about them feeling sorry because he REBUKED THE CRAP OUT OF THEM for a specific sin, and in order to overcome sin, you have to be sorry over them in a godly manner or God will not help you overcome them, because you'd be doing it in your own strength.Notice how he's talking to ALREADY SAVED PEOPLE in that passage. He is not telling ALREADY SAVED people to be sorry about their sins and turn from them to attain eternal life. CHRIST ALREADY PAID FOR THEIR SINS, and they were saved from hell by ACCEPTING his payment.
He's telling them that they were delivered (saved means delivered) from a severe CHASTENING that would have come over their specific sin.
You are essentially trying to use twisted interpretations of verses often not even talking about eternal salvation to ERASE or NULLIFY verses that actually are.
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UGC cannot find the other words... He is at a total loss.
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Hey Strong's boy, you still haven't answered my question: According to the definition of metanoia in "one of the oldest and reliable" lexica, it involves guilt and reformation.
What is it that is being reformed after experiencing guilt?
What is it that is being reformed after experiencing guilt?