What do you think about Elevation Church?

[brianb]

The numbers game
getting people in rather than discipleship
No theological core

All of the above also match IFBxrdom

In IFBx however the numbers come from mainly outside the church. Many of these don't go to church.

That is debateable and moot. The.numbers.game is all about numbers.

IFBx is well known as the 1-2-3 Pray after Me crowd which goes door-to-door or does street witnessing. They most often speak of numbers "saved" rather than numbers at church like Elevation Church does. I'm not saying they are all like that. Large churches such as FBC Hammond at least have the big numbers in church to boast of. But smaller churches like the one Steven Anderson pastors in Arizona don't have the big numbers he claims are being saved through door-to-door going to his church or any church. Are these people even being discipled? This is why I think there is a decline in the IFB movement especially in America. If these people who prayed the sinner's prayer were really saved they should also take the next step - becoming disciples and being baptized.  In my church we make sure that every one who prays are prayer even sincerely is really saved by asking them questions like if they believe that Jesus is God. Some just pray to get saved but don't know the truth.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=jimmudcatgrant]...I guess he has never read anything negative in the bible. like do not quench the Holy Spirit, or do not be drunk with wine.  Better take those out, I guess.  I always wonder how those who are positive thinkers fare when they run into a rebellious teenage son or daughter.  Wonder if they say yes to everything...

Those aren't what I would call the negative things in the Bible.

Yes, but I wasn't talking bout you.  Furtick sees negative things as the following:  4.
prohibitory, as a command or order.

That is why he doesn't preach against the sin of drinking, adultery, etc.  And quenching the spirit is a sin which we are commanded not to commit.  I really don't get your point.  Oh, that's right, you never expressed one.
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Actually, based on what you wrote, those are what you would consider the be the negative things of the Bible, not Furtick. If one is accusing another of avoiding the tough parts of the Bible, I wouldn't think they would go to the "don't have sex with your neighbor's wife" or "don't get drunk" parts to make their point. IMO, that says more about the person making the accusation than anything.

P.S. Drinking is not a sin.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=jimmudcatgrant]...I guess he has never read anything negative in the bible. like do not quench the Holy Spirit, or do not be drunk with wine.  Better take those out, I guess.  I always wonder how those who are positive thinkers fare when they run into a rebellious teenage son or daughter.  Wonder if they say yes to everything...

Those aren't what I would call the negative things in the Bible.

Yes, but I wasn't talking bout you.  Furtick sees negative things as the following:  4.
prohibitory, as a command or order.

That is why he doesn't preach against the sin of drinking, adultery, etc.  And quenching the spirit is a sin which we are commanded not to commit.  I really don't get your point.  Oh, that's right, you never expressed one.

Actually, based on what you wrote, those are what you would consider the be the negative things of the Bible, not Furtick. If one is accusing another of avoiding the tough parts of the Bible, I wouldn't think they would go to the "don't have sex with your neighbor's wife" or "don't get drunk" parts to make their point. IMO, that says more about the person making the accusation than anything.

P.S. Drinking is not a sin.
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Furtick also purposely did not take a stand on the gay marriage issue when it was on the ballot earlier this year. Furtick seems to practice, not sure what he believes, that naming sin is a sin!

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

Ok, libber, whatever you say.

"P.S. Drinking is not a sin."

I clearly said getting drunk.  BTW, drinking is a sin to some people.  Let's see if you are deep enough in the scriptures to tell me why.

 

[rsc2a]

Ok, libber, whatever you say.

"P.S. Drinking is not a sin."

I clearly said getting drunk.  BTW, drinking is a sin to some people.  Let's see if you are deep enough in the scriptures to tell me why.

"That is why he doesn't preach against the sin of drinking..." - jimmudcatgrant

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

Ok, libber, whatever you say.

"P.S. Drinking is not a sin."

I clearly said getting drunk.  BTW, drinking is a sin to some people.  Let's see if you are deep enough in the scriptures to tell me why.

"That is why he doesn't preach against the sin of drinking..." - jimmudcatgrant

Ok, you are right, I read where someone else answered and had getting drunk in there and took if for my writing.  Still, deal with why drinking is a sin to some.  I say it is.  Can you tell me why?  Or are you afraid to go there?

 

[rsc2a]

Ok, libber, whatever you say.

"P.S. Drinking is not a sin."

I clearly said getting drunk.  BTW, drinking is a sin to some people.  Let's see if you are deep enough in the scriptures to tell me why.

"That is why he doesn't preach against the sin of drinking..." - jimmudcatgrant

Ok, you are right, I read where someone else answered and had getting drunk in there and took if for my writing.  Still, deal with why drinking is a sin to some.  I say it is.  Can you tell me why?  Or are you afraid to go there?

Why would I be "afraid to go there"? I see this as a friendly discussion, not a battle to the death.

Are you a Nazirite?

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

Ok, libber, whatever you say.

"P.S. Drinking is not a sin."

I clearly said getting drunk.  BTW, drinking is a sin to some people.  Let's see if you are deep enough in the scriptures to tell me why.

"That is why he doesn't preach against the sin of drinking..." - jimmudcatgrant

Ok, you are right, I read where someone else answered and had getting drunk in there and took if for my writing.  Still, deal with why drinking is a sin to some.  I say it is.  Can you tell me why?  Or are you afraid to go there?

Why would I be "afraid to go there"? I see this as a friendly discussion, not a battle to the death.

Are you a Nazirite?

No, I'm a Christian.  This is a friendly discussion, but still you refuse to answer the question.  Need a little time to google?

 

[rsc2a]

Ok, libber, whatever you say.

"P.S. Drinking is not a sin."

I clearly said getting drunk.  BTW, drinking is a sin to some people.  Let's see if you are deep enough in the scriptures to tell me why.

"That is why he doesn't preach against the sin of drinking..." - jimmudcatgrant

Ok, you are right, I read where someone else answered and had getting drunk in there and took if for my writing.  Still, deal with why drinking is a sin to some.  I say it is.  Can you tell me why?  Or are you afraid to go there?

Why would I be "afraid to go there"? I see this as a friendly discussion, not a battle to the death.

Are you a Nazirite?

No, I'm a Christian.  This is a friendly discussion, but still you refuse to answer the question.  Need a little time to google?

I did answer the question. Nazirites are not permitted alcohol.

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

Are you a Nazirite?
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No, I'm a Christian.  This is a friendly discussion, but still you refuse to answer the question.  Need a little time to google?
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I did answer the question. Nazirites are not permitted alcohol.
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Not just alcohol, but nothing made from grapes.  They can't cut their hair, nor touch anything dead.  Sampson had trouble keeping his Nazarite vow.  Anyway, I plainly told you I am not a Nazarite, so that means there are other reasons.  I take it you don't believe that.  I will help you out, because I can tell you need plenty of help in the scriptures, no offense.

Drinking is a sin to someone that believes it is a sin to them.  Romans 14:23 (NLT)
23 But if you have doubts about whether or not you should eat something, you are sinning if you go ahead and do it. For you are not following your convictions. If you do anything you believe is not right, you are sinning.

You shouldn't drink in front of a young Christian that doesn't believe in it as it may cause them to stumble.  You know, the weaker brother.  I have been saved long enough that it doesn't bother me.  I have other private reasons for not drinking besides the ones listed.  But it is my conviction (doesn't matter the reason) and I would be sinning by drinking.

1 Corinthians 8:11-13 (ESV)
11 And so by your knowledge this weak person is destroyed, the brother for whom Christ died.
12 Thus, sinning against your brothers and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ.
13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.

 

[rsc2a]

Frankly, I just didn't feel like having the discussion. 

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

Frankly, I just didn't feel like having the discussion. 

then you should have said so.  It's just a friendly discussion, right?

 

[Greaves]

I live right down the road a bit from an Elevation campus here in Mertrolina.  (lol that looks silly, but it's true)

It's a Southern Baptist church.  It has a louder soundtrack than most, and the preacher spends a lot of time picking out which tight-fitting t-shirt he'll preach in this week.  But who am I, to judge another man's servant?

 

[Ransom]

Greaves!

 

[Greaves]

Yo!

I found the new asylum. 

 

[T-Bone]

Welcome Greaves!

 

[Fresh Air]

Furtick also purposely did not take a stand on the gay marriage issue when it was on the ballot earlier this year. Furtick seems to practice, not sure what he believes, that naming sin is a sin!

...didn't know that, but it fits with the overall pattern I identified in a similar thread about the sooner-or-later doctrinal bankruptcy of the hard-edged contemporary crowd.

 

[Reformed Guy]

Should one expect to hear preaching like this at "Elevation Church?"

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=101401224928