What did they do at HAC to make graduates worship Hyles?

[RAIDER]

I too think most IFB churches knew who Bro. Hyles was in the 70s and 80s.  He was the star player in the SOTL crowd widely promoted by Dr. Rice.  I don't think he was as well known in his latter years than in his heyday.

Exactly! 

 

[kaba]

I guess we will just agree to disagree. I just think HAC and FBC thought too highly of themselves and thinks everyone knows about them. A lot of these little country IFB churches, that just had a desire to serve the Lord, and do what is right, and didn't care what the "big" churches were doing had no knowledge of Hyles.

 

[RAIDER]

I guess we will just agree to disagree. I just think HAC and FBC thought too highly of themselves and thinks everyone knows about them. A lot of these little country IFB churches, that just had a desire to serve the Lord, and do what is right, and didn't care what the "big" churches were doing had no knowledge of Hyles.

I hate do disagree, but as John Mark would say, "You're wrong, woman!"    Dr. Hyles was well-known by all the major Baptist Colleges and their graduates.  The Hyles Church Manual was owned by just about every IFB preacher (including those in little country churches).

 

[kaba]

I don't listen too much to John Mark these days .

 

[Sherryh]

Raider you know kaba is a smart woman....

 

[16KJV11]

I don't listen too much to John Mark these days .

Are you wearing ear plugs?

 

[Just me]

My take is that the members of IFBx churches are taught to put the preacher on to high of a pedistal. It is always, "what would preacher think" or "what would preacher say" etc.  All decisions go through preacher and all members are taught to seek preachers advice in all things.  They are taught never to talk about or contradict the preacher or the she bears will get ya.  They are taught not to touch the Lord's annointed and that annointed is the preacher.  On and on it goes with the preacher basically being the pope of the church.

The Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5 ..... there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.  IFBx churches go beyond that and basically teach that there then is one mediator between Christ and them, the preacher.

 

[myeyesareopen]

Speaking of Hyles' worshipers, here is the king:
www.worthpublications.com.

 

[BALAAM]

Speaking of Hyles' worshipers, here is the king:
www.worthpublications.com.

Bingo!  I am sure that most hac grads who sat in his church ed class heard him talk about loyalty. "Loyalty is not the absence of disloyalty"  yada yada yada.

 

[BALAAM]

I just talked tonight to a man who is on the church staff. He asked where I was going to church. I told him and he said, 'Man I am sure that church is made up of a lot of our former members."  I told him that nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, there are about a dozen or so couples that I know came from fbch but most of those people do not even know that fbch even exists, have never been there, have never heard jh preach, and know nothing about it, yet the folks from fbch think the world revolves around their church. This kind of thinking was fostered and promoted by jack hyles. I used to believe it too.

By the way, make no doubt about it JH had charisma, was a powerful persuasive speaker, and a very gifted man. I just think the gift went to his head and a lot of the people thought that he would be one of the 24 elders around the throne in heaven.

 

[myeyesareopen]

I just talked tonight to a man who is on the church staff. He asked where I was going to church. I told him and he said, 'Man I am sure that church is made up of a lot of our former members."  I told him that nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, there are about a dozen or so couples that I know came from fbch but most of those people do not even know that fbch even exists, have never been there, have never heard jh preach, and know nothing about it, yet the folks from fbch think the world revolves around their church. This kind of thinking was fostered and promoted by jack hyles. I used to believe it too.

I work 'in the world' and meet lots and lots of people from all over NWI, and whenever the subject of church comes up and I say where I attend, very rarely has anyone heard of FBC. Disdn't JS try to float a slogan for awhile...something like "We don't want to be Northwest Indiana's best- kept secret anymore"?

I remember the very first time we visited FBC, it was a summer Wednesday in the 80's and we were passing through on our way to visit family sdown South. I literally thought Hammond would seem 'different' from any ordinary city because of the presence of the church. We didn't know exactly where the church was and this was in the days before gps. We thought we could ask anyone on the street or at a gas station and they would point us to FBC...surely it was the center of life for all in Hammond, IN. Well...it didn't quite work that way.

 

[Fresh Air]

I'm an IFB pastor.  I'm conservative about the KJV, music, dress, etc.  I didn't go to Hyles, but interacting with HAC alumni, I find the one common thread with all of them is that they worship the ground that Jack Hyles walked on.

• I know pastors who will pray to the deceased Jack Hyles.
• I know pastors who will not let anyone in their church read any books that don't come from the HAC bookstore.
• I know pastors who will not let anyone preach for them unless they are HAC alumni.
• I've heard pastors joke about Hyles being the fourth member of the Trinity.
• I've known pastors to manipulate their preacher boys away from going to any Bible college but Hyles Anderson.
• A friend of mine shook Dr. Hyles hand as a teenager and was promptly told by an employee they should never wash it.

For me, all of that pales to the fact that I have never personally met anyone who went to HAC (except for a few people who were obviously bitter about it) that didn't treat Dr. Hyles as if he was above any criticism.

Now, I am super grateful to Clarence Sexton, but I've never met a Crown grad who thought he was above criticism.  I've never met a graduate of any other institution that treated the leadership that way.  Yet almost all of the HAC people I've met treat Hyles that way.

So my question is, what was unique about the HAC experience that causes you guys to treat Hyles that way?

I think you need to get out more. I know dozens and dozens of HAC grads who loved but didn't worship, followed yet not blindly, and respected but didn't adore him.

I'm one of 'em.

 

[Fresh Air]

My take is that the members of IFBx churches are taught to put the preacher on to high of a pedistal. It is always, "what would preacher think" or "what would preacher say" etc.  All decisions go through preacher and all members are taught to seek preachers advice in all things.  They are taught never to talk about or contradict the preacher or the she bears will get ya.  They are taught not to touch the Lord's annointed and that annointed is the preacher.  On and on it goes with the preacher basically being the pope of the church.

The Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5 ..... there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.  IFBx churches go beyond that and basically teach that there then is one mediator between Christ and them, the preacher.

Amen

 

[Binaca Chugger]

99% of what he said.

One more percent and we can get you a hat!

Now that's funny, right there!

 

[pastorryanhayden]

I'm an IFB pastor.  I'm conservative about the KJV, music, dress, etc.  I didn't go to Hyles, but interacting with HAC alumni, I find the one common thread with all of them is that they worship the ground that Jack Hyles walked on.

• I know pastors who will pray to the deceased Jack Hyles.
• I know pastors who will not let anyone in their church read any books that don't come from the HAC bookstore.
• I know pastors who will not let anyone preach for them unless they are HAC alumni.
• I've heard pastors joke about Hyles being the fourth member of the Trinity.
• I've known pastors to manipulate their preacher boys away from going to any Bible college but Hyles Anderson.
• A friend of mine shook Dr. Hyles hand as a teenager and was promptly told by an employee they should never wash it.

For me, all of that pales to the fact that I have never personally met anyone who went to HAC (except for a few people who were obviously bitter about it) that didn't treat Dr. Hyles as if he was above any criticism.

Now, I am super grateful to Clarence Sexton, but I've never met a Crown grad who thought he was above criticism.  I've never met a graduate of any other institution that treated the leadership that way.  Yet almost all of the HAC people I've met treat Hyles that way.

So my question is, what was unique about the HAC experience that causes you guys to treat Hyles that way?

I think you need to get out more. I know dozens and dozens of HAC grads who loved but didn't worship, followed yet not blindly, and respected but didn't adore him.

I'm one of 'em.

Point taken. 
It probably wasn't a completely true statement.  Sorry.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

My take is that the members of IFBx churches are taught to put the preacher on to high of a pedistal. It is always, "what would preacher think" or "what would preacher say" etc.  All decisions go through preacher and all members are taught to seek preachers advice in all things.  They are taught never to talk about or contradict the preacher or the she bears will get ya.  They are taught not to touch the Lord's annointed and that annointed is the preacher.  On and on it goes with the preacher basically being the pope of the church.

The Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5 ..... there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.  IFBx churches go beyond that and basically teach that there then is one mediator between Christ and them, the preacher.

When my parents were looking to move out of the city of Hammond to a town closer to the college (as they were employed there), they asked Hyles to look at the houses they were considering moving into so they could get his approval before purchasing one. He told them to take one in particular so that is the house they bought and we moved into.

Thankfully today, they see how ridiculous that it really was to do that...

 

[Just me]

My take is that the members of IFBx churches are taught to put the preacher on to high of a pedistal. It is always, "what would preacher think" or "what would preacher say" etc.  All decisions go through preacher and all members are taught to seek preachers advice in all things.  They are taught never to talk about or contradict the preacher or the she bears will get ya.  They are taught not to touch the Lord's annointed and that annointed is the preacher.  On and on it goes with the preacher basically being the pope of the church.

The Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5 ..... there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.  IFBx churches go beyond that and basically teach that there then is one mediator between Christ and them, the preacher.

When my parents were looking to move out of the city of Hammond to a town closer to the college (as they were employed there), they asked Hyles to look at the houses they were considering moving into so they could get his approval before purchasing one. He told them to take one in particular so that is the house they bought and we moved into.

Thankfully today, they see how ridiculous that it really was to do that...

Good to hear they now see the situation for what it was.

Some of my past fellow church members use to feel they had to ask preacher about everything from the type of deodorent to use to the colors to paint their bedrooms to if they could go to a certain place for vacation or not.  It was rediculous to me then and certainally is now.

It is just sad that a preacher would abuse his position and put church members in a positin to feel that way in the first place.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Just me]Some of my past fellow church members use to feel they had to ask preacher about everything from the type of deodorent to use to the colors to paint their bedrooms to if they could go to a certain place for vacation or not.[/quote]

Well, if they paint their bedrooms certain colors, it might put them in the mood to have sex...for fun!

 

[Smellin Coffee]

My take is that the members of IFBx churches are taught to put the preacher on to high of a pedistal. It is always, "what would preacher think" or "what would preacher say" etc.  All decisions go through preacher and all members are taught to seek preachers advice in all things.  They are taught never to talk about or contradict the preacher or the she bears will get ya.  They are taught not to touch the Lord's annointed and that annointed is the preacher.  On and on it goes with the preacher basically being the pope of the church.

The Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5 ..... there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.  IFBx churches go beyond that and basically teach that there then is one mediator between Christ and them, the preacher.

When my parents were looking to move out of the city of Hammond to a town closer to the college (as they were employed there), they asked Hyles to look at the houses they were considering moving into so they could get his approval before purchasing one. He told them to take one in particular so that is the house they bought and we moved into.

Thankfully today, they see how ridiculous that it really was to do that...

Good to hear they now see the situation for what it was.

Some of my past fellow church members use to feel they had to ask preacher about everything from the type of deodorent to use to the colors to paint their bedrooms to if they could go to a certain place for vacation or not.  It was rediculous to me then and certainally is now.

It is just sad that a preacher would abuse his position and put church members in a positin to feel that way in the first place.

But we were told that the pastor was the one who could tell you God's will for your life. When I was a senior in high school, I talked to my parents about where to go to college. They had me set up my senior appointment with Hyles and told me that I should do whatever he said because he knew God's will. Sure 'nuff, he told me God wanted me to go to HAC which I did.

My wife had a friend that went to him for family planning. They would only have children if Hyles told them they were ready for it. Unfortunately, he cultivated that kind of environment whether he was admittedly vocal about it or not.

 

[pastorryanhayden]

You're invalidating much of the OP with this discussion.  That's a good thing.  Sometimes it's good to be wrong.