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If modern day Bible believing churches would preach the gospel with the power of the Holy Ghost we could turn this country around. Democrats are not the problem, they are the result of watered down churches.
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El Cid said:
Well, alrighty then.
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If it would rain gum drops and lolly pops, the world would be a sweeter place.
I might agree... if we could agree on a definition of watered down churches. But I'm pretty sure we couldn't. :-*
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Izdaari said:
Watered down church: Giving some little feel good stories, not telling people how to be saved, not explaining salvation and acting like everyone is saved.
Watered down churches do not like Biblical terms, they say things like "ask Jesus into your life" instead of accept Christ as your savior. A watered down church hardly ever mentions hell and is always worried about offending people with God's word. A watered down church worries about being politically correct.
The world needs Jesus, people!!!
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Definitly think that the Holy Ghost is missing in a lot of modern day things. I'd probably go so far as to say that He would be an unwelcome guest at some churches.
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El Cid said:
Why do I get the mental image of 20 hippies in a lime green VW minibus?
Sorry, Cid, I know you meant to say, "The world needs Jesus, people." The missing comma just made me laugh when I read it. Thanks for the chuckle.
I always liked Jesus people. 
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El Cid said:
Watered down churches do not like Biblical terms, they say things like "ask Jesus into your life" instead of accept Christ as your savior.
I see. Can you tell me where in the Bible I can find "accept Christ as your savior"? Just want to make sure that's biblical instead of watered down.
Watered down churches do not like Biblical terms, they say things like "ask Jesus into your life" instead of accept Christ as your savior.
I see. Can you tell me where in the Bible I can find "accept Christ as your savior"? Just want to make sure that's biblical instead of watered down.
El Cid said:
Yeah, ok. I'm not into soft pedaling anything or being PC. But I get the feeling you're wanting a Baptist revival flavor to it, and you might call orthodox Lutherans and Anglicans watered down. Am I wrong? I hope so.
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Miller said:
LOL, I majored in lunch room, PE and causing trouble at our public school not English.
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Izdaari said:
I have never been to an Anglican church but I have visited Lutheran and Methodist churches. I did not hear the gospel nor the Bible preached at either one, just a bunch of boring liturgy. I have heard the Bible preached at Baptist churches. I am not saying all other churches are bad because I heard J. Vernon McGee was a Presbyterian and he preached the gospel on the radio.
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Ransom said:
I think "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" means accept Christ as savior. What does "ask Jesus into your life mean"? Sounds kind of like, "get religion" or "turn over a new leaf" to me.
Jesus wants to dwell in our heart. We must be "born again". Ask Jesus into the heart is kind of vague.
Yeah, ok. I have one of J. Vernon McGee's commentaries. He's pretty good.
But I can assure you that Anglican (or Episcopal), Lutheran, Methodist and Presbyterian churches (most of them - some are too liberal to be orthodox) do have the Gospel, though they may not be as aggressive in their presentation as you'd prefer. I think they operate under the assumption that most people who are in church already, already know Jesus and don't need preached at, but rather exhorted, uplifted and edified. And, by and large, that assumption is mostly accurate.
And some of us actually like liturgical services, and find them spiritually uplifting rather than boring. And I've never heard a liturgical service that wasn't heavily based on the Bible. Where do you think all those liturgical quotes come from? Nearly all are directly lifted from Scripture.
But I can assure you that Anglican (or Episcopal), Lutheran, Methodist and Presbyterian churches (most of them - some are too liberal to be orthodox) do have the Gospel, though they may not be as aggressive in their presentation as you'd prefer. I think they operate under the assumption that most people who are in church already, already know Jesus and don't need preached at, but rather exhorted, uplifted and edified. And, by and large, that assumption is mostly accurate.
And some of us actually like liturgical services, and find them spiritually uplifting rather than boring. And I've never heard a liturgical service that wasn't heavily based on the Bible. Where do you think all those liturgical quotes come from? Nearly all are directly lifted from Scripture.
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Agreed, that does sound kind of vague.
Roman 10:9-10 is the gold standard.
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I think "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" means accept Christ as savior. What does "ask Jesus into your life mean"?
Ah, so "biblical" in your case means what you think it means.
I would take "biblical" as meaning "something to be found in the Bible" - for example, something that the apostles actually told people to do. You'll see plenty of "repent and believe the Gospel," but no "accept Christ." The issue is not whether we find Christ acceptable - as Paul makes clear in Galatians, the issue is why God accepts us.
Jesus wants to dwell in our heart.
Yeah? Also not biblical.
Ah, so "biblical" in your case means what you think it means.
I would take "biblical" as meaning "something to be found in the Bible" - for example, something that the apostles actually told people to do. You'll see plenty of "repent and believe the Gospel," but no "accept Christ." The issue is not whether we find Christ acceptable - as Paul makes clear in Galatians, the issue is why God accepts us.
Jesus wants to dwell in our heart.
Yeah? Also not biblical.
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Izdaari said:
I will take your word for it as I have been in mostly Baptist churches and they are not shy about preaching the Bible. Religion is of man, Salvation is of God is the way I see it. I grew up smoking dope, drinking alcohol and listening to heavy metal, religion to me was boring. I needed that preacher to yell at me and tell me that I was no good and needed Christ. To each his own, I guess. Some people have said that yelling turns them off. If you are saved and serving God in your local church, then it works for you. Keep doing it!
El Cid said:Izdaari said:
I will take your word for it as I have been in mostly Baptist churches and they are not shy about preaching the Bible. Religion is of man, Salvation is of God is the way I see it. I grew up smoking dope, drinking alcohol and listening to heavy metal, religion to me was boring. I needed that preacher to yell at me and tell me that I was no good and needed Christ. To each his own, I guess. Some people have said that yelling turns them off. If you are saved and serving God in your local church, then it works for you. Keep doing it!
Alrighty, I can relate. I still drink alcohol (in moderation) and listen to heavy metal, but we both love Jesus and know how sinful we are without Him.
C.S. Lewis was the human who gets the most credit for saving me (his spiritual autobiography, Surprised by Joy, is what made me take a second look at the claims of Christianity and find them to be true), and because of him, I'll always feel good/grateful toward Anglicanism.
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Ransom said:
I just noticed that liberal churches use the term "ask Jesus into your life". I have my opinion, you have yours. As far as saying something has to be in the Bible per se, most things that we practice or believe in came from biblical principles not exact words. Where does the Bible say that we should not pick our nose in church and spit on people? You seem like a knit picker to me.
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Izdaari said:El Cid said:Izdaari said:
I will take your word for it as I have been in mostly Baptist churches and they are not shy about preaching the Bible. Religion is of man, Salvation is of God is the way I see it. I grew up smoking dope, drinking alcohol and listening to heavy metal, religion to me was boring. I needed that preacher to yell at me and tell me that I was no good and needed Christ. To each his own, I guess. Some people have said that yelling turns them off. If you are saved and serving God in your local church, then it works for you. Keep doing it!
Alrighty, I can relate. I still drink alcohol (in moderation) and listen to heavy metal, but we both love Jesus and know how sinful we are without Him.
C.S. Lewis was the human who gets the most credit for saving me (his spiritual autobiography, Surprised by Joy, is what made me take a second look at the claims of Christianity and find them to be true), and because of him, I'll always feel good/grateful toward Anglicanism.
I try not to judge people as we all have different paths but for me drinking and listening to Rock music is wrong. It does not help me serve Christ.
Jesus died for everyone not just for Baptists and people like me.