Trayvon texts and photos reveal a different Trayvon than you knew

[Castor Muscular]

So one is justified at looking at every African-American suspiciously because of what one did...........Come on rsc2a.

I will maintain that TM is innocent until someone can show me that walking down the street with skittles and ice tea is a crime or suspicious behavior for someone else besides young African-American males.

Now adults who shoot unarmed children.........that's another matter.

Nobody is saying it was wrong to walk down the street with skittles and iced tea.  If he attacked Zimmerman, then THAT was wrong.  If not, then Zimmerman did something wrong. 

As for following him because he looked suspicious, that's what crime watch volunteers do.  If you don't like the idea of crime watch volunteers, well, sucks to be you, I guess. 

 

[graceandtruth]

So one is justified at looking at every African-American suspiciously because of what one did...........Come on rsc2a.

I will maintain that TM is innocent until someone can show me that walking down the street with skittles and ice tea is a crime or suspicious behavior for someone else besides young African-American males.

Now adults who shoot unarmed children.........that's another matter.

Nobody is saying it was wrong to walk down the street with skittles and iced tea.  If he attacked Zimmerman, then THAT was wrong.  If not, then Zimmerman did something wrong. 

As for following him because he looked suspicious, that's what crime watch volunteers do.  If you don't like the idea of crime watch volunteers, well, sucks to be you, I guess.

No actually Castor I would think it would suck to be you when you think that a 30+ year old man shooting and killing a 17 year old boy walking through his neighborhood is justified because the boy is African-American and someone in the neighborhood's home has been burglarized by an African-American which I supposed they caught or they would not know the burglar was African-American and the boy happens to be African-American.

This open season on African-American males that people professing to be "Christians" find acceptable is what sucks but then there has always been a conspicuous absence of outcry from the American church as African-Americans have been killed and maimed by those who find African-American males to be a threat if they are not docile and submitting to their invasions of their person and privacy. 

 

[rsc2a]

So one is justified at looking at every African-American suspiciously because of what one did...........Come on rsc2a.

I'm sorry...did anyone claim that? What I have done is show that, statistically, TM was a part of a very small minority of people of which some has been apprehended after committing some of the burglaries and near-burglaries. The small demographic in this case (~2%) was the demographic he happened to belong to. It's not unreasonable for him to be profiled in this case. Likewise, I don't randomly start looking at everyone if I'm looking for people who are using illegal off-shore tax shelters; I look at the folks with highest incomes.

[quote author=graceandtruth]I will maintain that TM is innocent until someone can show me that walking down the street with skittles and ice tea is a crime or suspicious behavior for someone else besides young African-American males.[/quote]

I maintain that he was innocent as well. I also maintain that GZ was innocent. You're as guilty of bias as the people you are accusing of bias.

[quote author=graceandtruth]Now adults who shoot unarmed children.........that's another matter.[/quote]

Your presumption is based on some faulty reasoning.

  - You are assuming that a 17 year old is not as much of a threat physically as an "adult".
  - You are assuming that "unarmed" equals "not dangerous".

All one would have to do is show that an unarmed 17 year old is capable of inflicting serious injury on another party to disprove the universality of your premise. Do you realize how easily I could show this?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=graceandtruth]No actually Castor I would think it would suck to be you when you think that a 30+ year old man shooting and killing a 17 year old boy walking through his neighborhood is justified because the boy is African-American...[/quote]

Now really...who has claimed this? At this point, you seem to be just trying to paint people as racist because they aren't willing to vilify GZ.

[quote author=graceandtruth]...and someone in the neighborhood's home has been burglarized by an African-American which I supposed they caught or they would not know the burglar was African-American and the boy happens to be African-American.[/quote]

They caught a few guys. They didn't catch many others. And, there was a string of burglaries and near-burglaries where the perpetrators were identified as black, even when they weren't apprehended by law enforcement.

[quote author=graceandtruth]This open season on African-American males that people professing to be "Christians" find acceptable is what sucks...[/quote]

Ahh...back to the race-baiting as I described above.

[quote author=graceandtruth]...but then there has always been a conspicuous absence of outcry from the American church as African-Americans have been killed and maimed by those who find African-American males to be a threat if they are not docile and submitting to their invasions of their person and privacy. [/quote]

I hope I don't have to tell you which group commits the most violence against black folks, do I? Or are you going to keep making this about skin color?

 

[graceandtruth]

So one is justified at looking at every African-American suspiciously because of what one did...........Come on rsc2a.

I'm sorry...did anyone claim that? What I have done is show that, statistically, TM was a part of a very small minority of people of which some has been apprehended after committing some of the burglaries and near-burglaries. The small demographic in this case (~2%) was the demographic he happened to belong to. It's not unreasonable for him to be profiled in this case. Likewise, I don't randomly start looking at everyone if I'm looking for people who are using illegal off-shore tax shelters; I look at the folks with highest incomes.

[quote author=graceandtruth]I will maintain that TM is innocent until someone can show me that walking down the street with skittles and ice tea is a crime or suspicious behavior for someone else besides young African-American males.

I maintain that he was innocent as well. I also maintain that GZ was innocent. You're as guilty of bias as the people you are accusing of bias.

[quote author=graceandtruth]Now adults who shoot unarmed children.........that's another matter.[/quote]

Your presumption is based on some faulty reasoning.

  - You are assuming that a 17 year old is not as much of a threat physically as an "adult".
  - You are assuming that "unarmed" equals "not dangerous".

All one would have to do is show that an unarmed 17 year old is capable of inflicting serious injury on another party to disprove the universality of your premise. Do you realize how easily I could show this?
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No actually you can spare me rsc2a.  I know plenty of African-American males that are 17 year old children.  I understand.........animals.  Now Hispanic-white 30+ year old "men".........angels. 

I should be accustom to it by now......African-Americans are always treated as statistics instead of people unless they are our friends who are nothing like those other African-Americans.  I get it.

Didn't see your other post until after I had typed this one.
I am aware who commits the most violent crimes against African-Americans--African-Americans.  So GZ just saved some other African-American the jail time.  I didn't look at it that way.  Now I feel better........Your logic if flawless.

And no race-baiting.  That is nothing more than an attempt to discredit my statements.  African-American males are little darlings as long as they are small enough to not date your daughters and drive the Sunday School attendance.  When they enter those teenage years and are tired of being patted on the head and want to be treated as a human being then they become monsters.  I get it.

 

[Castor Muscular]

No actually Castor I would think it would suck to be you when you think that a 30+ year old man shooting and killing a 17 year old boy walking through his neighborhood is justified because the boy is African-American and someone in the neighborhood's home has been burglarized by an African-American which I supposed they caught or they would not know the burglar was African-American and the boy happens to be African-American.

Your psychic abilities are astounding.  Who is going to win the world series this year? 

 

[kaba]

So one is justified at looking at every African-American suspiciously because of what one did...........Come on rsc2a.

I'm sorry...did anyone claim that? What I have done is show that, statistically, TM was a part of a very small minority of people of which some has been apprehended after committing some of the burglaries and near-burglaries. The small demographic in this case (~2%) was the demographic he happened to belong to. It's not unreasonable for him to be profiled in this case. Likewise, I don't randomly start looking at everyone if I'm looking for people who are using illegal off-shore tax shelters; I look at the folks with highest incomes.

[quote author=graceandtruth]I will maintain that TM is innocent until someone can show me that walking down the street with skittles and ice tea is a crime or suspicious behavior for someone else besides young African-American males.

I maintain that he was innocent as well. I also maintain that GZ was innocent. You're as guilty of bias as the people you are accusing of bias.

[quote author=graceandtruth]Now adults who shoot unarmed children.........that's another matter.

Your presumption is based on some faulty reasoning.

  - You are assuming that a 17 year old is not as much of a threat physically as an "adult".
  - You are assuming that "unarmed" equals "not dangerous".

All one would have to do is show that an unarmed 17 year old is capable of inflicting serious injury on another party to disprove the universality of your premise. Do you realize how easily I could show this?
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No actually you can spare me rsc2a.  I know plenty of African-American males that are 17 year old children.  I understand.........animals.  Now Hispanic-white 30+ year old "men".........angels. 

I should be accustom to it by now......African-Americans are always treated as statistics instead of people unless they are our friends who are nothing like those other African-Americans.  I get it.

Didn't see your other post until after I had typed this one.
I am aware who commits the most violent crimes against African-Americans--African-Americans.  So GZ just saved some other African-American the jail time.  I didn't look at it that way.  Now I feel better........Your logic if flawless.

And no race-baiting.  That is nothing more than an attempt to discredit my statements.  African-American males are little darlings as long as they are small enough to not date your daughters and drive the Sunday School attendance.  When they enter those teenage years and are tired of being patted on the head and want to be treated as a human being then they become monsters.  I get it.
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Sorry, you feel everyone thinks that way about African-Americans. Maybe that is what you want people to think.

I have to deal with Hispanic "men" in the company I work for, they are no angels!

 

[graceandtruth]

So one is justified at looking at every African-American suspiciously because of what one did...........Come on rsc2a.

I'm sorry...did anyone claim that? What I have done is show that, statistically, TM was a part of a very small minority of people of which some has been apprehended after committing some of the burglaries and near-burglaries. The small demographic in this case (~2%) was the demographic he happened to belong to. It's not unreasonable for him to be profiled in this case. Likewise, I don't randomly start looking at everyone if I'm looking for people who are using illegal off-shore tax shelters; I look at the folks with highest incomes.

[quote author=graceandtruth]I will maintain that TM is innocent until someone can show me that walking down the street with skittles and ice tea is a crime or suspicious behavior for someone else besides young African-American males.

I maintain that he was innocent as well. I also maintain that GZ was innocent. You're as guilty of bias as the people you are accusing of bias.

[quote author=graceandtruth]Now adults who shoot unarmed children.........that's another matter.

Your presumption is based on some faulty reasoning.

  - You are assuming that a 17 year old is not as much of a threat physically as an "adult".
  - You are assuming that "unarmed" equals "not dangerous".

All one would have to do is show that an unarmed 17 year old is capable of inflicting serious injury on another party to disprove the universality of your premise. Do you realize how easily I could show this?

No actually you can spare me rsc2a.  I know plenty of African-American males that are 17 year old children.  I understand.........animals.  Now Hispanic-white 30+ year old "men".........angels. 

I should be accustom to it by now......African-Americans are always treated as statistics instead of people unless they are our friends who are nothing like those other African-Americans.  I get it.

Didn't see your other post until after I had typed this one.
I am aware who commits the most violent crimes against African-Americans--African-Americans.  So GZ just saved some other African-American the jail time.  I didn't look at it that way.  Now I feel better........Your logic if flawless.

And no race-baiting.  That is nothing more than an attempt to discredit my statements.  African-American males are little darlings as long as they are small enough to not date your daughters and drive the Sunday School attendance.  When they enter those teenage years and are tired of being patted on the head and want to be treated as a human being then they become monsters.  I get it.
[/quote]

Sorry, you feel everyone thinks that way about African-Americans. Maybe that is what you want people to think.

I have to deal with Hispanic "men" in the company I work for, they are no angels!
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I don't feel anything kaba.  It is evident when one reads these posts.  I think it would be quite helpful if everyone would learn to listen to what African-Americans have to say about how they are treated and accept it and make necessary adjustments. 

 

[qwerty]

Remember, it is about race... But it is not... It is really about age... But it is not.

It is about something else.... But it is not what you think... It is something else....

Now it is about the children... But now it is about reparations....

Zimmerman is guilty although don't know all the details, but Martin is innocent although I don't know all the details.

Like a bad old spice commercial.... I'm on a horse.

 

[kaba]

I dont think it is evident in the other posts.

I have a close family member that taught in the public school this year, all but one of her students were black, she had to work with the prejudice attitudes they had toward her. 

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=graceandtruth]No actually you can spare me rsc2a.  I know plenty of African-American males that are 17 year old children.  I understand.........animals.  Now Hispanic-white 30+ year old "men".........angels.  [/quote]

I'm not the one seeing all of this in terms of skin color. They have a name for people that do that...

[quote author=graceandtruth]I should be accustom to it by now......African-Americans are always treated as statistics instead of people unless they are our friends who are nothing like those other African-Americans.  I get it. [/quote]

No...statistics are treated like statistics, and statistics are a useful tool when it comes to criminology. It would be wrong to ignore statistics when one is trying to find a pattern in a given set of data. It would also be wrong to think that there is no deviation from the statistics. (i.e. to assume that all statistical measure are true of all data points possible)

[quote author=graceandtruth]Didn't see your other post until after I had typed this one.
I am aware who commits the most violent crimes against African-Americans--African-Americans.  So GZ just saved some other African-American the jail time.  I didn't look at it that way.  Now I feel better........Your logic if flawless.[/quote]

Then why did you make the claim that the violence is predominately committed "by those who find African-American males to be a threat if they are not docile and submitting to their invasions of their person and privacy" and act like this description was of non-blacks.

It appears that any critique of non-blacks is fine with you, but all critique of black folks is off-limits. Granted...that's exactly how you're treating this case, so I cannot say I'm all that surprised.

[quote author=graceandtruth]And no race-baiting.  That is nothing more than an attempt to discredit my statements.[/quote]

It's straight up race baiting. You cannot see past the skin tone of the individuals involved. Your statements are filled with arguments based on skin tone. Skin tone is, apparently, the primary factor in your reasoning when it comes to this case.

[quote author=graceandtruth]African-American males are little darlings as long as they are small enough to not date your daughters and drive the Sunday School attendance...[/quote]

Frankly I could care less what someone who dates my children looks like. I'm more concerned with the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

[quote author=graceandtruth]When they enter those teenage years and are tired of being patted on the head and want to be treated as a human being then they become monsters.  I get it.[/quote]

Right...because that's exactly the argument that everyone else is making.  :

 

[graceandtruth]

Whatever my friend.........whatever.  Naturally you are right and my perspective is wrong.  Statistics show that African-Americans are burglars and are unable to identify racism.  :

 

[Castor Muscular]

Whatever my friend.........whatever.  Naturally you are right and my perspective is wrong.  Statistics show that African-Americans are burglars and are unable to identify racism.  :

Well, I don't agree with the former, but if you mean self-identify, then I can agree with the latter. 

 

[graceandtruth]

Whatever my friend.........whatever.  Naturally you are right and my perspective is wrong.  Statistics show that African-Americans are burglars and are unable to identify racism.  :

Well, I don't agree with the former, but if you mean self-identify, then I can agree with the latter.

Thanks for the concern but it is wasted.  My self-identity is in Christ.  Ethnically I am African-American.  No problems here.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Thanks for the concern but it is wasted.  My self-identity is in Christ.  Ethnically I am African-American.  No problems here.

Your psychic abilities failed you this time.

 

[graceandtruth]

What you're not really concerned about poor little ole me?  Your brother in Christ?  I'm shocked....LOL.