Trayvon texts and photos reveal a different Trayvon than you knew

[Castor Muscular]

Sad revelations about Trayvon that show just how corrupt the media is. 

The Martin family attorneys say the evidence is irrelevant. They are wrong. It is damning. The text messages and photos from Martin's cell phone tell a story wildly at odds with the one the State of Florida and the media have been peddling for more than a year, but one altogether truer and sadder.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/new_evidence_shows_trayvons_life_unraveling.html

 

[qwerty]

If Obama had a son.....

 

[Recovering IFB]

Sad revelations about Trayvon that show just how corrupt the media is. 

The Martin family attorneys say the evidence is irrelevant. They are wrong. It is damning. The text messages and photos from Martin's cell phone tell a story wildly at odds with the one the State of Florida and the media have been peddling for more than a year, but one altogether truer and sadder.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/new_evidence_shows_trayvons_life_unraveling.html

Pretty damming if this is admitted into court, which I dont think it will be. This whole case has bad written all over this...

 

[Friend40]

Just because a kid gets in some fights after school, and the school system turns their back.  Which the school should not have done, stil does not give a person the right to kill him.  I think the slogan of neighborhood watch is observe and report, not keep an eye out until the police arrive.  There is no doubt the young man had issues and was on a poor path in life, but many people have gone down that road and had a radical change.  I realize that scenario is against the odds, but we will never know if Trayvon would have beaten the odds.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Just because a kid gets in some fights after school, and the school system turns their back.  Which the school should not have done, stil does not give a person the right to kill him.  I think the slogan of neighborhood watch is observe and report, not keep an eye out until the police arrive.  There is no doubt the young man had issues and was on a poor path in life, but many people have gone down that road and had a radical change.  I realize that scenario is against the odds, but we will never know if Trayvon would have beaten the odds.

I think you missed the point by such a distance, you can't see it with the Hubble space telescope. 

 

[lnf]

Friend40, you're right...we'll never know...  I don't know exactly what happened that night...and I don't think any of us will ever know the full truth of it, even after the verdict is given. 

Graceandtruth gave some valuable insight into the thinking of young black males a few months ago in regard to this very case.  It's quite possible that two cultures collided that night, neither understanding the other...and death resulted.

I do know that my own son was troubled and committed crimes.  I didn't totally wake up with his first crime...but, praise God, I finally did...before he became a statistic.

I have sympathy for both Mr. Zimmerman and for young Mr. Martin and his family.  No, I don't know what happened that night, but I doubt either one of them woke up that morning with any inkling of how things would change just a few hours later...     

 

[graceandtruth]

Just because a kid gets in some fights after school, and the school system turns their back.  Which the school should not have done, stil does not give a person the right to kill him.  I think the slogan of neighborhood watch is observe and report, not keep an eye out until the police arrive.  There is no doubt the young man had issues and was on a poor path in life, but many people have gone down that road and had a radical change.  I realize that scenario is against the odds, but we will never know if Trayvon would have beaten the odds.

THIS ^^

I do not remember fighting in school or being suspended being punishable by death under any legal system.  If it was then I would have been executed by a neighborhood watch patrolman long ago and most of you would have as well.

Nothing damning here.  I would also think that if you knew your child used profanity and had a fight that you would not have him taken out back and shot by a Hispanic-White (U.S. Census term).


Cultural Training Lesson #1:
Gangsta does not always mean what it means for Italian whites who popularized the term.  A song can be gangsta meaning good.  A person can be a gangsta on the court meaning he plays basketball well.  I'm a gangsta can also mean that I am not afraid.

 

[Friend40]

I thought the point was that Trayvon's behavior at home and school showed he had the personality that he would engage someone like Zimmerman in a physical confrontation and therefore that justified Zimmerman to use lethal force. Is that the point of the article?

 

[Castor Muscular]

I thought the point was that Trayvon's behavior at home and school showed he had the personality that he would engage someone like Zimmerman in a physical confrontation and therefore that justified Zimmerman to use lethal force. Is that the point of the article?

Yes.  the personality, the inclination, ability, confidence, and aggressiveness such that he was likely to have attacked Zimmerman first and justified lethal force in his defense. 

To which I would say, "Hey Trayvon... aint he breed nuff 4 u, bae?"

If Trayvon's texts and pictures actually belonged to Zimmerman, Zimmerman would be declared guilty, drawn and quartered. 

 

[graceandtruth]

I thought the point was that Trayvon's behavior at home and school showed he had the personality that he would engage someone like Zimmerman in a physical confrontation and therefore that justified Zimmerman to use lethal force. Is that the point of the article?

Yes.  the personality, the inclination, ability, confidence, and aggressiveness such that he was likely to have attacked Zimmerman first and justified lethal force in his defense. 

To which I would say, "Hey Trayvon... aint he breed nuff 4 u, bae?"

If Trayvon's texts and pictures actually belonged to Zimmerman, Zimmerman would be declared guilty, drawn and quartered.

Actually Zimmerman would not even be arrested.

I still say our schools would be empty if every 17 year old boy who texts profanity and fights in school was summarily executed.  Nothing damning here.

Do you happen to have a picture of Trayvon's chest wound from Zimmerman's weapon so that we can compare the injuries.  Maybe we could ask Zimmerman and Trayvon which injury was more harmful........

 

[Friend40]

So I did not miss the point of the article and my conclusion in my original post still stands.  If Zimmerman would have just observed, reported, and gone home he would not be in court and Trayvon would still be alive.  Trayvon would possibly be in jail if his choices continued or he could have been an exception to the rule.

 

[graceandtruth]

So I did not miss the point of the article and my conclusion in my original post still stands.  If Zimmerman would have just observed, reported, and gone home he would not be in court and Trayvon would still be alive.  Trayvon would possibly be in jail if his choices continued or he could have been an exception to the rule.

Exactly ^^

 

[Castor Muscular]

So I did not miss the point of the article and my conclusion in my original post still stands.  If Zimmerman would have just observed, reported, and gone home he would not be in court and Trayvon would still be alive.  Trayvon would possibly be in jail if his choices continued or he could have been an exception to the rule.

It looks like his choices did continue.  It very much appears as if he chose to attack Zimmerman.  And that was the last bad choice he made. 

 

[graceandtruth]

So I did not miss the point of the article and my conclusion in my original post still stands.  If Zimmerman would have just observed, reported, and gone home he would not be in court and Trayvon would still be alive.  Trayvon would possibly be in jail if his choices continued or he could have been an exception to the rule.

It looks like his choices did continue.  It very much appears as if he chose to attack Zimmerman.  And that was the last bad choice he made.

Perhaps his bad choice was failing to get that weapon.  Who would have thought that a 17 year old boy would need a .380 to be able to make it safely home from the store without the avenger of the blood catching him for texting profanity and fighting in school.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Perhaps his bad choice was failing to get that weapon.  Who would have thought that a 17 year old boy would need a .380 to be able to make it safely home from the store without the avenger of the blood catching him for texting profanity and fighting in school.

He would have made it safely home if he had simply kept walking.  Looks like he chose to attack Zimmerman, instead.  You make it sound like it was the other way around. 

Witness #6, the best of the eyewitnesses to the shooting, told the Sanford PD that a there was a "black man in a black hoodie on top of either a white guy ... or an Hispanic guy in a red sweater on the ground yelling out help," and that black man on top was "throwing down blows on the guy MMA [mixed martial arts] style."

 

[graceandtruth]

Perhaps his bad choice was failing to get that weapon.  Who would have thought that a 17 year old boy would need a .380 to be able to make it safely home from the store without the avenger of the blood catching him for texting profanity and fighting in school.

He would have made it safely home if he had simply kept walking.  Looks like he chose to attack Zimmerman, instead.  You make it sound like it was the other way around. 

Witness #6, the best of the eyewitnesses to the shooting, told the Sanford PD that a there was a "black man in a black hoodie on top of either a white guy ... or an Hispanic guy in a red sweater on the ground yelling out help," and that black man on top was "throwing down blows on the guy MMA [mixed martial arts] style."

So the witness did not see who initiated hostility.  All they saw was that Zimmerman overestimated his ability to subdue a child as he violated the clear instructions from law enforcement not to approach Trayvon.  Zimmerman thought that because he was bigger than Trayvon that Trayvon would be an easy victim.  So far he was right except it wasn't Trayvon's size but his color that made him an easy victim.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Yup, like I said, this will not end well :-[

 

[Castor Muscular]

So the witness did not see who initiated hostility.  All they saw was that Zimmerman overestimated his ability to subdue a child as he violated the clear instructions from law enforcement not to approach Trayvon.  Zimmerman thought that because he was bigger than Trayvon that Trayvon would be an easy victim.  So far he was right except it wasn't Trayvon's size but his color that made him an easy victim.

So the witness did not see who initiated hostility.  All they saw was that Zimmerman overestimated his ability

You just contradicted yourself. 

The police did not instruct Zimmerman to do anything.  They simply said "Are you following him? (Yeah) Ok, we don't need you to do that."

Zimmerman claims he did not continue to follow Trayvon, but that Trayvon approached him and said, "You got a problem," and then knocked him to the ground.  The prosecutor says Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon and somehow started the confrontation.  As far as I can find, there are no witnesses to see how the confrontation started, and certainly none who have ESP and could tell Zimmerman overestimated anything.  We do know that Zimmerman ended up on his back, and got beat up by a guy with MMA.  It is reasonable to believe he feared for his life. 

 

[graceandtruth]

So the witness did not see who initiated hostility.  All they saw was that Zimmerman overestimated his ability to subdue a child as he violated the clear instructions from law enforcement not to approach Trayvon.  Zimmerman thought that because he was bigger than Trayvon that Trayvon would be an easy victim.  So far he was right except it wasn't Trayvon's size but his color that made him an easy victim.

So the witness did not see who initiated hostility.  All they saw was that Zimmerman overestimated his ability

You just contradicted yourself. 

The police did not instruct Zimmerman to do anything.  They simply said "Are you following him? (Yeah) Ok, we don't need you to do that."

Zimmerman claims he did not continue to follow Trayvon, but that Trayvon approached him and said, "You got a problem," and then knocked him to the ground.  The prosecutor says Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon and somehow started the confrontation.  As far as I can find, there are no witnesses to see how the confrontation started, and certainly none who have ESP and could tell Zimmerman overestimated anything.  We do know that Zimmerman ended up on his back, and got beat up by a guy with MMA.  It is reasonable to believe he feared for his life.

It is also reasonable to believe that Zimmerman would lie, lie, and lie to avoid a conviction for murder or manslaughter.  We don't have to use our ESP to realize Zimmerman's statements are suspect at best and probably self-serving.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=graceandtruth]It is also reasonable to believe that Zimmerman would lie, lie, and lie to avoid a conviction for murder or manslaughter.  We don't have to use our ESP to realize Zimmerman's statements are suspect at best and probably self-serving.[/quote]

So much for "innocent until proven guilty".