Tim Lambesis, Liberty Grad and frontman for metal band As I Lay Dying, murderer?

[ALAYMAN]

I'll take that as a simple "no".

lol, you couldn't bother to even read the short link provided but want me to go read an entire idiotic book.  That's typical for your m.o.


[quote author=rsc2a]

Because you used his quote about book as a basis for your belief that he's apostate. Clearly, you have no idea what the book actually says.[/quote]

Try re-reading reply# 12, where I cited that it was reported that his wife claims he no longer believes, and in that link it also says prosecution has emails that verify his own admission of that.  Are you really so obtuse that you just never read what is written?

It provides at least as much justification as the perverts and abusers in fundamentalism find in Scripture for their own behavior.

ahhhh, so rsc2a promotes the ole "two wrongs make a right" theory.

 

[rsc2a]

I'll take that as a simple "no".

lol, you couldn't bother to even read the short link provided but want me to go read an entire idiotic book.  That's typical for your m.o.

No. I want you to actually look at something before you decide to criticize it. Here, you are being critical of a book you've never read. In fact, you clearly have no idea what the book even says or you would know your criticism makes absolutely no sense. Of course, it's not the first time that you start criticizing something you have no idea about simply because you think that your made-up version of whatever that something is is wrong.

[quote author=ALAYMAN][quote author=rsc2a]Because you used his quote about book as a basis for your belief that he's apostate. Clearly, you have no idea what the book actually says.[/quote]

Try re-reading reply# 12, where I cited that it was reported that his wife claims he no longer believes, and in that link it also says prosecution has emails that verify his own admission of that.  Are you really so obtuse that you just never read what is written?[/quote]

Ok...

"Alayman no longer believes in God."

...I said something about you. Does it make make that statement true?

And, no, your link doesn't say that about the prosecution having emails stating that. The article says the emails state that the singer was having an affair and no longer loves his wife. The statement you are referring to is a separate paragraph that states, "he also told her he no longer believes in God," a statement I have already shown amounts to hearsay.

Did he decide he no longer believes in God? I have no idea. But, he hasn't made any public claims either way, and you are basing your assumptions on the words of someone who has plenty of (very understandable) reasons to say all kinds of things about his character.

[quote author=ALAYMAN]

It provides at least as much justification as the perverts and abusers in fundamentalism find in Scripture for their own behavior.

ahhhh, so rsc2a promotes the ole "two wrongs make a right" theory.[/quote]

No. I promote the whole "Alayman blaming this on what he perceives to be someone flirting with the 'fringes of acceptable conservative Christian culture' thing" is stupid.

 

[ALAYMAN]

No. I want you to actually look at something before you decide to criticize it. Here, you are being critical of a book you've never read. In fact, you clearly have no idea what the book even says or you would know your criticism makes absolutely no sense. Of course, it's not the first time that you start criticizing something you have no idea about simply because you think that your made-up version of whatever that something is is wrong.

I've read enough about it by people I trust, and the fact that you're defending it seals the deal.

[quote author=rsc2a]Ok...

"Alayman no longer believes in God."

...I said something about you. Does it make make that statement true?

And, no, your link doesn't say that about the prosecution having emails stating that. The article says the emails state that the singer was having an affair and no longer loves his wife. The statement you are referring to is a separate paragraph that states, "he also told her he no longer believes in God," a statement I have already shown amounts to hearsay.

Did he decide he no longer believes in God? I have no idea. But, he hasn't made any public claims either way, and you are basing your assumptions on the words of someone who has plenty of (very understandable) reasons to say all kinds of things about his character.[/quote]

He goes from Liberty grad, to a form of agnosticism, to calling Catholicism and Protestantism poison, to conspiracy to kill his wife, but there's no inferences need be drawn about his journey and sanctification.

lol, you're so obtuse that it's an insult to all angles everywhere to call you obtuse.

No. I promote the whole "Alayman blaming this on what he perceives to be someone flirting with the 'fringes of acceptable conservative Christian culture' thing" is stupid.

Apostasy and carnality are linked in Scripture.  If you deny that you are more of a dimbulb than I thought.

 

[4everfsu]

Reading about this singer, if he is on steroids as some people have suggested, I think about the wrestler Chris Benoit. If so, then Tim's wife is lucky if the charges are true.

 

[rsc2a]

No. I want you to actually look at something before you decide to criticize it. Here, you are being critical of a book you've never read. In fact, you clearly have no idea what the book even says or you would know your criticism makes absolutely no sense. Of course, it's not the first time that you start criticizing something you have no idea about simply because you think that your made-up version of whatever that something is is wrong.

I've read enough about it by people I trust, and the fact that you're defending it seals the deal.

1. I'm stating that you should stop criticizing things with which you have no familiarity based on what you think they are saying. A much better plan would be to actually familiarize yourself with the item in question then make a reasoned critique based on what is actually being stated. Seriously, you remind me of the pastor I heard whose biggest criticism of the Catholic church was that they deny the divinity of Christ. (In other words, he didn't have a clue what he was actually talking about and failed to even do basic fact checking.)

2. I'm not defending the book. I'm actually think Viola's premise is flat wrong. I've been harshly critical of much of what he has written in other places.

3. Even if I was defending his book, to reject it because I would defend it is flat stupid. I defend the doctrine of the Trinity. Are you going to toss it because it's something I hold to?

[quote author=ALAYMAN][quote author=rsc2a]Ok...

"Alayman no longer believes in God."

...I said something about you. Does it make make that statement true?

And, no, your link doesn't say that about the prosecution having emails stating that. The article says the emails state that the singer was having an affair and no longer loves his wife. The statement you are referring to is a separate paragraph that states, "he also told her he no longer believes in God," a statement I have already shown amounts to hearsay.

Did he decide he no longer believes in God? I have no idea. But, he hasn't made any public claims either way, and you are basing your assumptions on the words of someone who has plenty of (very understandable) reasons to say all kinds of things about his character.[/quote]

He goes from Liberty grad, to a form of agnosticism, to calling Catholicism and Protestantism poison, to conspiracy to kill his wife, but there's no inferences need be drawn about his journey and sanctification.

lol, you're so obtuse that it's an insult to all angles everywhere to call you obtuse.[/quote]

If you'd like, I can tell you a story about a guy who goes from anointed of God to checking out a naked woman to sleeping with another man's wife to manipulating that man to get his own way to murdering that man so he could take over the husband role.

What inferences do you draw from that story?

[quote author=ALAYMAN]

No. I promote the whole "Alayman blaming this on what he perceives to be someone flirting with the 'fringes of acceptable conservative Christian culture' thing" is stupid.

Apostasy and carnality are linked in Scripture.  If you deny that you are more of a dimbulb than I thought.[/quote]

Sure they are linked. What apparently isn't clear to you is whether your definition of "carnal" and the Bible's usage of that word line up. (They don't.)

 

[ALAYMAN]

1. I'm stating that you should stop criticizing things with which you have no familiarity based on what you think they are saying. A much better plan would be to actually familiarize yourself with the item in question then make a reasoned critique based on what is actually being stated. Seriously, you remind me of the pastor I heard whose biggest criticism of the Catholic church was that they deny the divinity of Christ. (In other words, he didn't have a clue what he was actually talking about and failed to even do basic fact checking.)

I've merely stated that Lambesis' slide into deep depravity seems to have some other potentially correlative items of interest, not the least of which is the trajectory he seemed to take towards mild agnosticism (and according to his wife, full unbelief).  If Viola's Pagan Christianity contributed to that, I don't know, but I don't have to read the whole book to know the general premise and such of his false model for the church.  You can make of that observation whatever you will, and if I know you, you'll twist, contort, and make much more of it than you should, and you'll declare I don't know what I'm talking about.  It's how you roll.

As to the rest of your inane diatribe, it ain't worth my time. 

Barring some unforeseen miracle, I won't be replying to YOU anymore in this thread. 

Now you can have the last word.

 

[Castor Muscular]

1. I'm stating that you should stop criticizing things with which you have no familiarity based on what you think they are saying.

Then he'd never post again. 

 

[Torrent v.3]

Good to see you back.

We have had worse but I ain't giving details.  LOL

"We" meaning Liberty of course Alayman, not you!  ;D

Thanks for the welcome back, though I'm sure your voice is in the minority.


As to the skeletons in Liberty's closet, do share.

This place is always more fun when people are riled up. 

Skeletons? What skeletons?  LOL

I had never heard of these guys. Not my kind of music. Sounds like they were quite popular in that genre. Wife filed divorce because of "changes in him" and obsession with weightlifting". Roid rage?

That is true. Riled up is ok. As long as people do not resort to calling people punks and stupid and calling people's inner motivations into question, unleess of course, the Holy Spirit has joined the forum.

 

[bruinboy]

Must be because he is a LU grad.  LOL

 

[ALAYMAN]

That is true. Riled up is ok. As long as people do not resort to calling people punks and stupid and calling people's inner motivations into question, unleess of course, the Holy Spirit has joined the forum.

We can only hope someday He joins you.

 

[Agent P]

Reading about this singer, if he is on steroids as some people have suggested, I think about the wrestler Chris Benoit. If so, then Tim's wife is lucky if the charges are true.

That said, Benoit's problem was a combination of steroids and the effects of repeated concussions from his finishing move where he'd dive from the top rope and headbutt his opponent.

But yeah, if there's steroid use, Tim's wife was fortunate to get an early warning.

 

[brianb]

Reading about this singer, if he is on steroids as some people have suggested, I think about the wrestler Chris Benoit. If so, then Tim's wife is lucky if the charges are true.

That said, Benoit's problem was a combination of steroids and the effects of repeated concussions from his finishing move where he'd dive from the top rope and headbutt his opponent.

But yeah, if there's steroid use, Tim's wife was fortunate to get an early warning.

Rock musicians get into bodybuilding for fitness. They don't see a reason for taking steroids as they are not in a sport. Either this man is not a true Christian or he has just been walking in the flesh. It seems most likely to be the former.

 

[brianb]

I say he is a murderer in God's eyes even if it didn't happen. That's pretty fortunate to meet an undercover cop. That's how Kuklinski was caught - only he was the hit man and the undercover officer was posing as a client. This Tim Lambesis should have read Romans 13 - fear the law and the powers that be.

 

[Just John]

Reading about this singer, if he is on steroids as some people have suggested, I think about the wrestler Chris Benoit. If so, then Tim's wife is lucky if the charges are true.

That said, Benoit's problem was a combination of steroids and the effects of repeated concussions from his finishing move where he'd dive from the top rope and headbutt his opponent.

But yeah, if there's steroid use, Tim's wife was fortunate to get an early warning.

Rock musicians get into bodybuilding for fitness. They don't see a reason for taking steroids as they are not in a sport. Either this man is not a true Christian or he has just been walking in the flesh. It seems most likely to be the former.

Fitness perhaps. But perhaps also for ego and narcissism. When it becomes an "obsession" I think of the latter.

 

[ALAYMAN]

But yeah, if there's steroid use, Tim's wife was fortunate to get an early warning.

Yes, very good point.  The kids get to keep their mom, and she get to keep her life.  And if Tim is saved, hopefully this might be the chastening of God that turns him back to Christ.

 

[Torrent v.3]

That is true. Riled up is ok. As long as people do not resort to calling people punks and stupid and calling people's inner motivations into question, unleess of course, the Holy Spirit has joined the forum.

We can only hope someday He joins you.

You are an arrogant, self righteous jerk, calling my faith into question.