Tim Lambesis, Liberty Grad and frontman for metal band As I Lay Dying, murderer?

[ALAYMAN]

Figured I'd lay low and keep the topics light....

On Wednesday, the rest of As I Laying Dying issued a statement to Billboard on Lambesis' arrest.

"As we post this, the legal process is taking [its] course and we have no more information than you do. There are many unanswered questions, and the situation will become clearer in the coming days and weeks. We'll keep you informed as best we can," the band's four other members said in the statement. "Our thoughts right now are with Tim, his family, and with everyone else affected by this terrible situation - and with our fans, whom we love and draw strength from. Thank you for understanding, and as always, for your support of As I Lay Dying."

Lambesis newly launched Pyrithion project, also on Metal Blade, raised some eyebrows with some of the Christian-leaning As I Lay Dying's longtime fans, who objected to what they saw as "satanic" lyrical content. Lambesis, who studied at Liberty University and has several faith related tattoos, recently posted a video where he addressed those concerns. The singer also owns and operates Lambesis Studios and is credited as producer on albums by Sworn Enemy, Zao, Chelsea Grin and War Of Ages. The avid bodybuilder and motorcycle enthusiast also founded the Modern Rebellion clothing line a few years ago.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1560792/as-i-lay-dying-frontman-tim-lambesis-arrested-over-plot-to-kill-wife


Ain't this what the BASSENCO types love to do when a "fundy" falls?





hmmm........

 

[Just John]

Good to see you back.

We have had worse but I ain't giving details.  LOL

"We" meaning Liberty of course Alayman, not you!  ;D

 

[ALAYMAN]

Good to see you back.

We have had worse but I ain't giving details.  LOL

"We" meaning Liberty of course Alayman, not you!  ;D

Thanks for the welcome back, though I'm sure your voice is in the minority.


As to the skeletons in Liberty's closet, do share.

 

[Just John]

Good to see you back.

We have had worse but I ain't giving details.  LOL

"We" meaning Liberty of course Alayman, not you!  ;D

Thanks for the welcome back, though I'm sure your voice is in the minority.


As to the skeletons in Liberty's closet, do share.

This place is always more fun when people are riled up. 

Skeletons? What skeletons?  LOL

I had never heard of these guys. Not my kind of music. Sounds like they were quite popular in that genre. Wife filed divorce because of "changes in him" and obsession with weightlifting". Roid rage?

 

[qwerty]

Good to see you back.

We have had worse but I ain't giving details.  LOL

"We" meaning Liberty of course Alayman, not you!  ;D

Thanks for the welcome back, though I'm sure your voice is in the minority.


As to the skeletons in Liberty's closet, do share.

This place is always more fun when people are riled up. 

Skeletons? What skeletons?  LOL

I had never heard of these guys. Not my kind of music. Sounds like they were quite popular in that genre. Wife filed divorce because of "changes in him" and obsession with weightlifting". Roid rage?

I think you're right on this. He has changed over the past few years, fast and dramatic. I was very surprised when he re-signed with metal blade. Thought he made the jump to mainstream.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I think you're right on this. He has changed over the past few years, fast and dramatic. I was very surprised when he re-signed with metal blade. Thought he made the jump to mainstream.

It simply points to the fact that all manner of sins are possible for all stripes of Christians.  I watch a lot of real-murder type shows (too many probably) and the worn-out story of marriages-gone-bad is nothing new, especially given that the divorce rate for Christians is essentially no different than pagans.  The most interesting part of the story to me is that he seemed to go the route of many other cross-over artists who are on the fringes of acceptable conservative Christian culture, eschewing the label of "Christian metal band".  When asked if he/they was a Christian band (many times) he gave the standard <paraphrased> answer "we're Christians, and many of our themes are about Biblical morals, but we're not a Christian band".

 

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[quote author=ALAYMAN]The most interesting part of the story to me is that he seemed to go the route of many other cross-over artists who are on the fringes of acceptable conservative Christian culture...[/quote]

I guess that would depend on how one defines "conservative Christian culture".

[quote author=ALAYMAN]...eschewing the label of "Christian metal band".  When asked if he/they was a Christian band (many times) he gave the standard <paraphrased> answer "we're Christians, and many of our themes are about Biblical morals, but we're not a Christian band".[/quote]

Yes, that would be a Scripturally-appropriate response.

 

[subllibrm]

Never heard of him or them. He didn't sing Gaither song did he? 

 

[ALAYMAN]

I guess that would depend on how one defines "conservative Christian culture".

How should it be defined?

Yes, that would be a Scripturally-appropriate response.

In this case, the distancing effect might have been an unhealthy fear of identification with Christ and an indicator of greater internal struggles than Nicodemus, or even Judas had. 

 

[rsc2a]

I guess that would depend on how one defines "conservative Christian culture".

How should it be defined?

Depends. It could be based on praxis, doctrine, politics...


[quote author=ALAYMAN]

Yes, that would be a Scripturally-appropriate response.

In this case, the distancing effect might have been an unhealthy fear of identification with Christ and an indicator of greater internal struggles than Nicodemus, or even Judas had.  [/quote]

And you know this how?

 

[ALAYMAN]

Depends. It could be based on praxis, doctrine, politics...

For instance?

And you know this how?

Notice the word "might" in my response.

But to answer your question, anecdotally speaking, I lived that very existence early in my Christian life.  And from experience, when people, like Frankie Schafer for instance, change the manner in which they outwardly associate with conservatives like his father, or are even able to be aptly described as being hostile to such a lifestyle by the words they use to disassociate themselves from identifying with such, it's pretty predictable as to their trajectory.

 

[rsc2a]

Depends. It could be based on praxis, doctrine, politics...

For instance?

AoG: liberal praxis, conservative doctrine, conservative politics
SBC: moderate praxis, conservative doctrine, conservative politics
PCUSA: conservative praxis, liberal doctrine, liberal politics
Orthodox: conservative praxis, conservative doctrine, moderate politics
PCA: conservative praxis, conservative doctrine, conservative politics
RCC: conservative praxis, conservative doctrine, moderate politics
ELCA: conservative praxis, liberal doctrine, liberal politics
UMC: conservative praxis, moderate doctrine, moderate politics
Salvation Army: moderate praxis, moderate doctrine, moderate politics
Evangelical Free: liberal praxis, conservative doctrine, conservative politics
Anglican: conservative praxis, conservative doctrine, moderate politics

(Generally speaking. There are obviously individuals, and often, whole congregations that would not fit the above categories.)

[quote author=ALAYMAN]

And you know this how?

Notice the word "might" in my response.

But to answer your question, anecdotally speaking, I lived that very existence early in my Christian life.  And from experience, when people, like Frankie Schafer for instance, change the manner in which they outwardly associate with conservatives like his father, or are even able to be aptly described as being hostile to such a lifestyle by the words they use to disassociate themselves from identifying with such, it's pretty predictable as to their trajectory.[/quote]

So, in other words, you have no idea.

 

[ALAYMAN]

...
So, in other words, you have no idea.

lol, I have no idea why I even try to hold a conversation with you.



On to other issues with more conversant folk....

Not only did the prosecutor charge San Diego-based musician Tim Lambesis with trying to arrange the murder of his estranged wife, she also claimed the man known by fans around the world for his faith recently said he no longer believes in God.

Source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Christian-Tim-Lambesis-Million-Dollar-Bail-Murder-Hire-Wife-San-Diego-206836711.html#ixzz2SvMXWQDj

He also was struggling with orthodoxy in his journey before this most recent announcement, per this social media piece....

From the special edition commentary…

I wrote the lyrics to A Greater Foundation as a way to process some of the religious beliefs from my childhood that I had let go in exchange for finding truth. Every year that I had put toward my degree in Religious Studies caused me to see the god of tradition and ritual that I grew up with as less and less of a probable truth. By the time I graduated, my entire concept of the divine had changed as I sought to reconcile spirituality and reason. The more I sought truth uncorrupted by years of religious history, the more I kept finding answers I didn’t want to find. Emotionally, it would have been easiest for me to just hold on to what I grew up believing, but mentally that wasn’t an option anymore. In other words, my dedication couldn’t have been more earnest, but heart wasn’t the issue.

Though I had lost so much of my history and felt that my world was falling apart, that was a necessary step toward building my entire way of thinking on the absolute best possible foundation. The hope found in these lyrics is described in the aftermath of demolition for those willing to start from scratch. Unfortunately, most people accept what they have been taught by either their schools or churches without question. Overall, I know that I can do what’s best for myself and those around me by seeking truth above anything else, even when teachings claim to be from god. Education is not God, but truth certainly does set people free.

http://timlambesis.tumblr.com/

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=ALAYMAN]He also was struggling with orthodoxy in his journey before this most recent announcement, per this social media piece....

From the special edition commentary…

I wrote the lyrics to A Greater Foundation as a way to process some of the religious beliefs from my childhood that I had let go in exchange for finding truth. Every year that I had put toward my degree in Religious Studies caused me to see the god of tradition and ritual that I grew up with as less and less of a probable truth. By the time I graduated, my entire concept of the divine had changed as I sought to reconcile spirituality and reason. The more I sought truth uncorrupted by years of religious history, the more I kept finding answers I didn’t want to find. Emotionally, it would have been easiest for me to just hold on to what I grew up believing, but mentally that wasn’t an option anymore. In other words, my dedication couldn’t have been more earnest, but heart wasn’t the issue.

Though I had lost so much of my history and felt that my world was falling apart, that was a necessary step toward building my entire way of thinking on the absolute best possible foundation. The hope found in these lyrics is described in the aftermath of demolition for those willing to start from scratch. Unfortunately, most people accept what they have been taught by either their schools or churches without question. Overall, I know that I can do what’s best for myself and those around me by seeking truth above anything else, even when teachings claim to be from god. Education is not God, but truth certainly does set people free.

http://timlambesis.tumblr.com/[/quote]

He may be struggling with orthodoxy, but that piece you just posted doesn't state that. It states that he was tired of believing simply because he had been told to believe.

Apparently, as he started digging deeper, he found that what he had been taught didn't match up with what he was now learning. He could just have been rejecting the "Jesus" of modern American invention.

And, as an aside, what he was going through can be a very healthy thing.

 

[ALAYMAN]

He may be struggling with orthodoxy, but that piece you just posted doesn't state that. It states that he was tired of believing simply because he had been told to believe.

From early in the article...

“The god I grew up learning about was more like a creation of the 4th century emperor Constantine than anything of 1st century Judeo origin. In fact, the book Pagan Christianity does a pretty good job showing that both Protestant and Catholic denominations have poisonous roots"

Apparently, as he started digging deeper, he found that what he had been taught didn't match up with what he was now learning. He could just have been rejecting the "Jesus" of modern American invention.

No, he rejected Jesus altogether.  That's where agnosticism often leads.

And, as an aside, what he was going through can be a very healthy thing.

Well, I'd say ending up at conspiracy to commit murder wasn't a byproduct of his love of orthodoxy, lol.

 

[rsc2a]

He may be struggling with orthodoxy, but that piece you just posted doesn't state that. It states that he was tired of believing simply because he had been told to believe.

From early in the article...

Alayman didn't tell the whole story and is seeking to dribble information out? Shocked! Shocked, I say! 

[quote author=ALAYMAN]

“The god I grew up learning about was more like a creation of the 4th century emperor Constantine than anything of 1st century Judeo origin. In fact, the book Pagan Christianity does a pretty good job showing that both Protestant and Catholic denominations have poisonous roots"

[/quote]

Yes. I've actually read that book. I know what it says about Jesus. Have you?

[quote author=ALAYMAN]

Apparently, as he started digging deeper, he found that what he had been taught didn't match up with what he was now learning. He could just have been rejecting the "Jesus" of modern American invention.

No, he rejected Jesus altogether.  That's where agnosticism often leads.[/quote]

Your article doesn't say that so far.

[quote author=ALAYMAN]

And, as an aside, what he was going through can be a very healthy thing.

Well, I'd say ending up at conspiracy to commit murder wasn't a byproduct of his love of orthodoxy, lol.[/quote]

Of course not. Do you want me to start pointing out every fault of every Christian that's ever walked this earth? Or do you want to continue to look down your nose at someone so you can pretend like you are better than they are?

 

[ALAYMAN]

Alayman didn't tell the whole story and is seeking to dribble information out? Shocked! Shocked, I say! 

Your laziness or refusal to go and read the very short linked info is not my problem.

 

[rsc2a]

Alayman didn't tell the whole story and is seeking to dribble information out? Shocked! Shocked, I say! 

Your laziness or refusal to go and read the very short linked info is not my problem.

But have you read the book?

 

[ALAYMAN]

But have you read the book?

In the same way that you obviously took the time to read the short link provided.


Why?  Does it provide a reasonable justification for conspiracy to murder your wife, like they did in the pure model of the early church?

 

[rsc2a]

But have you read the book?

In the same way that you obviously took the time to read the short link provided.

I'll take that as a simple "no".

[quote author=ALAYMAN]Why?[/quote]

Because you used his quote about book as a basis for your belief that he's apostate. Clearly, you have no idea what the book actually says.

[quote author=ALAYMAN]Does it provide a reasonable justification for conspiracy to murder your wife, like they did in the pure model of the early church?[/quote]

It provides at least as much justification as the perverts and abusers in fundamentalism find in Scripture for their own behavior.