This is where the X-treme contemporary movement is headed...

[quote author=subllibrm]Ask the catholics that use that line of reasoning. [/quote]

I have.

[quote author=subllibrm]"Bob, do you believe scripture is the inerrant word of God?"

"yes"

"But so many of your doctrines are not found in the bible"

"Many of them are based on tradition and are authorized by "whatsoever ye bind on earth"

"So which has authority, Scripture or tradition?"

"They are equal"[/quote]

Yes...this isn't what the Catholic church teaches. They would argue that their doctrines are found in the Bible, and that Tradition informs them regarding how those parts of the Bible are to be understood.

[quote author=subllibrm]"So what about this verse and it's obvious contradiction with your doctrine?"

"In that case the teachings and traditions of the church take precedence"[/quote]

Again...they aren't arguing about what Scripture says. (See the John 3:16 example.) What they are arguing with is what you understand that Scripture to mean.

[quote author=subllibrm]Just because you haven't had an experience with this "logic" doesn't mean we didn't.[/quote]

Then you weren't talking with someone well versed in Catholic theology.
 
rsc2a said:
[quote author=subllibrm]Ask the catholics that use that line of reasoning.
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I have.

[quote author=subllibrm]"Bob, do you believe scripture is the inerrant word of God?"

"yes"

"But so many of your doctrines are not found in the bible"

"Many of them are based on tradition and are authorized by "whatsoever ye bind on earth"

"So which has authority, Scripture or tradition?"

"They are equal"[/quote]

Yes...this isn't what the Catholic church teaches. They would argue that their doctrines are found in the Bible, and that Tradition informs them regarding how those parts of the Bible are to be understood.

[quote author=subllibrm]"So what about this verse and it's obvious contradiction with your doctrine?"

"In that case the teachings and traditions of the church take precedence"[/quote]

Again...they aren't arguing about what Scripture says. (See the John 3:16 example.) What they are arguing with is what you understand that Scripture to mean.

[quote author=subllibrm]Just because you haven't had an experience with this "logic" doesn't mean we didn't.[/quote]

Then you weren't talking with someone well versed in Catholic theology.
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Nits.

I didn't claim to have had the conversation with the Pope.

BTW this phenomena also appears when speaking to catholic doctrines that are distinctly not in scripture. Praying to Mary for example. Never been presented anything like John 3:16 as an explanation for this tradition. Just that it is tradition. Scriptural support? Nope. Scripture for immaculate conception? Nope. The assumption of Mary? Nope.
 
[quote author=subllibrm]I didn't claim to have had the conversation with the Pope.[/quote]

Neither did I. But your arguments remind me of the IFB pastor who told a bunch of his congregates (in my hearing) that the Catholic church is obviously in error because they don't believe Jesus is God. (In other words, you aren't even addressing what the Catholic church teaches. I have issues with significant portions of their doctrine, but it's at least their doctrine and not something out of my own head.)

[quote author=subllibrm]BTW this phenomena also appears when speaking to catholic doctrines that are distinctly not in scripture. Praying to Mary for example. Never been presented anything like John 3:16 as an explanation for this tradition. Just that it is tradition. Scriptural support? Nope. Scripture for immaculate conception? Nope. The assumption of Mary? Nope.[/quote]

Here is just one cite that gives the Scriptural reasons for their belief in Immaculate Conception. I can provide others (or citations for the other two doctrinal beliefs you mentioned) if you like.

Do I agree with their argument? Nope. But I recognize it is a question of interpretation of the passages in question...in other words, I think my tradition has a better argument than the Catholic one, even though we all agree that the Scripture provided is authoritative. That's the problem with people who claim they are "just being Biblical" or "letting the Bible speak for itself" or "just listening to what the Scripture says". They still have to run those words through the computer between their ears in order to understand what is actually written.
 
The X-Cons (extreme contemporaries) are headed back to the RCC, IMHO. Many are also introducing the Eucharist, burning incense etc into their services because of the improtance  of experience and feeling in worship.
And, the pesky Bible gets in the way of what they want to do....so like the RCC, they add to or simply ignore it.

This article is ahead of the curve, but they will quickly catch up to that level of apostasy.  :(
 
rsc2a said:
But your arguments remind me of the IFB pastor who told a bunch of his congregates (in my hearing) that the Catholic church is obviously in error because they don't believe Jesus is God. (In other words, you aren't even addressing what the Catholic church teaches. I have issues with significant portions of their doctrine, but it's at least their doctrine and not something out of my own head.)
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I haven't "argued" anything. I just related what I have experienced. You attaching my relating of my experience to a preacher who was stating an opinion is pretty silly. I did not say it was church teaching I said it was this guy's explanation to me. Now, the fact that his answers were what his priest told him to tell me in response to my inquiries will likely hold no weight with you but it is how it happened.

BTW the same guy recently told me that the reason that the church's teaching (traditions) trump scripture is that for the first 300+ years, there was no scripture so all authority resided in the church and her teaching. This was what the priest told him to tell me the next time I claimed scriptural authority over church authority. Before you rip this apart, note it is not my "opinion" it is what he told me his priest told him to tell me.

Now I'm sure there are plenty of unseen nits remaining in there for you to pick so have at it.
 
subllibrm said:
rsc2a said:
But your arguments remind me of the IFB pastor who told a bunch of his congregates (in my hearing) that the Catholic church is obviously in error because they don't believe Jesus is God. (In other words, you aren't even addressing what the Catholic church teaches. I have issues with significant portions of their doctrine, but it's at least their doctrine and not something out of my own head.)
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I haven't "argued" anything. I just related what I have experienced. You attaching my relating of my experience to a preacher who was stating an opinion is pretty silly. I did not say it was church teaching I said it was this guy's explanation to me. Now, the fact that his answers were what his priest told him to tell me in response to my inquiries will likely hold no weight with you but it is how it happened.

BTW the same guy recently told me that the reason that the church's teaching (traditions) trump scripture is that for the first 300+ years, there was no scripture so all authority resided in the church and her teaching. This was what the priest told him to tell me the next time I claimed scriptural authority over church authority. Before you rip this apart, note it is not my "opinion" it is what he told me his priest told him to tell me.

Now I'm sure there are plenty of unseen nits remaining in there for you to pick so have at it.
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Ever played Telephone?
 
rsc2a said:
[quote author=subllibrm]BTW the same guy recently told me that the reason that the church's teaching (traditions) trump scripture is that for the first 300+ years, there was no scripture so all authority resided in the church and her teaching. This was what the priest told him to tell me the next time I claimed scriptural authority over church authority. Before you rip this apart, note it is not my "opinion" it is what he told me his priest told him to tell me.

Now I'm sure there are plenty of unseen nits remaining in there for you to pick so have at it.
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Ever played Telephone?[/quote]

Of course a second option could be that the priest didn't have a clue what he was talking about, but I'm sticking with the "Telephone hypothesis".
 
rsc2a said:
rsc2a said:
[quote author=subllibrm]BTW the same guy recently told me that the reason that the church's teaching (traditions) trump scripture is that for the first 300+ years, there was no scripture so all authority resided in the church and her teaching. This was what the priest told him to tell me the next time I claimed scriptural authority over church authority. Before you rip this apart, note it is not my "opinion" it is what he told me his priest told him to tell me.

Now I'm sure there are plenty of unseen nits remaining in there for you to pick so have at it.
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Ever played Telephone?
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Of course a second option could be that the priest didn't have a clue what he was talking about, but I'm sticking with the "Telephone hypothesis".
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Last word.  ::)
 
subllibrm said:
rsc2a said:
But your arguments remind me of the IFB pastor who told a bunch of his congregates (in my hearing) that the Catholic church is obviously in error because they don't believe Jesus is God. (In other words, you aren't even addressing what the Catholic church teaches. I have issues with significant portions of their doctrine, but it's at least their doctrine and not something out of my own head.)
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I haven't "argued" anything. I just related what I have experienced. You attaching my relating of my experience to a preacher who was stating an opinion is pretty silly. I did not say it was church teaching I said it was this guy's explanation to me. Now, the fact that his answers were what his priest told him to tell me in response to my inquiries will likely hold no weight with you but it is how it happened.

BTW the same guy recently told me that the reason that the church's teaching (traditions) trump scripture is that for the first 300+ years, there was no scripture so all authority resided in the church and her teaching. This was what the priest told him to tell me the next time I claimed scriptural authority over church authority. Before you rip this apart, note it is not my "opinion" it is what he told me his priest told him to tell me.

Now I'm sure there are plenty of unseen nits remaining in there for you to pick so have at it.
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I feel your pain :).
rsc2a is consistently obtuse...either purposely or due to a learning defect...I suspect the former. ;D
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
The X-Cons (extreme contemporaries) are headed back to the RCC, IMHO. Many are also introducing the Eucharist, burning incense etc into their services because of the improtance  of experience and feeling in worship.
And, the pesky Bible gets in the way of what they want to do....so like the RCC, they add to or simply ignore it.

This article is ahead of the curve, but they will quickly catch up to that level of apostasy.  :(
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I agree, Mama is calling home her babies.  Then she'll hand them over to the False Prophet, and the Man of Sin.

Anishinabe

 
Smellin Coffee was unable to do this here, so I'm helping him out

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