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The Presidential Vote Update
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FYI, I respect you and fishinnut's choice even though I may disagree with it. If you believe the politics of the Republican party best reflect your positions, then by all means, vote that way. My hang up is with Christians who link Republican values as being godly and Democratic issues as being ungodly. In reality, both have godly AND ungodly positions within the way they do their business. There are Christians on both sides of the ledger who believe their politics has a monopoly on the truth and the arrogance is bothersome to me. (FYI, I do NOT feel the arrogance from either you or fishinnut, just a general observation about some people in politics and various social media outlets.)
In my conscience, I cannot vote for the Presidential candidate for either major party. I have good friends on both sides of the ledger who disagree with me and that doesn't make me think my decision is a better one than theirs, or that they are wrong. We all have specific things that mean more to us. For example, a military person might support a candidate with stronger military attention to veterans and soldiers. A parent of an autistic child might prefer a candidate based on how much support can be had in caring for that child's need, financially and materially.
I don't mind people voting their conscience for Trump. I do mind them criticizing the other side for their immoral or seeming unbiblical behaviors (or seeming support thereof) when their own party is corrupt to the core. I will call out those who railed on Bill Clinton for his indiscretions, but who will turn a blind eye to Trump's. I will call out those who claim to vote and insist others vote on the basis of "family values" when their leading candidate is the complete opposite. I will call out the fact Christians have been duped by the Republican party on the issue of morality and values, infiltrating faith in Christ with partisan politics.
Again, please vote for the candidate according to your own conscience. Just don't think lesser of followers of Christ who agree more with the other side.
There is no ill-will on my part for thinking differently than I do.
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My Position on Voting in this Election
By Tim Lee
First of all--Donald Trump?s sins and indiscretions cannot be defended. After listening to the audiotape I recoiled just like you did when I heard his utterly descriptive gutter language. My face blushed with shock and anger when he described his intentions with women?married or single. Donald Trump is not a perfect or sinless man! But do you remember friends, four years ago, we did have a squeaky-clean candidate running for President: Mitt Romney. He was the ideal moral man in every sense of the word?but he was a Mormon! We didn?t want to vote for a Mormon! Are we looking for the perfect sinless man to run for our nation?s highest office? Well let me clue you in: There are none available!
The problem with most of America is that we no longer know how to blush when we hear such language as we heard on the audiotape by Trump. And again, the hypocrisy of the press in acting so stunned at Trump?s language towards women is pathetic! Do you realize that 125 million copies of ?Fifty Shades of Grey? have been purchased (mostly by women!) and millions more watched the movie in theaters? Who?s kidding who? We laugh at things said on The Tonight Show that 10 years ago we would have been embarrassed about. And it is totally amazing at the 1950?s Leave It to Beaver innocence of liberals who have suddenly received a Victorian infusion of moral righteousness! Such holy ears these fine Democrats have! These are the same people who worship Hollywood and its production of sexual filth not fit for a dog to watch, much less a family. They say they are ?appalled? at the language of Donald Trump. I laughed out loud on that one!
Donald Trump has apologized to his family and to the American people and said he is embarrassed by all of this. Is his apology sincere? I accept his apology the same as I would from you if you had been caught saying such a thing and you apologized for it. I for one am very grateful that God is a God of second chances and a God of forgiveness.
Let me give you another side note. Early in the primary campaign a good friend of mine was invited aboard Donald Trump?s plane after a debate in a mid-western state. My friend and his wife, who are very down to earth people, were thinking that ?Trump the billionaire? would serve Champaign and caviar to all the boarded guests, however, to their great surprise he sent to Wendy?s for cheeseburgers. After they were settled into their seats a conversation about the Bible and Christianity ensued. My friend thought Mr. Trump and his wife would ignore them or even possibly get upset. However, just the opposite occurred. For one solid hour they talked about the Bible and multiple questions were asked and answered. Not one time did Mr. Trump interrupt. Not one time was Mr. Trump rude. Are Mr. Trump and his wife believers? I don?t know. And some may be thinking now ?Well, if Trump is a Christian his language and actions should reflect that.? Immature Christians may say or do some surprising things. For example, I was preaching in Austin, Texas several years ago and a man who was in his mid-thirties had been converted that Sunday morning. Sunday evening before church he came and sat between Connie and I. He was so thrilled and happy over his salvation experience that morning that he suddenly blurted out, ?You are a hell of a preacher!? Well, I knew his language was wrong but I still couldn?t help but laugh a bit. He was a brand new Christian!
Again, what Trump said 11 years ago is not in any way shape or form defensible. It?s shameful. I personally think that this revealed audiotape has humbled him and shamed him?and, made him a better man. I agree with him?he?s not the same man he was eleven years ago! His remorse seems real to me. Would not many of us be horrified and ashamed if words we had used in our past had been secretly recorded and played back to millions of people? I think the man is a changed man in many ways! Let?s give him another chance!
Friends, there may be other recordings of Trump to come. No one knows. These tapes were available during the primaries. As Senator Cruz has asked ?Why did they wait until now to release them?? This was timed for the ultimate negative effect by experienced Democratic henchmen who will do anything possible to destroy the candidacy of Donald Trump. This is without doubt the devious work of the Clinton hit squad.
And do any of us think that such recordings do not exist on the Clintons? Their indiscretions are insurmountable and cannot be defended as well.
When Hillary Clinton was a defense lawyer she defended a rapist that she knew was guilty of raping a 12-year-old girl. When she won the case the rapist was set free and there is a recording of Hillary Clinton laughing out loud?twice, at this poor 12-year old girl. What kind of monster reacts like that? Here is what that 12-year-old girl who is now an adult woman said on Twitter last night after Hillary said she wanted to ?help? children so much. Her name is Kathy Shelton [Kathy Shelton @KathyShelton]. She said quote, ?Hillary, if you want to help the children so much?Why didn?t you help me when I was 12 and let my rapist go free?? #debate
I challenge all of you to go to Kathy?s twitter account and read the material for yourself.
Friends, I warn you: this dirty, grimy election is not over--it is far from over, and, without a doubt we haven?t seen the dirtiest ploys and tactics yet. It will get more sinister and much nastier. The Clintons are royal masters of cruelty and deception! Everything the Clintons do is with premeditated cold calculation. Trump has put fear within the press, Hillary Clinton and the whole Democratic Party. They did not expect him to suddenly appear on the political horizon. She thought this would be easy. She thought she was a shoe-in for this election. She learned otherwise. Trump has been a formidable and worthy opponent for the Clinton Machine and the whole diluted Democratic Party.
The liberal media is so blatantly biased it is indescribable and they don?t care that we know it. They could care less about your concerns in this election or for the country. Their arrogance is a stench in this nation. They have no respect for the American people and don?t truly believe we deserve to know the whole truth. There is so much deceit, corruption and pure inbred wickedness involving the Clintons that it can?t be fully documented?and the press says absolutely nothing about it. They choose to focus all their attention on the elevator language of Donald Trump totally ignoring the glaring and manifold hypocrisies of Hillary Clinton. It's like having two basketball teams playing against one another with every call going in favor of one team and all of the bad calls going against the other team. That tells you one thing: The referees are bought and paid for by the team getting all the calls in their favor. The globalists and the powerful clandestine ruling powers that be are totally on the Clinton?s side, and against the American people! This will not change don?t expect it to. My prediction is that it will get much worse.
If elected President, Hillary Clinton will utterly destroy America as we have known it. She has already warned Christians that their beliefs must change in order to go along with her leftist socialist agenda, or they will be what? Fined? Persecuted by the Internal Revenue? Repressed in some other way? Imprisoned? Don?t put any of this past her. Hillary Clinton is determined to shut down the voice of the church, and to shut down the Christian voice in America! She will try to out-do Barrack Obama and that will take some doing, but she is fiercely determined, well funded and powerfully protected by the American press. And if you think you?ve seen the worst of the American press let me assure you?they?re just getting started. A Clinton victory in November will be a devastating blow to American Christians, for the church, for morality and for the values we have treasured and fought for in two world wars. This woman is capable of destroying all our American heritage and cherished beliefs in one term. Barrack Obama has already effectively laid the groundwork for such to happen.
WHY I WILL VOTE TRUMP-PENCE NOVEMBER 8TH
1. The Supreme Court
Donald Trump has stated (Restated again last night) clearly that he will appoint strict constitutionalist Judges who will not seek to govern but to defend and protect the doctrines of our constitution. This is part of his making America great again program. He gave a list of 12 prototypical Judges he would appoint to the Supreme Court. All of them are constitutionalists and all of them would make quality replacements for Antonin Scalia. Will he keep his word? I don't know. That remains to be seen. I personally believe he will. However, I do know without a shadow of a doubt what Hillary Clinton will do. She will elect some of the most corrupt liberal Judges to ever sit on the Supreme Court of the United States. Think about this also friend: Barrack Obama has appointed 269 federal judges to lifetime appointments making their rulings virtually impossible to over turn! Many vitally important cases for our freedoms and values never get to the Supreme Court they are decided by these liberal bias judges. Our rights, our values, our most cherished American ideals are being vanquished by leftist, socialist judges that we never hear of. They are decided by federal judges like the 9th circuit court of appeals which is known for their ceaseless socialistic activism and rank liberalism.
Making abortion easier to attain on every level will be at the forefront of a Hillary Clinton agenda and presidency. In order to accomplish this she must appoint acutely liberal judges. Every measure of success that conservatives have made in recent years to try and curtail abortion and to stop partial birth abortion will be forever abolished!
Just this one reason is reason enough to vote against Hillary Clinton and for Donald Trump.
But there is another reason:
2. Your 2nd amendment Gun rights and mine. Hillary Clinton hates the 2nd amendment! I personally think she hates gun owners! We?re her ?deplorables?! She has stated clearly and unapologetically that she wants stricter and bolder gun control laws meaning: she wants the guns of law-abiding citizens put out of commission. Folks, if she's saying this publicly and unashamedly now--mark my words, this wolf in sheep?s clothing will fight to her dying breath to take your guns and to totally and completely deny you the right to defend your God-given rights and the rights of your family! The sinister motives of Hillary Clinton are being skillfully hidden and camouflaged right now by a powerful American press, and the elite rich who cover for her, make no mistake about it! This powerful unrestrained politician wants my guns and yours. She also desires to control the health care system, the public school system, the traditional American family, the colleges, local, state and federal government and the crown jewel: the American people!!!
3. Just a few days ago my dear wife Connie posted a very moving statement on FACEBOOK. I challenge you to take a long look at it. She said in part, ?My grandchildren are six precious reasons to vote against Hillary Clinton. It's not my generation or even my children's generation that concerns me?it is my grandchildren?s generation and the world they will inherit if we fail to stop this out-of-control woman named Hillary Clinton!!
We will have this next election to defeat Hillary Clinton. If we lose, our future as patriotic Americans is very dark. The effects will be immediate.
Tim Lee will vote for Donald Trump. Nothing has ever been clearer in my mind.
Stand with me!
Let?s defend this nation at the polls on November 8th!
By Tim Lee
First of all--Donald Trump?s sins and indiscretions cannot be defended. After listening to the audiotape I recoiled just like you did when I heard his utterly descriptive gutter language. My face blushed with shock and anger when he described his intentions with women?married or single. Donald Trump is not a perfect or sinless man! But do you remember friends, four years ago, we did have a squeaky-clean candidate running for President: Mitt Romney. He was the ideal moral man in every sense of the word?but he was a Mormon! We didn?t want to vote for a Mormon! Are we looking for the perfect sinless man to run for our nation?s highest office? Well let me clue you in: There are none available!
The problem with most of America is that we no longer know how to blush when we hear such language as we heard on the audiotape by Trump. And again, the hypocrisy of the press in acting so stunned at Trump?s language towards women is pathetic! Do you realize that 125 million copies of ?Fifty Shades of Grey? have been purchased (mostly by women!) and millions more watched the movie in theaters? Who?s kidding who? We laugh at things said on The Tonight Show that 10 years ago we would have been embarrassed about. And it is totally amazing at the 1950?s Leave It to Beaver innocence of liberals who have suddenly received a Victorian infusion of moral righteousness! Such holy ears these fine Democrats have! These are the same people who worship Hollywood and its production of sexual filth not fit for a dog to watch, much less a family. They say they are ?appalled? at the language of Donald Trump. I laughed out loud on that one!
Donald Trump has apologized to his family and to the American people and said he is embarrassed by all of this. Is his apology sincere? I accept his apology the same as I would from you if you had been caught saying such a thing and you apologized for it. I for one am very grateful that God is a God of second chances and a God of forgiveness.
Let me give you another side note. Early in the primary campaign a good friend of mine was invited aboard Donald Trump?s plane after a debate in a mid-western state. My friend and his wife, who are very down to earth people, were thinking that ?Trump the billionaire? would serve Champaign and caviar to all the boarded guests, however, to their great surprise he sent to Wendy?s for cheeseburgers. After they were settled into their seats a conversation about the Bible and Christianity ensued. My friend thought Mr. Trump and his wife would ignore them or even possibly get upset. However, just the opposite occurred. For one solid hour they talked about the Bible and multiple questions were asked and answered. Not one time did Mr. Trump interrupt. Not one time was Mr. Trump rude. Are Mr. Trump and his wife believers? I don?t know. And some may be thinking now ?Well, if Trump is a Christian his language and actions should reflect that.? Immature Christians may say or do some surprising things. For example, I was preaching in Austin, Texas several years ago and a man who was in his mid-thirties had been converted that Sunday morning. Sunday evening before church he came and sat between Connie and I. He was so thrilled and happy over his salvation experience that morning that he suddenly blurted out, ?You are a hell of a preacher!? Well, I knew his language was wrong but I still couldn?t help but laugh a bit. He was a brand new Christian!
Again, what Trump said 11 years ago is not in any way shape or form defensible. It?s shameful. I personally think that this revealed audiotape has humbled him and shamed him?and, made him a better man. I agree with him?he?s not the same man he was eleven years ago! His remorse seems real to me. Would not many of us be horrified and ashamed if words we had used in our past had been secretly recorded and played back to millions of people? I think the man is a changed man in many ways! Let?s give him another chance!
Friends, there may be other recordings of Trump to come. No one knows. These tapes were available during the primaries. As Senator Cruz has asked ?Why did they wait until now to release them?? This was timed for the ultimate negative effect by experienced Democratic henchmen who will do anything possible to destroy the candidacy of Donald Trump. This is without doubt the devious work of the Clinton hit squad.
And do any of us think that such recordings do not exist on the Clintons? Their indiscretions are insurmountable and cannot be defended as well.
When Hillary Clinton was a defense lawyer she defended a rapist that she knew was guilty of raping a 12-year-old girl. When she won the case the rapist was set free and there is a recording of Hillary Clinton laughing out loud?twice, at this poor 12-year old girl. What kind of monster reacts like that? Here is what that 12-year-old girl who is now an adult woman said on Twitter last night after Hillary said she wanted to ?help? children so much. Her name is Kathy Shelton [Kathy Shelton @KathyShelton]. She said quote, ?Hillary, if you want to help the children so much?Why didn?t you help me when I was 12 and let my rapist go free?? #debate
I challenge all of you to go to Kathy?s twitter account and read the material for yourself.
Friends, I warn you: this dirty, grimy election is not over--it is far from over, and, without a doubt we haven?t seen the dirtiest ploys and tactics yet. It will get more sinister and much nastier. The Clintons are royal masters of cruelty and deception! Everything the Clintons do is with premeditated cold calculation. Trump has put fear within the press, Hillary Clinton and the whole Democratic Party. They did not expect him to suddenly appear on the political horizon. She thought this would be easy. She thought she was a shoe-in for this election. She learned otherwise. Trump has been a formidable and worthy opponent for the Clinton Machine and the whole diluted Democratic Party.
The liberal media is so blatantly biased it is indescribable and they don?t care that we know it. They could care less about your concerns in this election or for the country. Their arrogance is a stench in this nation. They have no respect for the American people and don?t truly believe we deserve to know the whole truth. There is so much deceit, corruption and pure inbred wickedness involving the Clintons that it can?t be fully documented?and the press says absolutely nothing about it. They choose to focus all their attention on the elevator language of Donald Trump totally ignoring the glaring and manifold hypocrisies of Hillary Clinton. It's like having two basketball teams playing against one another with every call going in favor of one team and all of the bad calls going against the other team. That tells you one thing: The referees are bought and paid for by the team getting all the calls in their favor. The globalists and the powerful clandestine ruling powers that be are totally on the Clinton?s side, and against the American people! This will not change don?t expect it to. My prediction is that it will get much worse.
If elected President, Hillary Clinton will utterly destroy America as we have known it. She has already warned Christians that their beliefs must change in order to go along with her leftist socialist agenda, or they will be what? Fined? Persecuted by the Internal Revenue? Repressed in some other way? Imprisoned? Don?t put any of this past her. Hillary Clinton is determined to shut down the voice of the church, and to shut down the Christian voice in America! She will try to out-do Barrack Obama and that will take some doing, but she is fiercely determined, well funded and powerfully protected by the American press. And if you think you?ve seen the worst of the American press let me assure you?they?re just getting started. A Clinton victory in November will be a devastating blow to American Christians, for the church, for morality and for the values we have treasured and fought for in two world wars. This woman is capable of destroying all our American heritage and cherished beliefs in one term. Barrack Obama has already effectively laid the groundwork for such to happen.
WHY I WILL VOTE TRUMP-PENCE NOVEMBER 8TH
1. The Supreme Court
Donald Trump has stated (Restated again last night) clearly that he will appoint strict constitutionalist Judges who will not seek to govern but to defend and protect the doctrines of our constitution. This is part of his making America great again program. He gave a list of 12 prototypical Judges he would appoint to the Supreme Court. All of them are constitutionalists and all of them would make quality replacements for Antonin Scalia. Will he keep his word? I don't know. That remains to be seen. I personally believe he will. However, I do know without a shadow of a doubt what Hillary Clinton will do. She will elect some of the most corrupt liberal Judges to ever sit on the Supreme Court of the United States. Think about this also friend: Barrack Obama has appointed 269 federal judges to lifetime appointments making their rulings virtually impossible to over turn! Many vitally important cases for our freedoms and values never get to the Supreme Court they are decided by these liberal bias judges. Our rights, our values, our most cherished American ideals are being vanquished by leftist, socialist judges that we never hear of. They are decided by federal judges like the 9th circuit court of appeals which is known for their ceaseless socialistic activism and rank liberalism.
Making abortion easier to attain on every level will be at the forefront of a Hillary Clinton agenda and presidency. In order to accomplish this she must appoint acutely liberal judges. Every measure of success that conservatives have made in recent years to try and curtail abortion and to stop partial birth abortion will be forever abolished!
Just this one reason is reason enough to vote against Hillary Clinton and for Donald Trump.
But there is another reason:
2. Your 2nd amendment Gun rights and mine. Hillary Clinton hates the 2nd amendment! I personally think she hates gun owners! We?re her ?deplorables?! She has stated clearly and unapologetically that she wants stricter and bolder gun control laws meaning: she wants the guns of law-abiding citizens put out of commission. Folks, if she's saying this publicly and unashamedly now--mark my words, this wolf in sheep?s clothing will fight to her dying breath to take your guns and to totally and completely deny you the right to defend your God-given rights and the rights of your family! The sinister motives of Hillary Clinton are being skillfully hidden and camouflaged right now by a powerful American press, and the elite rich who cover for her, make no mistake about it! This powerful unrestrained politician wants my guns and yours. She also desires to control the health care system, the public school system, the traditional American family, the colleges, local, state and federal government and the crown jewel: the American people!!!
3. Just a few days ago my dear wife Connie posted a very moving statement on FACEBOOK. I challenge you to take a long look at it. She said in part, ?My grandchildren are six precious reasons to vote against Hillary Clinton. It's not my generation or even my children's generation that concerns me?it is my grandchildren?s generation and the world they will inherit if we fail to stop this out-of-control woman named Hillary Clinton!!
We will have this next election to defeat Hillary Clinton. If we lose, our future as patriotic Americans is very dark. The effects will be immediate.
Tim Lee will vote for Donald Trump. Nothing has ever been clearer in my mind.
Stand with me!
Let?s defend this nation at the polls on November 8th!
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Jesus may disagree with Tim. https://www.dropbox.com/s/a40z724b2e59r88/2016-10-10%2022.49.11.jpg?dl=0
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Evangelicals be like this with Trump. https://www.dropbox.com/s/nco56x2pzy0hepa/FB_IMG_1476569594586.jpg?dl=0
Believers who may vote for Trump are simply voting against who the liberals have designated as their candidate.
I will be one who will vote against Clinton.
I will be one who will vote against Clinton.
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I am shocked that anyone would claim to be a Christian and willingly admit to voting for Trump.
God doesn't care if you vote*, but if you feel it is somehow your "duty" then stop with all these lies about third party candidates.
1. Your vote will not affect the election. Seriously, go back to every election since the day you were born and see what the results would have been if you had voted differently. Let me guess - no change whatsoever.
2. Since your vote will not affect the election feel free to vote for a third party or not vote if you choose.
My favorite idiocy is the whole "a vote for McMullin/Johnson/Castle/Stein is a vote for Clinton." That's absurd to anyone with a modicum of intelligence since BOTH sides will make that claim.
*if you think God cares then why vote? If God wants Clinton to be our next president you can't exactly overturn God. Unless your God is really impotent.
God doesn't care if you vote*, but if you feel it is somehow your "duty" then stop with all these lies about third party candidates.
1. Your vote will not affect the election. Seriously, go back to every election since the day you were born and see what the results would have been if you had voted differently. Let me guess - no change whatsoever.
2. Since your vote will not affect the election feel free to vote for a third party or not vote if you choose.
My favorite idiocy is the whole "a vote for McMullin/Johnson/Castle/Stein is a vote for Clinton." That's absurd to anyone with a modicum of intelligence since BOTH sides will make that claim.
*if you think God cares then why vote? If God wants Clinton to be our next president you can't exactly overturn God. Unless your God is really impotent.
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Twisted said:
Call it whatever, but if you believe that God cares who wins the election then you can't also believe that you should vote unless you believe God is weak. Do you seriously believe God would want Trump to win and then get stymied because everyone votes for Clinton?
I personally don't think God cares who wins. There isn't one single thing that God can't accomplish no matter who the president is.
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Darkwing Duck said:
I personally think that God could care less who is in the White House, or Congress, or the Kremlin....
It's called free will and you reap what you sow.
Now, does He care about Israel? You bet!
It looks like you are a sterling example of tact, decorum, class & politeness. NOT.Darkwing Duck said:
I'll bet you have to yearly trim down your friends listing on social media because of all the "Friends" request you generate.
BTW..........Welcome to The United States of America where it is a privilege as part of our freedoms to cast a vote for the highest office in the land.
Another BTW.......Do you also refuse to go to the grocery store because God is in control, so why bother shopping if He is the one who ultimately supplies anyway?
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Romans 13
[1]Let euery soule be subiect vnto the higher powers: for there is no power but of God: and the powers that be, are ordeined of God.
This verse makes it clear that God voted for the Democratic candidate the last two presidential elections, and may make it three for three. Is not this verse ultimately calvinistic?
[1]Let euery soule be subiect vnto the higher powers: for there is no power but of God: and the powers that be, are ordeined of God.
This verse makes it clear that God voted for the Democratic candidate the last two presidential elections, and may make it three for three. Is not this verse ultimately calvinistic?
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Twisted said:
EXACTLY!!!! Only Trump`s wall will prevent that in the future.
Not sure I buy the logic that since God is all powerful we don't need to vote.
This is completely contrary to what we see through out the old testament. God provided manna, but they had to gather it or they would die. God brought them to Canaan, but they were afraid to go in so they wandered for 40 years. Over and over God provided a way, but they had to do their part. What happened to those who did not walk up the ramp into the ARK, they died. Sometimes bad things happen as a judgment for wrong doing and sometimes they happen because we are to complacent and lazy to do our part.
For a generation (since the end of the moral majority movement) preacher's have discouraged political involvement and most Christians have not been active beyond voting, so we get what we get. There are enough conservative Christians in the U.S. to greatly influence local, state & federal elections if we were active but we are not. We had better choices in the primary but we did not actively endorse & support them.
This is completely contrary to what we see through out the old testament. God provided manna, but they had to gather it or they would die. God brought them to Canaan, but they were afraid to go in so they wandered for 40 years. Over and over God provided a way, but they had to do their part. What happened to those who did not walk up the ramp into the ARK, they died. Sometimes bad things happen as a judgment for wrong doing and sometimes they happen because we are to complacent and lazy to do our part.
For a generation (since the end of the moral majority movement) preacher's have discouraged political involvement and most Christians have not been active beyond voting, so we get what we get. There are enough conservative Christians in the U.S. to greatly influence local, state & federal elections if we were active but we are not. We had better choices in the primary but we did not actively endorse & support them.
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You mean His whore ex?Twisted said:
Yeah, He cares.
He'll wipe her out, come down and personally reestablish Her, during the Millennium.
Right now She is the object of His Wrath, not His affection.
earnestly contend
For the first in the last 25 years I missed the loud, booming, strike-to-the-heart-of-the-matter, answers to liberals that JH was so good at in his preaching.
I listened to about 10 minutes of the debate tonight when Clinton raise her voice & lied in answer to Trump's disgust & description of partial birth abortion in the abortion debate and said that what Trump had describe just wasn't so. She then talked about the women that she had talked to over the course of her life who have had to make such a horrible decision to abort a baby .
I can just see & hear JH pound the podium and say something like, "Well then I will raise my voice for those who have no voice because of Roe v Wade!"
I listened to about 10 minutes of the debate tonight when Clinton raise her voice & lied in answer to Trump's disgust & description of partial birth abortion in the abortion debate and said that what Trump had describe just wasn't so. She then talked about the women that she had talked to over the course of her life who have had to make such a horrible decision to abort a baby .
I can just see & hear JH pound the podium and say something like, "Well then I will raise my voice for those who have no voice because of Roe v Wade!"