The Letters of Jack Hyles

[Fresh Air]

I'm glad Ray Young got them, and I hope he takes good care of them. That way, when someone with some actual intellectual integrity goes to write a biography there will be primary sources. CS, BG, and RY aren't that person, but that person will come along someday, I think.

 

[Bravo]

I wonder how difficult it is for the sycophants to figure out what to do with themselves now that we have a pastor who does not want to be idolized? The obvious answer is to reach back and do a little more idolizing of pastors past...

I honestly feel bad for the Wilkerson's in regards to this. The sycophants are still here to do their "sycophanting" so to speak. Then there's the other end, those like us,... Sincere, loving God but skeptical of the RY's and EL's on staff therefore a bit hesitant on things.

 

[16KJV11]

At least they are doing something with them. They were about ruined when they had them sitting in the administrative garage for years. 

As far as numbers of letters ... There was a lot, could not even venture a guess, but dozens and dozens of boxes.  In them was pretty much every memo and letter while at FBCH.  They were all carbon copies, but interesting none the less. Letters to Pastors, members, friends, they were pretty insightful into Bro.  Hyles life as a  pastor.

It is a bummer that this coincides with my book,  "The memos of Ray Young".  There are some doozies in there.

Those would be entertaining.  Do any of them rate with Ray Young chewing out Garnet Bandy (sp?) in Church Ed?

Can you recount what happened that day and tell me the story?
I remember Garnet, but I don't remember him getting chewed out in CE.

 

[Bravo]

At least they are doing something with them. They were about ruined when they had them sitting in the administrative garage for years. 

As far as numbers of letters ... There was a lot, could not even venture a guess, but dozens and dozens of boxes.  In them was pretty much every memo and letter while at FBCH.  They were all carbon copies, but interesting none the less. Letters to Pastors, members, friends, they were pretty insightful into Bro.  Hyles life as a  pastor.

It is a bummer that this coincides with my book,  "The memos of Ray Young".  There are some doozies in there.

Those would be entertaining.  Do any of them rate with Ray Young chewing out Garnet Bandy (sp?) in Church Ed?

Can you recount what happened that day and tell me the story?
I remember Garnet, but I don't remember him getting chewed out in CE.

It is the stuff of legend.

 

[BALAAM]

At least they are doing something with them. They were about ruined when they had them sitting in the administrative garage for years. 

As far as numbers of letters ... There was a lot, could not even venture a guess, but dozens and dozens of boxes.  In them was pretty much every memo and letter while at FBCH.  They were all carbon copies, but interesting none the less. Letters to Pastors, members, friends, they were pretty insightful into Bro.  Hyles life as a  pastor.

It is a bummer that this coincides with my book,  "The memos of Ray Young".  There are some doozies in there.

Those would be entertaining.  Do any of them rate with Ray Young chewing out Garnet Bandy (sp?) in Church Ed?

Can you recount what happened that day and tell me the story?
I remember Garnet, but I don't remember him getting chewed out in CE.

Supposedly, Garnett Bandy stopped Ray's secretary in the hall with some questions about the church ed class. (Miss Wier at the time) Apparently her answers did not satisfy him and he continued to ask for specific answers to questions about church ed. The next day Ray stood him up in class and belittled him for having the audacity to stop his secretary in the hall and ask questions. Blamed him for wasting her time and asked him to tell the entire class what his questions were. Made him feel like a fool for sure. But,  Garnett Bandy probably liked the attention??  I'm thinking? Knowing him a little.

 

[PappaBear]

Ray Young has a man-crush on Jack Hyles.

I remember in Church Ed him telling how Bro. Hyles supposedly prayed all the traffic lights green when he was driving and they were running late for an event at one Pastor's School.

Did you believe it was Bro. Hyles prayers that did it or was it just the timing of the lights.

It has happened to me also but I didn't presume myself so important as to inconvenience others at the intersections. Since I didn't pray what turned the lights for me?

I believe it was another political story designed to provoke us to greater "worship."  (If you know what I mean)

 

[patriotic]

Ray Young has a man-crush on Jack Hyles.

I remember in Church Ed him telling how Bro. Hyles supposedly prayed all the traffic lights green when he was driving and they were running late for an event at one Pastor's School.

Did you believe it was Bro. Hyles prayers that did it or was it just the timing of the lights.

It has happened to me also but I didn't presume myself so important as to inconvenience others at the intersections. Since I didn't pray what turned the lights for me?

I have thought about this quite often in past few days as I have to take a detour that involves regularly spaced traffic signals.  I know they say they are timed for people who are driving at the posted speed limit.  I have done somewhat of an unscientific study on it in my driving the past few days. 

Yet, as I did that, I realized that God took 5 loaves and 2 small fish and fed 5000+ people with leftovers to surpass any American Thanksgiving dinner.  Surely, in the nearby town, shopkeepers, fishermen, and other vendors were "inconvenienced" perhaps by the loss of income from the business all those people may have provided had they been sent away to eat.  There may have been several wives and mothers who had cooked for their men only to have them come home late already filled and no longer hungry.  (No greater inconvenience could be imagined by any male.)   

In Acts 16, Paul cast out a damsel's spirit of divination.  Her masters were rather inconvenienced by it and furthermore, Paul - even though God knew ahead of time it would happen - also was rather inconvenienced by it because he was whipped.  Now, God could have healed her without using Paul as a vessel and allowing it all to come before the magistrates. 

I cannot answer for certain whether God cared enough to keep the lights all green for him when he prayed even to the inconvenience of others.  I cannot answer whether God has kept lights green for the unpraying folk either. 

BUT, I can say, if he prayed and it happened, he can believe it was an answer to a prayer of faith.  We don't have to understand things to believe them. 

Sometimes we don't even have to pray for God to show us he cares enough to give us green lights when we really need them. 

Just think, he loves the "un-praying" gentleman just as much as he loves Bro. Hyles, but as a Father, he loves to have his children ask.  My children are allowed just about anything that's in our refrigerator, but when they ask (pray) first, I LOVE to give it to them and satisfy their longings.

Just my take on it.  I'm sure some will think my faith is far too simple for me to ever be a great Christian.  That's ok.  Go ahead and think it. 

 

[RAIDER]

I have thought about this quite often in past few days as I have to take a detour that involves regularly spaced traffic signals.  I know they say they are timed for people who are driving at the posted speed limit.  I have done somewhat of an unscientific study on it in my driving the past few days. 

Yet, as I did that, I realized that God took 5 loaves and 2 small fish and fed 5000+ people with leftovers to surpass any American Thanksgiving dinner.  Surely, in the nearby town, shopkeepers, fishermen, and other vendors were "inconvenienced" perhaps by the loss of income from the business all those people may have provided had they been sent away to eat.  There may have been several wives and mothers who had cooked for their men only to have them come home late already filled and no longer hungry.  (No greater inconvenience could be imagined by any male.)   

In Acts 16, Paul cast out a damsel's spirit of divination.  Her masters were rather inconvenienced by it and furthermore, Paul - even though God knew ahead of time it would happen - also was rather inconvenienced by it because he was whipped.  Now, God could have healed her without using Paul as a vessel and allowing it all to come before the magistrates. 

I cannot answer for certain whether God cared enough to keep the lights all green for him when he prayed even to the inconvenience of others.  I cannot answer whether God has kept lights green for the unpraying folk either. 

BUT, I can say, if he prayed and it happened, he can believe it was an answer to a prayer of faith.  We don't have to understand things to believe them. 

Sometimes we don't even have to pray for God to show us he cares enough to give us green lights when we really need them. 

Just think, he loves the "un-praying" gentleman just as much as he loves Bro. Hyles, but as a Father, he loves to have his children ask.  My children are allowed just about anything that's in our refrigerator, but when they ask (pray) first, I LOVE to give it to them and satisfy their longings.

Just my take on it.  I'm sure some will think my faith is far too simple for me to ever be a great Christian.  That's ok.  Go ahead and think it.

Now that's putting the jelly on the bottom shelf!

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

Visited a church yesterday, and I doubt anybody there had any idea who Jack Hyles was. In the bulletin was a "reading" about a guy who stopped to help a kid with something. When he was done, the kid looked up at him and asked, "Are you Jesus?" Don't know how he answered. That's as far as I got. Had to close the bulletin and hold it in

 

[bgwilkinson]

Visited a church yesterday, and I doubt anybody there had any idea who Jack Hyles was. In the bulletin was a "reading" about a guy who stopped to help a kid with something. When he was done, the kid looked up at him and asked, "Are you Jesus?" Don't know how he answered. That's as far as I got. Had to close the bulletin and hold it in

I wonder who told that originally?

 

[Bravo]

Visited a church yesterday, and I doubt anybody there had any idea who Jack Hyles was. In the bulletin was a "reading" about a guy who stopped to help a kid with something. When he was done, the kid looked up at him and asked, "Are you Jesus?" Don't know how he answered. That's as far as I got. Had to close the bulletin and hold it in

I wonder who told that originally?

Maybe Jesus Himself?

 

[PappaBear]

I cannot answer for certain whether God cared enough to keep the lights all green for him when he prayed even to the inconvenience of others.  I cannot answer whether God has kept lights green for the unpraying folk either. 

BUT, I can say, if he prayed and it happened, he can believe it was an answer to a prayer of faith.  We don't have to understand things to believe them. 

Glory to God, patriotic!  But it wasn't presented that way in Church Ed.  You are right, it could happen to me.  For that matter, it could have been Ray Young to pray and change the lights to green as needed.  (The full story had the lights, which they knew were timed, changing to let them pass without slowing down out of their normal synch)  But the story was told to let us know that it was Hyles who had "the power" with his prayer and we were to stand back in awe.  At least, that was my take on it.

And the problem then was that God does not share His glory with another. 

 

[bgwilkinson]

Visited a church yesterday, and I doubt anybody there had any idea who Jack Hyles was. In the bulletin was a "reading" about a guy who stopped to help a kid with something. When he was done, the kid looked up at him and asked, "Are you Jesus?" Don't know how he answered. That's as far as I got. Had to close the bulletin and hold it in

I wonder who told that originally?

Maybe Jesus Himself?

When you spend hours in Bible study things just pop into your head and out your mouth when one gets excited. "She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God"

 

[Evelyn]

I'm glad Ray Young got them, and I hope he takes good care of them. That way, when someone with some actual intellectual integrity goes to write a biography there will be primary sources. CS, BG, and RY aren't that person, but that person will come along someday, I think.

I agree here... And good, bad, or ugly, the letters are a part of history.  Handled correctly, and handled by the right, unbiased person, this could be a treasure trove in understanding the whole of the picture.  I don't think it should be done in this generation.  And it would be best done by an interested historian who would present it fairly and objectively. 

RY is not that man.  Interestingly enough, out of the blue last month, RY called my husband at our home to invite him to a regional conference.... in Mississippi, maybe?  My husband graciously thanked him and said he didn't know if he'd be out of place there since we are Southern Baptist.  RY explained that his father was saved in a Southern Baptist church.  After hanging up, my husband said, "They HAVE to be desperate if they even want the Southern Baptists attending!"  (It wasn't said maliciously, just humorously)

 

[CONSPIRATOR]

If they ever publish my letters, the %&(&%$@!)(& keys will be worn out!

 

[bgwilkinson]

I'm glad Ray Young got them, and I hope he takes good care of them. That way, when someone with some actual intellectual integrity goes to write a biography there will be primary sources. CS, BG, and RY aren't that person, but that person will come along someday, I think.

I agree here... And good, bad, or ugly, the letters are a part of history.  Handled correctly, and handled by the right, unbiased person, this could be a treasure trove in understanding the whole of the picture.  I don't think it should be done in this generation.  And it would be best done by an interested historian who would present it fairly and objectively. 

RY is not that man.  Interestingly enough, out of the blue last month, RY called my husband at our home to invite him to a regional conference.... in Mississippi, maybe?  My husband graciously thanked him and said he didn't know if he'd be out of place there since we are Southern Baptist.  RY explained that his father was saved in a Southern Baptist church.  After hanging up, my husband said, "They HAVE to be desperate if they even want the Southern Baptists attending!"  (It wasn't said maliciously, just humorously)

Ah, no.  There are a lot more Southern Baptists than IFBs. It's always about the numbers.

 

[tobytyler]

I've always preferred to hear SBC preaching over IFB's.  Adrian Rogers (Bellevue Baptist, Memphis), Franklin Pollard (FBC, Jackson, MS) and W A Criswell (FBC, Dallas) were among my favorites.  Remember, too, that Bro. Hyles had R G Lee come to Hammond many times and R G Lee even asked to come to Hammond to preach for his 90th birthday. 

 

[Binaca Chugger]

If they ever publish my letters, the %&(&%$@!)(& keys will be worn out!

Bro. Schaap!?!  Is that you!?!

 

[Walt]

I have thought about this quite often in past few days as I have to take a detour that involves regularly spaced traffic signals.  I know they say they are timed for people who are driving at the posted speed limit.  I have done somewhat of an unscientific study on it in my driving the past few days. 

Yet, as I did that, I realized that God took 5 loaves and 2 small fish and fed 5000+ people with leftovers to surpass any American Thanksgiving dinner.  Surely, in the nearby town, shopkeepers, fishermen, and other vendors were "inconvenienced" perhaps by the loss of income from the business all those people may have provided had they been sent away to eat.  There may have been several wives and mothers who had cooked for their men only to have them come home late already filled and no longer hungry.  (No greater inconvenience could be imagined by any male.)   

In Acts 16, Paul cast out a damsel's spirit of divination.  Her masters were rather inconvenienced by it and furthermore, Paul - even though God knew ahead of time it would happen - also was rather inconvenienced by it because he was whipped.  Now, God could have healed her without using Paul as a vessel and allowing it all to come before the magistrates. 

I cannot answer for certain whether God cared enough to keep the lights all green for him when he prayed even to the inconvenience of others.  I cannot answer whether God has kept lights green for the unpraying folk either. 

BUT, I can say, if he prayed and it happened, he can believe it was an answer to a prayer of faith.  We don't have to understand things to believe them. 

Sometimes we don't even have to pray for God to show us he cares enough to give us green lights when we really need them. 

Just think, he loves the "un-praying" gentleman just as much as he loves Bro. Hyles, but as a Father, he loves to have his children ask.  My children are allowed just about anything that's in our refrigerator, but when they ask (pray) first, I LOVE to give it to them and satisfy their longings.

Just my take on it.  I'm sure some will think my faith is far too simple for me to ever be a great Christian.  That's ok.  Go ahead and think it.

God certainly could have turned the lights green, but the way this is done is more to show how great Bro Hyles is than how good God is:  "Wow! I've never gotten ALL the lights to turn green for me!  What a Christian this man must be!  How close he must be to God for God to answer this prayer!".  You will notice that it was stated that "BRO HYLES prayed the lights green", not that God was gracious and merciful and sped him on his way.  The center of this tale is Bro Hyles, not God.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

Visited a church yesterday, and I doubt anybody there had any idea who Jack Hyles was. In the bulletin was a "reading" about a guy who stopped to help a kid with something. When he was done, the kid looked up at him and asked, "Are you Jesus?" Don't know how he answered. That's as far as I got. Had to close the bulletin and hold it in

I wonder who told that originally?

And then today, one of the radio preachers......Ravi Zacharius or somebody on Bott Radio was stressing, when we are asked what we do, we are not to answer I am a plumber, or a teacher, or a consultant. The answer is, "I am an ambassador!" 
Maybe Jesus Himself?