The Heretic Osteen Just Continues On...Wonder If He Is On The Board At Liberty U

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The heretic claims that mormons are genuine chrisitians then goes on to declare his ignorance as to what they believe.  This is a pastor?  Unfortunately there are far too many brain dead "christians" that listen and follow his false gospel.  And for pragmatic purposes gloss over the gross difference of biblical Chrisitianity and mormonism...like say having Romney and Beck at your Christian school commencement.

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Well...........they have three things in common, Numbers, Nickels and Noise. To some these are important.



 
You guys really don't get Osteen do you? He fools you because he has a pulpit and quotes a little Bible sometimes. But it isn't that he's a bad preacher; what he is is a good motivational speaker, in the New Thought self-help tradition - Dale Carnegie, Norman Vincent Peale, Napoleon Hill, Zig Ziglar, et al. Those guys are where he gets all his material.

So you can look to him for some good advice about having a positive attitude, persisting in the face of adversity, etc. It mostly does work, and helps people have a better life, even if it doesn't make them rich. He's got that stuff down, and I'd even call him an expert in it. But for the Gospel, or anything Christian even? Not so much.

Once in a while, I'll watch him on TV. But I know better than to depend on him for Christian doctrine. He doesn't seem to know any. And he freely admits that he's never gone to seminary or even bible college.

But all that said, maybe he does do a little bit of Christian good anyway. Each show he does the following:

1) Starts by telling people to believe the Bible.
2) Finishes by inviting people to say the "Sinner's Prayer".
3) Advising those who did to get in a good Bible-based church (which his isn't, but most of his viewers can't come to Houston anyway).
 
Izdaari said:
You guys really don't get Osteen do you? He fools you because he has a pulpit and quotes a little Bible sometimes. But it isn't that he's a bad preacher; what he is is a good motivational speaker, in the New Thought self-help tradition - Dale Carnegie, Norman Vincent Peale, Napoleon Hill, Zig Ziglar, et al. Those guys are where he gets all his material.

We get him and you can add apostate Robert Schuller to that list


Izdaari said:
But all that said, maybe he does do a little bit of Christian good anyway. Each show he does the following:


That's what false teachers do...they mix a little truth with their error


 
Izdaari said:
So you can look to him for some good advice about having a positive attitude, persisting in the face of adversity, etc. It mostly does work, and helps people have a better life, even if it doesn't make them rich. He's got that stuff down, and I'd even call him an expert in it. But for the Gospel, or anything Christian even? Not so much.

I've often said the biggest problem with Osteen's preaching is that he only presents half the story, what man is saved to through Jesus.

Funny thing is I've often said the biggest problem with most fundamentalist preaching is that it only presents half the story, what man is saved from through Jesus.

And funnier still is I think Osteen is focusing on the more important aspect even though I don't agree with a lot of his applications.
 
Izdaari said:
You guys really don't get Osteen do you? He fools you because he has a pulpit and quotes a little Bible sometimes. But it isn't that he's a bad preacher; what he is is a good motivational speaker, in the New Thought self-help tradition - Dale Carnegie, Norman Vincent Peale, Napoleon Hill, Zig Ziglar, et al. Those guys are where he gets all his material.

So you can look to him for some good advice about having a positive attitude, persisting in the face of adversity, etc. It mostly does work, and helps people have a better life, even if it doesn't make them rich. He's got that stuff down, and I'd even call him an expert in it. But for the Gospel, or anything Christian even? Not so much.

Once in a while, I'll watch him on TV. But I know better than to depend on him for Christian doctrine. He doesn't seem to know any. And he freely admits that he's never gone to seminary or even bible college.

But all that said, maybe he does do a little bit of Christian good anyway. Each show he does the following:

1) Starts by telling people to believe the Bible.
2) Finishes by inviting people to say the "Sinner's Prayer".
3) Advising those who did to get in a good Bible-based church (which his isn't, but most of his viewers can't come to Houston anyway).

Oh I get him just fine...I believe it is you who doesn't get him...if all he wanted to be was a motivational speaker then he shouldn't be pastoring a church with the title of Senior Pastor....I didn't call him pastor, he and his church did...and as such he is going to be examined like any other pastor...and he has revealed himself as "Pastor Joel" heretic!
 
I've been think for a while now of all the preaching of the Gospel I've heard in my life. I've come to conclusion that I can count on my fingers the amount of times I've heard just the pure unadulterated Gospel. Whether its a fundamental fanatic like Ruckman or a compromiser like Osteen who'd believes all roads lead to heaven.... there have been very few times I've heard just the "pure Gospel".

If there is one facet of preaching I enjoy the best.... Its accuracy. I don't care if a man screams, hollers, cuddles, or cries. If a person's "preaching" isn't accurate.... its not worth much at all. Regardless of personality or a pandering persona, the Gospel is the Gospel. Its either accurate or its not. I'll take accuracy or "feelings" any day. Its either the "Gospel" or its a "another Gospel".
 
ivannette said:
i like osteen because he always views the glass as half full instead of half empty

viewing the positive is always better than viewing the negatives in life

Here's a positive for you...I am positive that Osteen is a heretic and his candy coated anti-biblical approach is dangerous to the souls of people...of that I am positive!
 
You guys really don't get Osteen do you?

Sure we do. That's the problem.
 
ivannette said:
i like osteen because he always views the glass as half full instead of half empty

viewing the positive is always better than viewing the negatives in life

My guess would be that more folk have "gotten" saved by preaching on hell {the negative} than those who have been saved by preaching on heaven {the Positive}. But it really doesn't matter whether something is positive or negative but whether it's true or false. If the negative is true proclaim it, if the positive is false expose it. For every positive there is a negative.

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine."


 
Bob H said:
ivannette said:
i like osteen because he always views the glass as half full instead of half empty

viewing the positive is always better than viewing the negatives in life

My guess would be that more folk have "gotten" saved by preaching on hell {the negative} than those who have been saved by preaching on heaven {the Positive}. But it really doesn't matter whether something is positive or negative but whether it's true or false. If the negative is true proclaim it, if the positive is false expose it. For every positive there is a negative.

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine."

Some people ignore the part I bolded.  :(
 
My mom is a huge Joel fan. Even supports his ministry each month. I've tried talking to her about his lack of Biblical teaching, but she doesn't want to hear it.  :(
 
Izdaari said:
You guys really don't get Osteen do you? He fools you because he has a pulpit and quotes a little Bible sometimes. But it isn't that he's a bad preacher; what he is is a good motivational speaker, in the New Thought self-help tradition - Dale Carnegie, Norman Vincent Peale, Napoleon Hill, Zig Ziglar, et al. Those guys are where he gets all his material.

So you can look to him for some good advice about having a positive attitude, persisting in the face of adversity, etc. It mostly does work, and helps people have a better life, even if it doesn't make them rich. He's got that stuff down, and I'd even call him an expert in it. But for the Gospel, or anything Christian even? Not so much.

Once in a while, I'll watch him on TV. But I know better than to depend on him for Christian doctrine. He doesn't seem to know any. And he freely admits that he's never gone to seminary or even bible college.

But all that said, maybe he does do a little bit of Christian good anyway. Each show he does the following:

1) Starts by telling people to believe the Bible.
2) Finishes by inviting people to say the "Sinner's Prayer".
3) Advising those who did to get in a good Bible-based church (which his isn't, but most of his viewers can't come to Houston anyway).
Sure, he has his place, but not as the pastor of a church.

I expect someone who fulfills the role of shepherd of God's flock to have a doctrinal grounding in the Word and know it better than just for pithy, Christianized motivational psychology. The Apostle Paul in Acts chapter 20 warned about "grievous wolves" who would come in among them "not sparing the flock." If Osteen is not a wolf, then he has no pastoral ability to protect his flock from the wolves.

I expect a pastor to have the ability to expound the Word of God (any passage) competently (and admit places when he doesn't know).
I expect a pastor to be able to preach (and possibly even debate) against doctrinal heresies. Where are his sermons/articles/books exposing and disproving Islam, Mormonism, JW, and other false religions/cults? Where are his sermons/articles/books "giving an answer" per 1 Peter 3:15 against modalism, Arianism, henotheism, baptismal regeneration, works salvation, and so on? Not to say that his church should be focused on nothing but defending doctrine, but he should demonstrate that he has the capacity to protect his flock and demonstrate the truth of their faith. Members of his church are ripe picking for cults and atheists who pose the slightest challenge against these sheltered, feel-good members.

A preacher should not be a novice. Good speaking ability is meaningless. The Scriptures command that someone who fills the office of an "overseer" should be "apt to teach," "not a novice," (1 Tim 3:2,6) and be able to "[hold] fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers." (Tit 1:9)

Clearly, Osteen is not the above; therefore, he is not fit to be anyone's pastor until he is.

Just my (not so?) humble opinion.  :-\
 
Web said:
I don't get the Liberty U connection ...

Like Osteen apparently Liberty does not know or they don't consider the differences between biblical christianity and mormonism to be significant enough to separate themselves...as they had Glen Beck and Mitt Romney speak at their graduation commencement!
 
AresMan said:
I expect someone who fulfills the role of shepherd of God's flock to have a doctrinal grounding in the Word and know it better than just for...............


I expect the same from a lay person.................not just from a preacher. But that's just me

 
Bob H said:
AresMan said:
If Osteen is not a wolf........


If? What say ye AresMan?
I leave that as an exercise for the reader. Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he has no malicious intent to destroy the flock, I can accept that he is not a wolf.
If he is not a wolf, he certainly still is not qualified to be a shepherd to protect sheep from wolves.
Whether he is or is not a wolf, he is plainly not qualified to fill the role of a shepherd.
 
AresMan said:
Bob H said:
AresMan said:
If Osteen is not a wolf........


If? What say ye AresMan?
I leave that as an exercise for the reader.

So the "sheperd of the flock" does not have to expose false teachers? That's an exercise of the sheep watch out for? Thanks. This sheep thinks he's a wolf and if a "sheperd" thinks he not I'd question his sheperdability  :)





 
Bob H said:
AresMan said:
Bob H said:
AresMan said:
If Osteen is not a wolf........


If? What say ye AresMan?
I leave that as an exercise for the reader.

So the "sheperd of the flock" does not have to expose false teachers? That's an exercise of the sheep watch out for? Thanks. This sheep thinks he's a wolf and if a "sheperd" thinks he not I'd question his sheperdability  :)
Ahem. Maybe I wasn't clear on what I meant. When I said "I leave that as an exercise for the reader" I meant that determining whether Osteen is a wolf or not from my condition statement is the exercise for the reader.

I elaborated that either way (if he is or is not a wolf according to Acts 20:29) Osteen is not qualified to be a pastor.

If he is a wolf who is sneaking in among the sheep with the intention of "not sparing the flock," he obviously is not qualified to be shepherd.
If he is NOT a wolf, then, because the Scriptures have requirements for a pastor to be able to rebuke the gainsayers and protect the flock from wolves, Osteen is not qualified for this.

I leave the above as an exercise for the reader to determine in which way Osteen is NOT qualified for his position.

Hope this helps.
 
I do not think Osteen is a wolf. I think his intentions are very good. But I don't think he's qualified to be a pastor. And except that he basically inherited his dad's church, nobody else would have hired him as one, since he's never been to seminary or even bible college.

But he is a good motivational speaker. He just shouldn't do it from a pulpit.
 
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