The Death Knell of Canada

[Bob Jones V]

I’m going out on a limb here, but at the pace of what’s happening in Canada, I believe within thirty years, Canada will give mandates to kill citizens who they deem unworthy of life. This is a form of Nazi Germany unfolding before our eyes, and people in the United States are still complaining about Trump’s mean tweets two years later. SMH

Some woman was suing the State to install ramps on her house as part of her disability, and they pointed her to a website where she could get help with assisted suicide.

 

[abcaines]

it is a hard thing to deal with either way.... .. in the end it was your moms choice to make... and i think your sister did the right thing honoring your moms wishes... .... and according to someone who was in ems for over 30 years and saw both sides of the issues many times.. . it is always better to have done what you can to save a life... and fail...knowing you did everything you could..... rather than to let that person die and wonder afterwards if what you did was right......

as people get older and their cartlidges become ossified and brittle - their bones begin to weaken... and CPR efforts are not only likely to break ribs but also likely to drive those ribs into underlying body organs or tear lung tissues.... ... after a certain age people need to be informed of what even a successful rescuscitation effort could do to them.... and what physicial damage they might have to live with after if their pulse and respirations are retored.......... ..plus they also need to be aware of what could happen if the effort was only partially successful and they ended up alive but with serious and irreversible brain damage....

but that being said..... i believe it;s the job of the family and professional health care providers to talk to people about this issue...... insurance companies have no business trying to initiate these conversations with people.... family and medical staff are doing it in consideration for what;s best for the elderly relative... ..but when insurance companies bring these issues up their only consideration is saving themselves money... and sadly that;s the only thing the government thinks about too when they start trying to make legislation on these issues...

I cannot say AMEN loud enough! Watching Mom go through what she did was a real education for all of us. In all of the CPR training I've received, the life saving properties of CPR have been extolled again and again. Very little education on the downside of CPR has been taught. You are absolutely right when you say that older folks need to be educated about CPR.

One thing that has been promoted lately and you'll find in many schools are AED machines. Given your background in EMS I'm sure you know about them. I wonder if one of those things were available at Mom's facility if her outcome wouldn't have been better. Maybe wouldn't have extended her life but it sure beats watching her die with a smashed rib cage.

 

[aleshanee]

I cannot say AMEN loud enough! Watching Mom go through what she did was a real education for all of us. In all of the CPR training I've received, the life saving properties of CPR have been extolled again and again. Very little education on the downside of CPR has been taught. You are absolutely right when you say that older folks need to be educated about CPR.

One thing that has been promoted lately and you'll find in many schools are AED machines. Given your background in EMS I'm sure you know about them. I wonder if one of those things were available at Mom's facility if her outcome wouldn't have been better. Maybe wouldn't have extended her life but it sure beats watching her die with a smashed rib cage.

an AED might have helped.... ...if it recognized a shockable rhythm and executed it quickly.... but most of those machines have verbal commands that tell the person using it what to do... and they all tell the user to begin and continue CPR until the machine either makes it;s decision or charges itself up to make the defibrillation..... and in elderly persons the most significant damage to their rib cage and sternum caused by CPR usually happens with the first compression...

many years ago... prior to CPR being developed and perfected as it is today.... EMS and doctors in emergency rooms use to give cardiac arrest patients intracardiac epinephrine.... (adrenaline)..... by way of a long needle inserted directly into the heart.... the muscle of the left ventricle... often without even knowing what their EKG rhythm was.... in pre-med we learned that many times it caused a persons heart to begin beating again and their pulse to return before any CPR was administered....

but they no longer do that as part of a standard protocol and there were huge dangers involved and negative things that could happen because of it.... but in all cardiac arrest cases they do stll administer epinephrine by way of a IV line as the first drug given and as soon as possible.... and sometimes by way of an ET tube if an IV has not been established yet..... and they continue to give it throughout the resuscitative efforts until they are either successful or efforts are ceased.... but then without a pulse all that epinephrine has to be pumped into the heart by way of CPR.... sometimes aided by an open and rapidly running IV line...

and of course expecting lay persons with no medical training to be able to administer an intracardiac injection..or start IV lines at home or in public... and then deal with the possible adverse circumstances both can cause is out of the question... as faulty as it is - CPR is still the best thing we have going in these cases..... maybe one day new technology will fix these problems... but eventually they will run up against the hard fact the human body was designed to last only a limited length of time... if failure of one vital part doesn;t finish us.. failure of something else will....

 

[aleshanee]

stations like this in public places was one of the better ideas
to come from the CDC....





but this machine... currently for use by medical professionals only... could be a good thing to have in stations for puplic use too if they can come up with a lay-person friendly model of it....... ..i saw one of these at the last CME refresher class i sat in on.... rather than compress a single spot on a persons chest - it compresses the entire rib cage at once from both front and back... not only reducing the chance of CPR injury but also providing much more efficient compressions....... they said it;s not uncommon for people in complete asystole... (or flatline - cardiac stand still) to actually wake up while CPR is performed on them with this machine....

but unfortunately.... given the current mentality of the left.. ..with their favorite mantra "by any means necessary".... and who want to see the population reduced.... it;s not likely anythng like this will ever be modified for civilian use..... and it;s even likely some of the current AED stations around the country will begin to disappear....

 

[abcaines]

I had a massive heart attack in 2011, and without the AED and CPR, I would be dead. a 17 year old Eagle Scout with Advanced Lifesaving training did CPR on me, then his dad used the AED on me.

Obviously every situation is different. I have real trouble understanding how a piece of paper can address the needs or desires for e en a single individual.

You, sir, are one of the fortunate ones. The EMT who has been conducting our first aid and CPR training says about 1 in 6 who end up requiring resuscitation of this nature survive. Does this square with your knowledge, aleshanee?

 

[aleshanee]

Obviously every situation is different. I have real trouble understanding how a piece of paper can address the needs or desires for e en a single individual.

You, sir, are one of the fortunate ones. The EMT who has been conducting our first aid and CPR training says about 1 in 6 who end up requiring resuscitation of this nature survive. Does this square with your knowledge, aleshanee?

it all depends on where you live.. .. or more importantly where you are when your emergency occurs.... i have never heard the 1 in 6 figures before.... .but i know for fact that in cities and parts of the country were ems is better trained and better equipped... better supported... the quality of care you get will be greater and your chances of survival are far better than 1 in 6.... and unfortunately in other places... even some big cities ... depending on their priorities and to what level people are trained... it can be next to zero..... ..

but that;s the problem with statistics... .and one of the reasons i hate them..... they are always too broad and non specific... they try to put everybody and everything into the same base of study.. .... whether they belong in it or not..... ..

for example.... . i heard a guy on shark week make the ridiculous claim that the fear some people have of sharks is unfounded... "because"... he said... "you have a much greater chance of being struck by lightning than you do of being attacked by a shark."......

what he said might be true if you are in some place like kansas... (where there are no sharks)..... even more so if you are fishing or playing golf in a thunderstorm.. ....but if you are swimming in the waters around hawaii.... where lightning strikes are extrememly rare - and where tiger sharks abound.... your chance of being attacked by a shark is many times greater than being struck by lightning.... 100 times greater to be exact....

and if you happen to be in the water in hawaii at certain times.. ..like pre-dawn hours of the day... ...swimming in certain areas around the island... . or in murky water immediately after a heavy rainstorm........ then your chances of being attacked are practically guaranteed..

and likewise, whether you survive a cardio-pulmonary arrest really all depends on where you are, and who is there to respond and help you when the worse happens....

 

[aleshanee]

I don't know all the stastistics, but mine was total blockage in 2 descending aortic arteries, and my heart stopped. Called colloquially the Widow Maker, 5% survive, and that is because most of the time there is not anyone available who has been trained in CPR.

the key is being properly trained in cpr.. and then properly performing what they have been taught.... high quality cpr that actually moves blood through the body vrs low quality that merely goes through the motions... (properly done cpr should create a palpable pulse at brachial... carotid.. and femoral points with each compression)....

also having someone there that can serve as relief when the first person becomes tired and the quality suffers..... ... ... and also having defibrillation ready in a timely manner if the heart is in fibrillation..which is very common in sudden blockage of blood flow events vrs cardiac arrest due to hypoxia or desaturation events...

from the sound of it all those things came together to work in your favor that day.... ..and you also have to consider that God wanted you to hang around a bit longer too....

 

[abcaines]

the key is being properly trained in cpr.. and then properly performing what they have been taught.... high quality cpr that actually moves blood through the body vrs low quality that merely goes through the motions.... .also having someone there that can serve as relief when the first person becomes tired and the quality suffers..... ... ... and also having defibrillation ready in a timely manner if the heart is in fibrillation..which is very common in sudden blockage of blood flow events vrs cardiac arrest due to hypoxia or desaturation events...

from the sound of it all those things came together to work in your favor that day.... ..and you also have to consider that God wanted you to hang around a bit longer too....

I'd be remiss if I didn't mention a friend of mine who went into cardiac arrest for several minutes. As God would have it, he did so right in front of a paramedic in a shop next door to the fire station. For a long time I thought he survived something only 2% survive. I was recently corrected. The survival rate is slightly higher but almost no one does so without brain damage. My friend jokes that it is perhaps because he was already brain damaged but he made a full recovery. He just turned 79 and is physically falling apart in other ways but it was nice not to have to say "so long" to him just yet.

 

[abcaines]

the key is being properly trained in cpr.. and then properly performing what they have been taught.... high quality cpr that actually moves blood through the body vrs low quality that merely goes through the motions... (properly done cpr should create a palpable pulse at brachial... carotid.. and femoral points with each compression)....

also having someone there that can serve as relief when the first person becomes tired and the quality suffers..... ... ... and also having defibrillation ready in a timely manner if the heart is in fibrillation..which is very common in sudden blockage of blood flow events vrs cardiac arrest due to hypoxia or desaturation events...

from the sound of it all those things came together to work in your favor that day.... ..and you also have to consider that God wanted you to hang around a bit longer too....

BTW, I appreciate your knowledge on this subject. It's been educational to me. I also love the grace and the wisdom you display in all of your posts. From what you've shared of your testimony, it is evident you are a work of grace all the way. Blessings to you.

 

[AverageJoe]

I don't know all the stastistics, but mine was total blockage in 2 descending aortic arteries, and my heart stopped. Called colloquially the Widow Maker, 5% survive, and that is because most of the time there is not anyone available who has been trained in CPR.

This is the heart attack my father had 30 years ago. He survived only because he was with an EMT at the time working on a car.

 

[aleshanee]

BTW, I appreciate your knowledge on this subject. It's been educational to me. I also love the grace and the wisdom you display in all of your posts. From what you've shared of your testimony, it is evident you are a work of grace all the way. Blessings to you.

thank you... and many blessings to you as well.... ....i appreciate the kind words..... much of what i know about this subject comes from pre-med i was in years ago.... and then the rest i learned by tagging along when my dad attended medical conferences and served as an assistant teacher/preceptor on test and scenario days during classes for future paramedics.... and also reading all his books from his own days in paramedic school...

but other than performing skills on cpr dummys and such, to get my own basic certifications... and playing around with the equipment in the back of the class when he was assisting or attending cme... .... . i never actually performed real cpr myself.... on a real person..... and i hope i never have to.... he on the other hand made rescues and resucscitations on countless people during emergency responses for more than 30 years.... yet him getting older is exactly the reason i keep my skills and certifications current and up to par..... .. but that;s something no family member of someone getting older wants to think about... even while we are going through the training....

 

[abcaines]

Funny story...

When I was taking CPR training in Navy boot camp, the instructor cautioned us to never practice CPR except on mannequins like the ones we had in class and always practice in the presence of a qualified instructor so as not to develop bad habits. Then, as we were getting ready to break for chow, the instructor told us instead of talking about our girlfriends back home, we should discuss what was covered in class. So, while we were sitting at chow, we were talking about normal things when one guy said we were supposed to be talking about what we learned in CPR class. Another guy piped up, "Never perform CPR in the presence of a mannequin!" We were all gut rolling on that one.

 

[aleshanee]

With respect to the facts of the story, however, this one is accurate. When assisted suicide (which we now euphemistically call MAID, for "Medical Assistance in Dying") was legalized in 2016, it was restricted to patients with terminal illnesses.

As of 2021, this was widened to include patients with illnesses deemed "grievous and irremediable" (i.e. you are in a state of decline that cannot be reversed or relieved); however, this specifically excluded mental illness as the sole condition.

Next March, it will be possible to get suicided if a mental illness is your sole condition, provided you are otherwise eligible (e.g. able to make your own medical decisions, 18 or over, doing so of your own free will, etc.)

This comes right from the horse's mouth.

sarah cain made this brief video about televison commercials being aired in canada
advertizing the m.a.i.d. legislation... it;s only a matter of time before this comes
to the united states.... insurance have already been given immunity from liability
for leaving people without vital medications... ...and doing it by surprise changes
to authorization rules... and without any forewarning....

i agree with what she says here.... this is evil.....

 

[Ransom]

it;s only a matter of time before this comes to the united states....

Don't some Left Coast states already have some form of assisted suicide?

Every time someone points their finger at Canada and points out what a dystopia we're becoming, I'm always strongly tempted to retort, Look, you're no different, you're just 5-10 years behind. Canada's just the canary in the cage.

 

[aleshanee]

Don't some Left Coast states already have some form of assisted suicide?

Every time someone points their finger at Canada and points out what a dystopia we're becoming, I'm always strongly tempted to retort, Look, you're no different, you're just 5-10 years behind. Canada's just the canary in the cage.

well... that;s basically what i was saying when i pointed out it was only a matter of time before it comes here... and that insurance companies are already being given unofficial immunity on denying medications and even treatments for critically ill patients.... they have also been pushing older people to consider signing POLST and DNR documents for a long time now....

i don;t know about other left coast states.... but hawaii doesn;t have anything like what is shown in that video... no assisted suicide legislation yet.... in fact doctors can still be prosecuted for over-prescribing opiates to terminally ill patients if they intentionally take a fatal overdose, and someone in the family makes an issue of it....

but that could all be changing soon...... being the farthest left geographically seems to naturally make politicians here believe they need to be farthest left ideologically too.... they don;t like anyone beating them to the left side of anything....

 

[Dr. Huk-N-Duck]

Every time someone points their finger at Canada and points out what a dystopia we're becoming, I'm always strongly tempted to retort, Look, you're no different, you're just 5-10 years behind. Canada's just the canary in the cage.

It seems to me that these “trends” usually start in smaller European countries and then jump the pond to Canada. From there, it trickles to the Liberal Coast and eventually begins to spread throughout the remainder of the country.

 

[AverageJoe]

Don't some Left Coast states already have some form of assisted suicide?

Every time someone points their finger at Canada and points out what a dystopia we're becoming, I'm always strongly tempted to retort, Look, you're no different, you're just 5-10 years behind. Canada's just the canary in the cage.

And like a canary in a cage...we can always hope that it dies first! LOL There IS after all, assisted suicide....Can we help? LOL

 

[Ransom]

It seems to me that these “trends” usually start in smaller European countries and then jump the pond to Canada.

Yeah, there's a reason "nuke the Dutch" was a running gag on my blog when that was more active. I figure if we turned the Netherlands into an underwater parking lot, it would slow the "progressive" rot by 90%.