The Coming UFO Deception?

[IFB X-Files]

First, I have nothing to do with the coming deception.

I stumbled across this episode today, and while I have not listened to the entire program, he has said enough at the beginning to "agree" with many others who say that UFOs/aliens will be blamed for the disappearance of millions at the Rapture.

While this man mentions the name of "Chuck Missler" as a great Bible scholar, I am not endorsing that or anything this man says. As the supposed real FBI "X-MAN", there is interest in his viewpoint.

I've marked this to start right before he mentions Missler and Scripture....

 

[subllibrm]

Mmmmmmmm





















Boo!

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

UFOs/aliens will be blamed for the disappearance of millions at the Rapture.

That’s actually a brilliant theory. I hadn’t previously thought of this angle.

 

[biscuit1953]

Mmmmmmmm

Boo!

For Christians who know their Bible what he is saying isn’t surprising or shocking at all. We know there will eventually be a one world government under the Anti-christ. We also read what Jesus said would take place at the end of the age (not 70 A.D.), just before His coming.

Mark_13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Luke_21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Acts 1:11 said, “This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

(1) He left bodily and visibly. He will return bodily and visibly (Rev 1:7; Zech 12:10).

(2) He left in a cloud. He will return in a cloud (Rev 1:7).

(3) When he left Rome was in power. When he returns the revived Roman Empire will be in power (Rev 13:1-2).

(4) He ascended from the Mount of Olives (Acts 1:12). He will descend to the Mount of Olives which sits on a fault line and it will be split in half from east to west (Zech 14:4).

Christians who laugh at the miraculous regathering of the Jews to their homeland who were established as an independent sovereign nation after 2500 years, deny the coming one-world government described in Revelation 13 and the plainly stated 1,000 year reign of Christ that will take place in the future (Revelation 20) are the ones who will be surprised. We aren’t looking for the Church to convert the world to set up the Kingdom. Jesus will personally do that.

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[illinoisguy]

Once again, I'm missing something here. I don't see anything in Revelation 13:1-2, or anywhere else in the Bible, about a "revived Roman Empire." Since you believe that a "revived Roman Empire" must be "in power" when Christ returns, and since it is not currently "in power," does this mean that Christ's return is not imminent, and He cannot return until the Roman Empire has been given artificial respiration? Should we be lobbying for American military assistance to Italy to make it happen?

And where does the Bible say anywhere that there will eventually be a one world government under the Anti-christ? Show your work.

The sum total of all references to the Antichrist in the Bible are found in 1 John 2:18, 22, 4:3 and 2 John 7. Nothing in there anywhere about the Antichrist ruling a one-world government. We are told that an antichrist is a deceiver who denies that Christ has come in the flesh, and that there are many such antichrists in the world already (in the late First Century).

That's all we really know about the Antichrist. The rest of the popular dispensensationalist Antichrist mythology is constructed by cherry-picking and snatching passages from all over the Bible out of their context, and saying "this is about the Antichrist." For instance, Daniel 11:36-45 is assigned, without any evidence, to a future Antichrist, whereas many commentators believe it is a prediction of the reign of Herod the Great. Whoever it is, we are told in Daniel 11:41 that he will not be able to rule over Edom, Moab or Ammon. Some "one world government!"

 

[biscuit1953]

Once again, I'm missing something here. I don't see anything in Revelation 13:1-2, or anywhere else in the Bible, about a "revived Roman Empire." Since you believe that a "revived Roman Empire" must be "in power" when Christ returns, and since it is not currently "in power," does this mean that Christ's return is not imminent, and He cannot return until the Roman Empire has been given artificial respiration? Should we be lobbying for American military assistance to Italy to make it happen?

And where does the Bible say anywhere that there will eventually be a one world government under the Anti-christ? Show your work.

The sum total of all references to the Antichrist in the Bible are found in 1 John 2:18, 22, 4:3 and 2 John 7. Nothing in there anywhere about the Antichrist ruling a one-world government. We are told that an antichrist is a deceiver who denies that Christ has come in the flesh, and that there are many such antichrists in the world already (in the late First Century).

That's all we really know about the Antichrist. The rest of the popular dispensensationalist Antichrist mythology is constructed by cherry-picking and snatching passages from all over the Bible out of their context, and saying "this is about the Antichrist." For instance, Daniel 11:36-45 is assigned, without any evidence, to a future Antichrist, whereas many commentators believe it is a prediction of the reign of Herod the Great. Whoever it is, we are told in Daniel 11:41 that he will not be able to rule over Edom, Moab or Ammon. Some "one world government!"

Daniel and Revelation are closely related. The only way one would be able to deny a one world government is to say Revelation 13 is not speaking of future events. The same with the one thousand year reign of Christ in Revelation 20. There is no basis in spiritualizing that away. As I pointed out once before on another thread, there is no “like” or “as” one thousand years or “like” or “as” a lake of fire in Revelation 20. Why not make hell simply symbolical if you want to make the thousand year reign of Christ symbolical?

I realize the differences come down to distinguishing between Israel and the Church. I don’t understand your interpretation and you don’t understand mine. I agree with John MacArthur and many other theologians while many don’t agree. From my point of view the video falls in line with a pre-millennial return of Christ and Matthew 24. We will probably never agree.

 

[illinoisguy]

I don't believe in a "revived Roman Empire," but Benito Mussolini did:

Looking for the Antichrist: A Sign of the Times in Rome

www.neh.gov

"Il Duce’s curiosity was piqued. 'Is that [a reconstituted Roman Empire] really described in the Bible? Where is it to be found?' The answer, the Americans pointed out, lay in the book of Daniel, the Hebrew prophet whose visions provide the basis for historical and contemporary Biblical prophecy regarding the Antichrist and Jesus’ Second Coming." Mussolini ended up destroying Italy in his failed attempt to bring back the Roman Empire.

I would still like to get an answer to the question Mussolini asked - where any mention of a revived Roman Empire is to be found in the Bible. Daniel 2:40-45 predicted the rise of the original Roman Empire, during which time God, by sending His Son, would set up the Kingdom of God, and the Roman Empire would be broken up - there is nothing there or anywhere else in the Bible about the Roman Empire coming back after many centuries.

 

[biscuit1953]

I don't believe in a "revived Roman Empire," but Benito Mussolini did:

Looking for the Antichrist: A Sign of the Times in Rome

www.neh.gov

"Il Duce’s curiosity was piqued. 'Is that [a reconstituted Roman Empire] really described in the Bible? Where is it to be found?' The answer, the Americans pointed out, lay in the book of Daniel, the Hebrew prophet whose visions provide the basis for historical and contemporary Biblical prophecy regarding the Antichrist and Jesus’ Second Coming." Mussolini ended up destroying Italy in his failed attempt to bring back the Roman Empire.

I would still like to get an answer to the question Mussolini asked - where any mention of a revived Roman Empire is to be found in the Bible. Daniel 2:40-45 predicted the rise of the original Roman Empire, during which time God, by sending His Son, would set up the Kingdom of God, and the Roman Empire would be broken up - there is nothing there or anywhere else in the Bible about the Roman Empire coming back after many centuries.

Dan 2:34-35 The mountain is a biblical symbol for a kingdom (Isa 2:2; Jer 51:24-25; Zech 8:3). There are five world kingdoms mentioned in the Book of Daniel and are symbolized by the image in Daniel’s vision with the sixth being the Millennial Kingdom (2:34-35, 44-45; 7:13-14, 26-27).

(1) Babylon (Gold) (2:32, 37-38) headed up by Nebuchadnezzar.
(2) Medo-Persia (Silver) (2:32, 39; 7:5, 17) headed up by Darius the Mede and Cyrus the Persian.
(3) Greece (Bronze) (2:32, 39; 7:6, 17) headed up by by Alexander the Great.
(4) Rome (Iron) 2:33, 40; 7:7, 23).
(5) Revived Rome (2:33, 41-43; 7:7-8, 11, 24-25).

Out of the fourth kingdom (Rome) there shall eventually emerge ten kings (represented by the ten horns) Afterwards, another king will emerge who will oppose God and God’s people for a time, times, and half a time, which is 3 1/2 years (42 months) that follow the abomination at the end of the seven-year tribulation period (Dan 12:7, 11). This is the same person described as the first beast in Revelation 13 who utters blasphemies and makes war with the saints and overcomes them for 42 months (Rev 13:5), the Antichrist (Rev 17:12). The whole vision is the last form of Gentile world power, a confederation of ten nations which will be a revival of the old Roman Empire.

In Revelation 13:1-2 which has to do with prophecy (Rev 1:3) it parallels a dream Daniel interpreted in Daniel 2 with some of the kingdoms mentioned by name in Daniel chapters 8 and 10. David Jeremiah points out that the beast John saw come out of the sea (13:1) is a composite of the four wild animals in Daniel 7:2-8 with the four creatures (leopard, bear, lion, dragon) representing the four kingdoms that would arise one after another: Babylon (lion), Persia (bear), Greece (leopard) , and Rome.

Rev 13:3 In Daniel 7:11 the fourth beast of Daniel’s vision (Rome) was slain, yet in Dan 7:23-24 we read that ten kings will arise from it, and the “little Horn” (Antichrist) shall arise among them.

“Fragments of the ancient Roman empire have never ceased to exist as separate kingdoms. It was the imperial form of government which ceased; the one head wounded to death. What we have prophetically in Rev_13:3 is the restoration of the imperial form as such, though over a federated empire of ten kingdoms; the "head" is "healed," i.e. restored; there is an emperor again--the Beast.” Scofield Some believe the Antichrist will be slain and seemingly resurrected to imitate the Lord Jesus Christ.

MacArthur has a lot of notes on these verses in his study Bible. I don’t claim to understand everything but I do know what Jesus prophesied concerning the events at the end of the age in Matthew 24 were not limited to 70 A.D.

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[Ransom]

The same with the one thousand year reign of Christ in Revelation 20.

Again with the irrelevant pivot to Rev. 20.

We will probably never agree.

Which is why you never seem to want to show your work.

That's fine. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[biscuit1953]

Again with the irrelevant pivot to Rev. 20.



Which is why you never seem to want to show your work.

That's fine. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Do you believe Revelation 13 is prophecy or past history? Why do you spiritualize the thousand year reign of Christ and not the lake of fire? What consistency is there in that interpretation?

 

[Ransom]

Do you believe Revelation 13 is prophecy or past history?

"Show your work" doesn't mean demanding that I show my work first.

Why do you spiritualize the thousand year reign of Christ and not the lake of fire?

Didn't even mention it.

Why do you fall back on arguments no one is making, instead of lending support to your own?

 

[Ransom]

Once again, I'm missing something here. I don't see anything in Revelation 13:1-2, or anywhere else in the Bible, about a "revived Roman Empire."

That's because you're "spirituizing" Rev. 13.

Or, at least, you're spiritualizing it in ways that run against the way Dispensationalists spiritualize it. They don't read it literally, either. No one does.