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[Biblebeliever]

Well, I would recommend leaving both a tip and a Gospel Tract.

Chick tracts are not gospel tracts.

Not true ones, anyway. Chick's view of the Atonement is damnable nonsense.

Scott, you cannot be serious. Come on. Chick Tracts are Gospel Tracts. They teach repentance for the sinner.

I use both Chick Gospel tracts and Fellowship Tract League Gospel tracts as well as Terry Watkins' (Dial The Truth Ministries) Gospel tracts. I strongly recommend them.

 

[prophet]

Always leave a chick comic tract instead of money,  as a tip to your waiter.

Anishinaabe

Well, I would recommend leaving both a tip and a Gospel Tract.

One should always leave a Gospel Tract with their tip, if they are able to. After all, there are many people who are dying and going to Hell. One of the most loving things that a Christian could do in that situation is to leave a Gospel Tract on the table along with the tip.

I was, sadly, speaking of things which I have seen and heard.

And I agree, that leaving a tract is a good habit, as long as you put a large tip in it, as a testimony that the Creator of the Universe is your Father.

Anishinaabe

 

[Biblebeliever]

Hey Bible Believer, here are some mistakes in the KJV:


New International Version
Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?

English Standard Version
For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses?

New American Standard Bible
For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses?

Hebrews 3:16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

See the KJV teaches that not all that came out of Egypt provoked Moses, whereas we can clearly see by comparing to other translations that they all rebelled at some time.

Darkwing, are you serious?

The modern versions get it wrong in Hebrews 3:16. The King James Bible has it right. Not everyone who came out of Egypt provoked Moses. The modern versions are wrong. And of course, the King James Bible is right. The King James Bible is ALWAYS right.

Check out Titus 3:10. The Bible teaches that we are to reject a divisive person but the KJV limits it to only hereticks! (which isn't even a word).

Wrong Darwking. The Bible teaches that we are to reject an heretick after the first and second admonition. Not a divisise person. We as Christians are to divide over DOCTRINE.



Romans 16:17

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.


Also Darkwing, you do realize that Jesus Christ was a divisive person don't you? The sayings of Jesus when He was on this earth caused divisions among the people (see Luke 12:51, John 7:43, 9:16, 10:19).

And the Lord Jesus Christ will be a divisive man when He comes back to judge the Gentile Nations for how they treated the Jews. He will DIVIDE His sheep from the goats (Matt. 25:32).

Also the KJV added over 64,000 words more than the NIV (including adding in entire verses!) and we know what the Bible says about adding to the Book.

No Darkwing, you have it all backwards.

The NIV took out 64,000 words from the Holy Bible.

The King James Bible is right. The NIV is wrong.

 

[Ransom]

Scott, you cannot be serious.

I am serious. You are merely an ignoramus.

Come on. Chick Tracts are Gospel Tracts. They teach repentance for the sinner.

Have you seen his tract "Set Free"? It teaches that the Atonement was a ransom paid to Satan. That is heresy, not the Gospel.

I use both Chick Gospel tracts and Fellowship Tract League Gospel tracts as well as Terry Watkins' Gospel tracts. I strongly recommend them.

Wow, you sure did hit the trifecta of ignorance, didn't you? Terry Watkins is just another know-nothing KJV-only windbag.

 

[Ransom]

The NIV took out 64,000 words from the Holy Bible.

Yeah, it's surprising how many useless words you can remove from a text without losing content, just with decent editing. The KJV has approximately780,000 words, so paring it down by 64,000 is pretty reasonable.

I just wrote a blog article where my second draft was shorter by the same percentage because I cut out as many useless words as I could.

Too bad you are too ignorant to know the difference between removing content and removing cruft.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

The NIV took out 64,000 words from the Holy Bible.

Yeah, it's surprising how many useless words you can remove from a text without losing content, just with decent editing. The KJV has approximately 820,000 words, so paring it down by 64,000 is pretty reasonable.

I just wrote a blog article where my second draft was shorter by the same percentage because I cut out as many useless words as I could.

Too bad you are too ignorant to know the difference between removing content and removing cruft.

There are many variations of a saying among writers that goes something like, "A good writer can write long, but it takes a great writer to write short."

 

[Biblebeliever]

Have you seen his tract "Set Free"? It teaches that the Atonement was a ransom paid to Satan. That is heresy, not the Gospel.

I have read it recently.

And I did not see how they are somehow teaching that the atonement was a ransom paid to Satan.

Now the ransom was paid so that we could be reconciled to God Almighty.

Wow, you sure did hit the trifecta of ignorance, didn't you? Terry Watkins is just another know-nothing KJV-only windbag.

Terry Watkins is a King James Bible believer.

And from studying his website, articles, and tracts, I can tell he knows quite a bit when it comes to Sound Doctrine and the Bible Version Issue.

 

[Biblebeliever]

The NIV took out 64,000 words from the Holy Bible.

Yeah, it's surprising how many useless words you can remove from a text without losing content, just with decent editing. The KJV has approximately780,000 words, so paring it down by 64,000 is pretty reasonable.

I just wrote a blog article where my second draft was shorter by the same percentage because I cut out as many useless words as I could.

Too bad you are too ignorant to know the difference between removing content and removing cruft.

"useless words" ???

Is that how you truly feel about the pure words of God Almighty?

You may want to examine yourself Scott, to see whether or not your in the faith.

By your statements, I can tell that you have a very low view of Scripture.

Shame on you.

 

[Biblebeliever]

The KJV has approximately780,000 words, so paring it down by 64,000 is pretty reasonable.

Deuteronomy 4:2

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.



Revelation 22:18-19

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[Tim]

The KJV has approximately780,000 words, so paring it down by 64,000 is pretty reasonable.

Deuteronomy 4:2

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.



Revelation 22:18-19

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

If this speaks of physical words then I can see the need to believe in a single English translation that is inspired. But, what if you see it incorrectly? What if these passages talk about removing from the TRUTH? Not the individual words, but the TRUTH God shares with each of us? Like, what if you remove Grace from Faith? or, Remove the sin from a commandment? What if you add Words to Salvation? You don't add actual words to scripture, but you add your own spin with authority.

 

[Ransom]

And I did not see how they are somehow teaching that the atonement was a ransom paid to Satan.

Your blindness is not my problem.

"useless words"

Is that how you truly feel about the pure words of God Almighty?

Nope. That's how I feel about man's translations that could have been done better.

You are simply not smart enough to know the difference.

 

[Ransom]

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

I guess that by your logic, the KJV is the Bible of Satan, for it changed the words of God that came before.

 

[Biblebeliever]

If this speaks of physical words then I can see the need to believe in a single English translation that is inspired. But, what if you see it incorrectly? What if these passages talk about removing from the TRUTH? Not the individual words, but the TRUTH God shares with each of us?

Well here's the thing Tim, what do the Scriptures say?

It clealry says "if any man takes away from the words of the prophecy of this book..."


It does not say "if any man takes away from the truth of the prophecy of this book.


Now of course; if one is taking away from the words of the Book, well then they are taking away truth from the Scriptures. Because the truth is composed of words. It is composed of the words of God Almighty.

Like, what if you remove Grace from Faith? or, Remove the sin from a commandment? What if you add Words to Salvation? You don't add actual words to scripture, but you add your own spin with authority.

If someone removes grace from faith in their teaching, yes that is still serious, just as if one adds words or works to salvation.

But the warning goes even higher than that. The warning goes to any man who would tamper with the words of the living God.

Did you know there is even a place in the word of God where there is a charge brought against people who were already tamerping and perverting the words of God Almighty? And this is back in the time of the prophet of Jeremiah.

Here is the Scripture I am talking about:



Jeremiah 23:33-40
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

33 And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the Lord? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the Lord. 34 And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the Lord, I will even punish that man and his house. 35 Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the Lord answered? and, What hath the Lord spoken? 36 And the burden of the Lord shall ye mention no more: for every man’s word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God. 37 Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the Lord answered thee? and, What hath the Lord spoken? 38 But since ye say, The burden of the Lord; therefore thus saith the Lord; Because ye say this word, The burden of the Lord, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the Lord; 39 therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence: 40 and I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.

 

[Biblebeliever]

Nope. That's how I feel about man's translations that could have been done better.

You cannot improve upon perfection.

The Authorized King James Holy Bible is the perfect, pure and preserved word of God.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Nope. That's how I feel about man's translations that could have been done better.

You cannot improve upon perfection.

The Authorized King James Holy Bible is the perfect, pure and preserved word of God.

Somebody should introduce you to Jesus someday. 

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=The Rogue Tomato]Somebody should introduce you to Jesus someday.
[/quote]

"Are you afraid of hell?  Great!  Say these words after me. "

 

[logos1560]

You cannot improve upon perfection.

That's right, the imperfect makers of the KJV could not improve upon the perfections of the original language words given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles.

Are you suggesting that later editiors did not improve upon the 1611 edition of the KJV when they made over 2,000 changes to it, including adding over 140 words not found in the 1611 edition, omitting over 45 words found in the 1611 edition, etc.?

Are you saying that the errors that the makers of the KJV kept in the 1611 KJV from the 1602 edition of the Bishops' Bible were perfect and should not have been corrected by later editors?

1 Kings 11:5 [Ammonites--1560 Geneva Bible, 1568 Bishops' Bible; Amorites--1602 Bishops' Bible]

Amorites {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1631, 1634, 1640, 1644 London KJV's]

Ammonites [1769 Oxford KJV]

 

[Biblebeliever]

That's right, the imperfect makers of the KJV could not improve upon the perfections of the original language words given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles.

Are you suggesting that later editiors did not improve upon the 1611 edition of the KJV when they made over 2,000 changes to it, including adding over 140 words not found in the 1611 edition, omitting over 45 words found in the 1611 edition, etc.?

Are you saying that the errors that the makers of the KJV kept in the 1611 KJV from the 1602 edition of the Bishops' Bible were perfect and should not have been corrected by later editors?

1 Kings 11:5 [Ammonites--1560 Geneva Bible, 1568 Bishops' Bible; Amorites--1602 Bishops' Bible]

Amorites {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1631, 1634, 1640, 1644 London KJV's]

Ammonites [1769 Oxford KJV]

Once the printing errors had been fixed, and typographical and spelling had been updated and standardized, the precious King James Holy Bible had been purified. And therefore, once it had been purified, there are no longer any improvements made since it had already been purified and perfected.

 

[Biblebeliever]

That's right, the imperfect makers of the KJV could not improve upon the perfections of the original language words given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles.

Are you suggesting that later editiors did not improve upon the 1611 edition of the KJV when they made over 2,000 changes to it, including adding over 140 words not found in the 1611 edition, omitting over 45 words found in the 1611 edition, etc.?

Are you saying that the errors that the makers of the KJV kept in the 1611 KJV from the 1602 edition of the Bishops' Bible were perfect and should not have been corrected by later editors?

1 Kings 11:5 [Ammonites--1560 Geneva Bible, 1568 Bishops' Bible; Amorites--1602 Bishops' Bible]

Amorites {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1631, 1634, 1640, 1644 London KJV's]

Ammonites [1769 Oxford KJV]

Also, Will Kinney has written a great article on this issue concerning the spelling changes and the fixing of printer errors. You can see the article by clicking on the link given below:


http://www.brandplucked.webs.com/printingerrors.htm

 

[logos1560]

That's right, the imperfect makers of the KJV could not improve upon the perfections of the original language words given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles.

Are you suggesting that later editiors did not improve upon the 1611 edition of the KJV when they made over 2,000 changes to it, including adding over 140 words not found in the 1611 edition, omitting over 45 words found in the 1611 edition, etc.?

Are you saying that the errors that the makers of the KJV kept in the 1611 KJV from the 1602 edition of the Bishops' Bible were perfect and should not have been corrected by later editors?

1 Kings 11:5 [Ammonites--1560 Geneva Bible, 1568 Bishops' Bible; Amorites--1602 Bishops' Bible]

Amorites {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1631, 1634, 1640, 1644 London KJV's]

Ammonites [1769 Oxford KJV]

Once the printing errors had been fixed, and typographical and spelling had been updated and standardized, the precious King James Holy Bible had been purified. And therefore, once it had been purified, there are no longer any improvements made since it had already been purified and perfected.

You have not demonstrated that all the actual errors in the 1611 edition were the fault of the printers.

In which year and by what printer was the first completely "purified" edition of the KJV first printed?

How long did it take for the KJV to be "purified" since present KJV editions have changes and improvements made as late as the early 1900's and they do not have some improvements that were actually made in the 1700's?

A number of present KJV editions have renderings that were corrected and improved in later KJV editions.  For one example, many present KJV editions have the rendering "God" for the Hebrew name translated Jehovah in other verses even though it was corrected to "GOD" as early as the 1629 Cambridge edition.

Genesis 6:5 [1611 kept “God” from 1602 Bishops; see also 2 Samuel 12:22, 2 Chronicles 28:11, Isaiah 49:13] [the Lord--1560 Geneva] [the LORD--NKJV]
JEHOVAH (1842 Bernard) Jehovah (1853 Boothroyd)
God (1679, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1777, 1778, 1782, 1783, 1784, 1788, 1791, 1792, 1795e, 1798, 1799, 1800, 1803, 1810, 1812, 1928 Oxford, 1952 PE, SSB) [1648, 1677, 1743, 1747, 1756, 1760, 1761, 1765, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1773, 1778, 1783, 1795, 1800, 1817, 1822, 1824, 2005 Cambridge, 2011 Transetto Text] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1616, 1617, 1631, 1634, 1640, 1644, 1650, 1660, 1684, 1750, 1795, 1824 London} (1722, 1735, 1756, 1760, 1764, 1766, 1769, 1787, 1789, 1791, 1858 Edinburgh) (1762 Dublin) (1700 MP) (1776 Pasham) (1774, 1777 Fortescu) (1777 Wood) (1782 Aitken) (1784 Piguent) (1785 Wilson) (1790 Bolton) (1790, 1804, 1833 MH) (1791, 1816 Collins) (1791 Thomas) (1796 Bowyer) (1801 Hopkins) (1802, 1813, 1815 Carey) (1803 Etheridge) (1807, 1813 Johnson) (1809, 1810, 1818, 1828 Boston) (1810, 1832, 1835, 1839 Scott) (1811 Hewlett) (1815 Walpole) (1816 Albany) (1818 Holbrook) (Clarke) (1823, 1827 Smith) (1831 Brown) (1832 PSE) (1843, 1856 AFBS) (1846 Portland) (1845, 1854, 1857, 1876 Harding) (1848 Hartford) (1855 Perry) (1859, 1868 RTS) (1873 Cooke) (1876 Porter) (1895, 1997 NPC) (1897 Mackail) (1923 NIB) (1924, 1958 Hertel) (1905, 1945, 1989, 1991, 1998, 2004 World) (1954 ABS) (1965, 1968 Royal) (1966 SC) (1972, 1976, 1987, 1989, 2001, 2002 TN) (1973 REG) (1973 WAP) (1975, 1985, 1990 Open) (1975, 1978, 2008 GID) (1976 BH) (1976 OGH) (CSB) (Nave’s) (RRB) (WMCRB) (LASB) (1991, 2012 FWP) (1984 AMG) (VB) (JVIPB) (EB) (2000 Rainbow) (RSB) (2005 ICC) (2007 SFCB) (2007 TCRB) (2008 Pilot) (2010 Baker) (2010 BEAMS) (2010 BRO) (APB) (1979-2, 1998, 2010, 2013 Holman) (2011 AMP) (2011 PJB) (2012 F-S) (HKJVSB) (1833 WEB)
GOD (1715, 1768, 1769 Oxford, SRB, Oxford Classic, NPB) [1629, 1637, 1638 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] {1672, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1817 London}

Over twenty present KJV editions have some new errors such as this one at Joshua 13:14.

Joshua 13:14
the tribes of Levi (1985 VB) (1987, 2001, 2002 TN) (EB) (JVIPB) (2004 World) (2005 ICC) (2008 Pilot) (2010 Baker) (2010 BRO) (1979-2, 1996, 1998, 2010, 2013 Holman) (APB) (2011 AMP) (2011, 2012 Barbour) (2011 PJB) (HKJVSB) (2012 F-S)
the tribe of Levi (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1629, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB]