Testimony, Judgmental, and Pants

[Castor Muscular]

A couple seconds back I made up a young lady who gave a credible profession of faith.  She had a bad experience with what she perceived to be judgmental pharisees.  She, herself, wore dresses and skirts, but hung out with her friends who happened to wear pants.  Her church got wind of her "runnin' the women's pants crowd" and told her that she needed to stop such activities, because it gave the impression that she approved of women wearing pants by keeping company with women who wear pants.  And unlike the designated driver, whose motivation was not to go to bars, but to provide a safe way home for her friends, this girl's motivation is clearly to keep company with the women who happen to wear pants. 

What would you do if an impressionable new/young Christian member of your church were to go out regularly with women friends who wore pants?

 

[Recovering IFB]

Were they True Religion jeans?  Lol!

 

[brianb]

There are a lot of Christian women, young and old who hang out with women friends who wear pants. I don't think any thing of it. Some of those women are in my church which is fundamental but not "pharisaical" or judgmental. We don't find pants (at least not the majority of pants) to be offensive - I've seen every kind of pants worn in church there is saving hot pants and leather pants.

 

[brianb]

Were they True Religion jeans?  Lol!

Or maybe they were "7 for all Mankind" jeans. 7 is the number of perfection.

 

[Castor Muscular]

There are a lot of women, young and old who hang out with women friends who wear pants. I don't think any thing of it. Some of those women are in my church which is fundamental but not "pharisaical" or judgmental. We don't find pants (at least not the majority of pants) to be offensive - I've seen every kind of pants worn in church there is saving hot pants and leather pants.

Don't you think it would hurt her testimony to be seen frequenting women in the habit of sinning by wearing pants? 

Also, what would Jesus do?  He drank wine.  He hung out with people who drank wine.  But I bet he never hung out with women who wore pants. 

 

[brianb]

There are a lot of women, young and old who hang out with women friends who wear pants. I don't think any thing of it. Some of those women are in my church which is fundamental but not "pharisaical" or judgmental. We don't find pants (at least not the majority of pants) to be offensive - I've seen every kind of pants worn in church there is saving hot pants and leather pants.

Don't you think it would hurt her testimony to be seen frequenting women in the habit of sinning by wearing pants? 

Also, what would Jesus do?  He drank wine.  He hung out with people who drank wine.  But I bet he never hung out with women who wore pants.

No, I don't think it would hurt her testimony. There maybe some people who think it would but I don't know of any that think that way.

Also Jesus did drink wine and hung out with people who drank wine but were any of them drunk? The Pharisees accused Jesus of being a winebibber and a glutton because he was a friend of aand sinners and ate with them but he was not with them just to eat and drink. He would have been there to teach them the truth of the gospel and to repent. There may have been those who were really drunk at these parties but it`s not likely that Jesus would have spoken with them. They are not easy to talk to as any one who has tried to witness to them knows. They`re judgement is just too impaired at that point. Now some who are a little drunk could receive the truth but when the brain is numbed - it`s just not possible - so why bother  - they are the kind I would just show by action that I care about them if they needed my help and I would hope they would not drink so much.

 

[Recovering IFB]

There are a lot of women, young and old who hang out with women friends who wear pants. I don't think any thing of it. Some of those women are in my church which is fundamental but not "pharisaical" or judgmental. We don't find pants (at least not the majority of pants) to be offensive - I've seen every kind of pants worn in church there is saving hot pants and leather pants.

Don't you think it would hurt her testimony to be seen frequenting women in the habit of sinning by wearing pants? 

Also, what would Jesus do?  He drank wine.  He hung out with people who drank wine.  But I bet he never hung out with women who wore pants.

No, I don't think it would hurt her testimony. There maybe some people who think it would but I don't know of any that think that way.

Also Jesus did drink wine and hung out with people who drank wine but were any of them drunk? The Pharisees accused Jesus of being a winebibber and a glutton because he was a friend of aand sinners and ate with them but he was not with them just to eat and drink. He would have been there to teach them the truth of the gospel and to repent. There may have been those who were really drunk at these parties but it`s not likely that Jesus would have spoken with them. They are not easy to talk to as any one who has tried to witness to them knows. They`re judgement is just too impaired at that point. Now some who are a little drunk could receive the truth but when the brain is numbed - it`s just not possible - so why bother  - they are the kind I would just show by action that I care about them if they needed my help and I would hope they would not drink so much.

Brian, I remember very vividly a Marine witnessing to me, before God opened my eyes, when I was very inebriated one night and it still sticks with me to this day. I didn't start my journey till years later but that Marine was used by God to plant a seed in my head. The Gospel is strong enough to cut through anything.
I do from time to time, frequent a cigar lounge in my neighborhood, to enjoy a cigar and to meet people. It is at that times is when I start to lay the groundwork to witness and build relation shops with people.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Relationships*....stupid iPhone

 

[Castor Muscular]

No, I don't think it would hurt her testimony. There maybe some people who think it would but I don't know of any that think that way.

Well, there are clearly people who think it hurts your testimony to be seen in a bar, even if you're not drinking and the people with you aren't getting drunk.  If that hurts your testimony and it isn't a sin to drink in moderation, then surely it would hurt your testimony to keep company with women who wear pants, since women wearing pants IS a sin.  Right?  I mean, you're deliberately hanging with women who are living in sin and flouting it.  Flouting it, I say.

 

[brianb]

I think if you are trying to not associate yourself with women who wear pants you may as well form a commune and separate yourself from society. Most women wear pants but most women believe it or not don't go to drinking establishments believe it or not - if that was the case there would be as many or more of them then there are Starbucks and other coffee shops. Many women will drink only in restaurants - much nicer.

 

[Izdaari]

No, I don't think it would hurt her testimony. There maybe some people who think it would but I don't know of any that think that way.

Well, there are clearly people who think it hurts your testimony to be seen in a bar, even if you're not drinking and the people with you aren't getting drunk.  If that hurts your testimony and it isn't a sin to drink in moderation, then surely it would hurt your testimony to keep company with women who wear pants, since women wearing pants IS a sin.  Right?  I mean, you're deliberately hanging with women who are living in sin and flouting it.  Flouting it, I say.

Being seen in a bar hurts your testimony IF AND ONLY IF you profess to be a teetotaler. In that event, it hurts because it makes you appear a hypocrite. Since my church tradition (Anglican) has no problem with moderate and responsible drinking, there's no problem.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Well, if one is determined to associate with sin-drenched brazen hussies who insist on flouting their disobedience to Biblical principles by wearing pants, then so be it.  That person will have destroyed his/her testimony as a Christian.  The only thing I can imagine that would be worse for a testimony than associating with such shameless trollops would be for a man to marry one.  Being so closely associated with a pants-wearing strumpet would be so devastating to one's testimony, I don't see how one could even show one's face in a forum of Christians, such as this. 

Do I hear an Amen-ah? 

 

[Timothy]

A couple seconds back I made up a young lady who gave a credible profession of faith.  She had a bad experience with what she perceived to be judgmental pharisees.  She, herself, wore dresses and skirts, but hung out with her friends who happened to wear pants.  Her church got wind of her "runnin' the women's pants crowd" and told her that she needed to stop such activities, because it gave the impression that she approved of women wearing pants by keeping company with women who wear pants.  And unlike the designated driver, whose motivation was not to go to bars, but to provide a safe way home for her friends, this girl's motivation is clearly to keep company with the women who happen to wear pants. 

What would you do if an impressionable new/young Christian member of your church were to go out regularly with women friends who wore pants?

Most of the women in our church wear pants.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Most of the women in our church wear pants.

I hope you don't attend your church.  That would harm your testimony. 

 

[Timothy]

Most of the women in our church wear pants.

I hope you don't attend your church.  That would harm your testimony.

Maybe my wife should begin a ministry handing out skirts.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Maybe my wife should begin a ministry handing out skirts.

No, that wouldn't work.  Remember, the woman who volunteered to be a designated driver was motivated by Christ-like love.  She wanted to protect the lives of her friends and strangers.  But just being seen with her drinking friends would harm her testimony, right? 

Therefore, it doesn't matter if your wife is trying to do good by handing out skirts.  Just being seen with those pants-wearing shameless tarts would harm her testimony.  Her motives for being there don't matter. 

 

[Castor Muscular]

Here, let me explain the issues about your Christian testimony.  It isn't about who you are, what you do, or why you do it.  It's about what people think when they see you.  In order to maintain a good testimony, you must manage your appearance. 

For example:  Say your wife sometimes wears pants.  It hurts your testimony to be seen with a woman wearing pants, so try to avoid being seen with her whenever possible.  Instead, look for a mistress who will agree to wear dresses and skirts and pretend to be you wife, and go out with her as often as possible.  You will be seen with a woman who appears to be submissive and obedient to Biblical standards.  Be careful who you pick for a mistress, because she has to pass as your wife for years to come.  So if you're into kinky stuff, find a mistress who is also into kinky stuff, but will wear the proper clothes in public.  If you have to pay a little extra for that, it's worth it.  It's your Christian testimony we're talking about here. 

Voila.  You will have a stellar testimony because of what people think they see when you are out and about. 

 

[BALAAM]

As someone on one of the other forums so eloquently stated: Jack Schaap like for women to wear dresses.

Easier access!

 

[brianb]

As someone on one of the other forums so eloquently stated: Jack Schaap like for women to wear dresses.

Easier access!

I think that's probably the same reason many guys like their girlfriends wearing yoga pants. There are jeans that look just as good  or better but you know how hard tight jeans are to get off even for the one wearing them. Some of these girls just wear yoga pants because it pleases their boyfriends.

 

[Timothy]

Maybe my wife should begin a ministry handing out skirts.

No, that wouldn't work.  Remember, the woman who volunteered to be a designated driver was motivated by Christ-like love.  She wanted to protect the lives of her friends and strangers.  But just being seen with her drinking friends would harm her testimony, right? 

Therefore, it doesn't matter if your wife is trying to do good by handing out skirts.  Just being seen with those pants-wearing shameless tarts would harm her testimony.  Her motives for being there don't matter.

Then perhaps she should hand out little tin trumpets to our daughters, march around the Church seven times, and then with a loud shout, along with the little ones blowing their trumpets, pray down judgement from on high!

Incidentally, just last night my pastor preached about showing our love to the world by being flexible and not judgmental.