Tebow *is* a compromiser after all!

[ChipsWife]

Wouldn't it be better to pray for this young man that his testimony remain pure than to sound like you are gloating at the temptations he faces?  I have never heard him trying to take the credit for the good he is able to do.  He praises the Lord for the opportunity to play and use the money to help others.

 

[ALAYMAN]

*Correction*

  He praises the Lord for the opportunity to play ON THE LORD'S DAY and use the money to help others.

Obedience.  Sacrifice.  God prefers one over the other!









For those still paying attention, shouldn't the white be a little more difficult to see than it actually is?

 

[themagneticfields]

Do I hear an Ohio State fan knocking Tebow?

Well, since he's well on his way to slinking towards Gomorrah he'd probably listen to some of that pagan music you're so fond of!

Or maybe he can hear people talk about him on pagan radio station and read about himself in pagan newspapers too!

 

[Just me]

In over thirty years as an IFBx'er I saw over and over the proper way to help someone is to chastise them publicly, talk about them negatively behind there back and at every opportunity, criticize there every action, and most certainly never ever contact them and let them know that you care for them, love them, are praying for them and that they are needed for the Lord's work.....

I am so thankful that the Lord, over a half decade ago, removed my family from that un-Scriptural behavior/mentality.

 

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Ok so, Alayman is better than this guy.  Got it.


Feel more spiritual now?

 

[ALAYMAN]

In over thirty years as an IFBx'er I saw over and over the proper way to help someone is to chastise them publicly, talk about them negatively behind there back and at every opportunity, criticize there every action, and most certainly never ever contact them and let them know that you care for them, love them, are praying for them and that they are needed for the Lord's work.....

I am so thankful that the Lord, over a half decade ago, removed my family from that un-Scriptural behavior/mentality.

#1 God doesn't *NEED* anything.  To assert otherwise is heresy.

#2 there/their

carry on

Ok so, Alayman is better than this guy.  Got it.

Well, I played linemen positions, but, I'm still pretty sure I could throw a tighter spiral.

Feel more spiritual now?

Than you?  yep

 

[Just me]

Wow, Alayman, wow. 

All I can say to that "response."

 

[ALAYMAN]

Wow, Alayman, wow. 

All I can say to that "response."

This whole thread my answers have been "over the top" intentionally.  Read the OP, look at the bottom of it, and read the words in "invisible"/white type.

 

[Just me]

Wow, Alayman, wow. 

All I can say to that "response."

This whole thread my answers have been "over the top" intentionally.  Read the OP, look at the bottom of it, and read the words in "invisible"/white type.

Well then you accomplished your goal. 

My bad for not seeing it.

 

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Pharisee.


And a fool.


IFBx isn't dead yet, I see.

 

[brianb]

Alayman, what about people who work in law enforcement or the hospital industry (police, doctors, nurses) or do you put them in a different category as NFL players - NFL players are under contract to play on Sundays. It's funny that no one said anything about Christians players in the past who had to work on Sunday. And by the way it may be fun or play to us but to Tebow et al it is work.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Alayman, what about people who work in law enforcement or the hospital industry (police, doctors, nurses) or do you put them in a different category as NFL players - NFL players are under contract to play on Sundays. It's funny that no one said anything about Christians players in the past who had to work on Sunday. And by the way it may be fun or play to us but to Tebow et al it is work.

Remember, this thread was made with a complete tongue-in-cheek intent, but I'll make an exception for one post.

I'm not going to judge Tebow for exchanging the Lord's day for alternative days of worship, but I STRONGLY believe that Sunday is the Lord's day, very much so in a similar vein to the reformed tradition, and in that vein, that a person has tolerable/excusable reasons (life and limb, essential services, etc) for excusing themselves.  Maybe he worships somewhere with believers on Sunday regularly doing NFL seasons.  If so, good on him.  If not, I think he could choose a different way to honor the Lord, whilst more importantly obeying revealed Scriptural imperatives.

 

[rsc2a]

...but I STRONGLY believe that Sunday is the Lord's day, very much so in a similar vein to the reformed tradition...

I'm not a fan of some sacred/secular divide, and as such, believe all days to be holy. The Sabbath isn't about a particular day of the week. It's a shadow of the rest we have in Christ.

If you want to have services on Friday night instead of Sunday, that's peachy with me.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=rsc2a]

I'm not a fan of some sacred/secular divide, and as such, believe all days to be holy. The Sabbath isn't about a particular day of the week. It's a shadow of the rest we have in Christ.

If you want to have services on Friday night instead of Sunday, that's peachy with me.
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I've known some Catholics to not believe in the sanctity of life issue too, but we call them "non practicing" or "bad" Catholics.  Your profile says you're "reformed", but based on numerous positions you embrace, like this most recent revelation, leads me to conclude you are either not a very good reformed guy, an informed reformed person, or a counterfeit reformed individual.

 

[T-Bone]

Well as for the Sunday thing....Everyday is the "Lord's Day"...but I will go with Paul on this...one esteems one day higher than another, while others see all days the same, let both live them as unto the Lord (paraphrase).  So I won't judge another on their choice to esteem Sunday above other days, nor will I accept their judgment of me as I see everyday as special unto the Lord.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Well as for the Sunday thing....Everyday is the "Lord's Day"...but I will go with Paul on this...one esteems one day higher than another, while others see all days the same, let both live them as unto the Lord (paraphrase).  So I won't judge another on their choice to esteem Sunday above other days, nor will I accept their judgment of me as I see everyday as special unto the Lord.

I'm not absolutely dogmatic about the Lord's day attendance thing, but pretty firm with it.  Having said that, and not merely wanting to quibble, but genuinely curious, wouldn't such a view about the matter serve as a slippery slope regarding any church attendance at all?  In other words, using the same argument you put forth, couldn't somebody essentially say, we are all the church (universal) and I esteem every day given to me by Him, worshipping Him in a variety of ways as I give to the poor, visit the sick, pray, read my Bible daily, etc, etc, etc, so I don't need to visit an organized institution on a given day to attend church (because after all, I *am* the church)?

 

[rsc2a]

I've known some Catholics to not believe in the sanctity of life issue too, but we call them "non practicing" or "bad" Catholics.  Your profile says you're "reformed", but based on numerous positions you embrace, like this most recent revelation, leads me to conclude you are either not a very good reformed guy, an informed reformed person, or a counterfeit reformed individual.

It says "Reformed Baptist-ish". I'm a determinist. For many that would put me squarely in the Reformed box, although there are others who hold to determinism.

When it comes to esteeming one day over another, I tend to side with Paul.

Well as for the Sunday thing....Everyday is the "Lord's Day"...but I will go with Paul on this...one esteems one day higher than another, while others see all days the same, let both live them as unto the Lord (paraphrase).  So I won't judge another on their choice to esteem Sunday above other days, nor will I accept their judgment of me as I see everyday as special unto the Lord.

I'm not absolutely dogmatic about the Lord's day attendance thing, but pretty firm with it.  Having said that, and not merely wanting to quibble, but genuinely curious, wouldn't such a view about the matter serve as a slippery slope in the matter of church attendance at all?  In other words, using the same argument you put forth, couldn't somebody essentially say, we are all the church (universal) and I esteem every day given to me by Him, worshipping Him in a variety of ways as I give to the poor, visit the sick, pray, read my Bible daily, etc, etc, etc, so I don't need to visit an organized institution on a given day to attend church (because after all, I *am* the church)?

Remember where I said I wasn't a fan of "ekklesia" being divorced from the idea of "assembly"?

 

[T-Bone]

Well as for the Sunday thing....Everyday is the "Lord's Day"...but I will go with Paul on this...one esteems one day higher than another, while others see all days the same, let both live them as unto the Lord (paraphrase).  So I won't judge another on their choice to esteem Sunday above other days, nor will I accept their judgment of me as I see everyday as special unto the Lord.

I'm not absolutely dogmatic about the Lord's day attendance thing, but pretty firm with it.  Having said that, and not merely wanting to quibble, but genuinely curious, wouldn't such a view about the matter serve as a slippery slope in the matter of church attendance at all?  In other words, using the same argument you put forth, couldn't somebody essentially say, we are all the church (universal) and I esteem every day given to me by Him, worshipping Him in a variety of ways as I give to the poor, visit the sick, pray, read my Bible daily, etc, etc, etc, so I don't need to visit an organized institution on a given day to attend church (because after all, I *am* the church)?

I guess it could if someone has the need to take it that way...but they could do that anyway.  These are two different issues...one assembling together and the other the day we assemble.  The biblical tradition certainly provides that Sunday is a day of gathering, got no problem with it...but some want to turn Sunday into the "Christian sabbath" ...I got a real problem with that.  But our church meets on Sunday both morning and evening and on Wednesday...along with other small group meetings throughout the week...if we were to offer a Saturday or Friday service in addition and people chose to come to those for whatever reason the assembling would still take place.  I guess I believe we build the fellowship of believers and we meet together as we feel led and whatever day or time that takes place whenever the Body gathers in Jesus Name that is a good thing.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=T-Bone]I guess it could if someone has the need to take it that way...but they could do that anyway.  These are two different issues...one assembling together and the other the day we assemble.  The biblical tradition certainly provides that Sunday is a day of gathering, got no problem with it...but some want to turn Sunday into the "Christian sabbath" ...I got a real problem with that.  But our church meets on Sunday both morning and evening and on Wednesday...along with other small group meetings throughout the week...if we were to offer a Saturday or Friday service in addition and people chose to come to those for whatever reason the assembling would still take place.  I guess I believe we build the fellowship of believers and we meet together as we feel led and whatever day or time that takes place whenever the Body gathers in Jesus Name that is a good thing.
[/quote]

Like I said, I'm not going to impose my view on others, but I think to avoid Sunday worship based on convenience, is wrong, and even sinful, but I ain't going to the mat on this one.  You're absolutely right that if a person is involved in their church on regular non-Sunday gatherings they, by definition, aren't "forsaking", but if the Lord's day to me means something different than what is assumed in the meaning the prohibition to not "esteem one day over another" passage.

It says "Reformed Baptist-ish". I'm a determinist. For many that would put me squarely in the Reformed box, although there are others who hold to determinism.

Well, sticking with the Roman Catholic theme, one might believe in papal infallibility, purgatory, and a host of other doctrines, but if they deny the Trinity, they ain't in the club, and for a "reformed-ish" type to assert that Rome believes in Sola Gratia (and other contradictory doctrinal positions), well, says there's some major disconnect going on.

 

[rsc2a]

Like I said, I'm not going to impose my view on others, but I think to avoid Sunday worship based on convenience, is wrong, and even sinful, but I ain't going to the mat on this one.

You're absolutely right that if a person is involved in their church on regular non-Sunday gatherings they, by definition, aren't "forsaking", but if the Lord's day to me means something different than what is assumed in the meaning the prohibition to not "esteem one day over another" passage.

??

It says "Reformed Baptist-ish". I'm a determinist. For many that would put me squarely in the Reformed box, although there are others who hold to determinism.

Well, sticking with the Roman Catholic theme, one might believe in papal infallibility, purgatory, and a host of other doctrines, but if they deny the Trinity, they ain't in the club, and for a "reformed-ish" type to assert that Rome believes in Sola Gratia (and other contradictory doctrinal positions), well, says there's some major disconnect going on.

Chasing rabbits?