Sumpreme Court Declares U.S. to be Like Sodom & Gomorrah

[Smellin Coffee]

It would seem the context of the story of Sodom's destruction doesn't give much room to question what THE sin of the Sodomites was...

Never said otherwise, IN THIS PASSAGE. But Ezekiel sheds more light and exposes more sin. That's all I am saying.

But, on the bright side, for Smellin, it doesn't say they were Democrats.....

Who cares? I don't vote Democrat. I believe I have voted for only a couple in my lifetime and they were local candidates, not Washington puppets. Both parties are vile but concerning different matters. And if the sin of Sodom is considered soley a "political liberal" thing, I take umbrance and propose the sin of Sodom also included issues practiced by many of today's political conservatives as well.

 

[kaba]

in genesis 19.. .. when the angels visiting lot struck the men outside his door blind... ...  then ordered lot to flee the city with his family.....  it was not because those men wanted to show the angels their pride... flaunt how much excess food they had... or demonstrate how prosperously easy their lives were..... all while refusing to help the poor and needy....  there was another very evil and wicked thing those men wanted to do to the angels in lots house ......  and they stated their intentions in no uncertain terms...... 

no doubt those other things mentioned are also wicked sins....  and many countries including our own is guilty of them.....  but they were not the sins the angels struck the men of sodom, standing outside lots door, blind for.....  and they weren;t the sins lot was willing to subject his own daughters to rather than have the angels visiting his house defiled........

and though a lot of people will probably hate me for saying this.....  the attitude of those men of sodom standing outside lots door that night...  reflect the attitudes of many in the gay communities today.... and also their defenders.... ... they are not satisfied to have their peculiar sin and keep it to themselves....  they want to involve everybody else in it too... make them accept it and rub their faces in it......  whether they like it or not....  and that;s the problem....  .. a lot of people, including many christians... refusing to see it for what it is have become blind to it.... or made themselves blind to it....  now it seems the supreme court has joined them...... wandering around blind unable to find their way just like another group did in sodom a few thousand years ago......  until God destroyed their city...

before paul ever took up the pen christians, and the faithful before Christ came, understood this by reading genesis..... nothing in the new testament contradicts it........  so why the confusion?...

That's THE best explanation I have heard on this forum!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

It would seem the context of the story of Sodom's destruction doesn't give much room to question what THE sin of the Sodomites was...

Never said otherwise, IN THIS PASSAGE. But Ezekiel sheds more light and exposes more sin. That's all I am saying.

But, on the bright side, for Smellin, it doesn't say they were Democrats.....

Who cares? I don't vote Democrat. I believe I have voted for only a couple in my lifetime and they were local candidates, not Washington puppets. Both parties are vile but concerning different matters. And if the sin of Sodom is considered soley a "political liberal" thing, I take umbrance and propose the sin of Sodom also included issues practiced by many of today's political conservatives as well.

Dan, I don't sell my soul to politicians or politics either....conservative, libertarian or otherwise. I don't think the sin of Sodom is political, but immoral.
I take umbrage at politicians or judges who approve of, push or reward any sin, Sodomy, abortion or laziness.

But, you brought politics into the conversation....

 

[Smellin Coffee]

It would seem the context of the story of Sodom's destruction doesn't give much room to question what THE sin of the Sodomites was...

Never said otherwise, IN THIS PASSAGE. But Ezekiel sheds more light and exposes more sin. That's all I am saying.

But, on the bright side, for Smellin, it doesn't say they were Democrats.....

Who cares? I don't vote Democrat. I believe I have voted for only a couple in my lifetime and they were local candidates, not Washington puppets. Both parties are vile but concerning different matters. And if the sin of Sodom is considered soley a "political liberal" thing, I take umbrance and propose the sin of Sodom also included issues practiced by many of today's political conservatives as well.

Dan, I don't sell my soul to politicians or politics either....conservative, libertarian or otherwise. I don't think the sin of Sodom is political, but immoral.
I take umbrage at politicians or judges who approve of, push or reward any sin, Sodomy, abortion or laziness.

Not saying you do. I would have no idea. The main premise I was bringing to the forefront is that there was more to God's destuction of Sodom than just sexual preversion. But for whatever reasons, we "Christians" or "Repulicans" or "religious" tend to identify Sodom's main sinful proclivity as homosexuality. Even the Genesis passage hints there was more to it than that, though it does not bring to attention the same points that Ezekiel was told to identify. Their sexual proclivities were so extreme that they would want to "gang rape" strangers. I certainly don't see that advocated by any politician in this country, regardless of party.

But, you brought politics into the conversation....

Actually 4everfsu said,

What do you expect of liberal Godless judges?

I s'pose 4EFSU could have meantonly the godless judges that are personally generous.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

It would seem the context of the story of Sodom's destruction doesn't give much room to question what THE sin of the Sodomites was...

Never said otherwise, IN THIS PASSAGE. But Ezekiel sheds more light and exposes more sin. That's all I am saying.

But, on the bright side, for Smellin, it doesn't say they were Democrats.....

Who cares? I don't vote Democrat. I believe I have voted for only a couple in my lifetime and they were local candidates, not Washington puppets. Both parties are vile but concerning different matters. And if the sin of Sodom is considered soley a "political liberal" thing, I take umbrance and propose the sin of Sodom also included issues practiced by many of today's political conservatives as well.

Dan, I don't sell my soul to politicians or politics either....conservative, libertarian or otherwise. I don't think the sin of Sodom is political, but immoral.
I take umbrage at politicians or judges who approve of, push or reward any sin, Sodomy, abortion or laziness.

Not saying you do. I would have no idea. The main premise I was bringing to the forefront is that there was more to God's destuction of Sodom than just sexual preversion. But for whatever reasons, we "Christians" or "Repulicans" or "religious" tend to identify Sodom's main sinful proclivity as homosexuality. Even the Genesis passage hints there was more to it than that, though it does not bring to attention the same points that Ezekiel was told to identify. Their sexual proclivities were so extreme that they would want to "gang rape" strangers. I certainly don't see that advocated by any politician in this country, regardless of party.

But, you brought politics into the conversation....

Actually 4everfsu said,

What do you expect of liberal Godless judges?

I s'pose 4EFSU could have meantonly the godless judges that are personally generous.

Dan, he was right...at least the decision they made was godless...as to principle.
And, the sin of Sodom was sexual perversion...the other is merely window dressing by comparison.
And, Sodomy is condemned in many other places in scripture...even in the Torah! 

 

[subllibrm]

in genesis 19.. .. when the angels visiting lot struck the men outside his door blind... ...  then ordered lot to flee the city with his family.....  it was not because those men wanted to show the angels their pride... flaunt how much excess food they had... or demonstrate how prosperously easy their lives were..... all while refusing to help the poor and needy....  there was another very evil and wicked thing those men wanted to do to the angels in lots house ......  and they stated their intentions in no uncertain terms...... 

no doubt those other things mentioned are also wicked sins....  and many countries including our own is guilty of them.....  but they were not the sins the angels struck the men of sodom, standing outside lots door, blind for.....  and they weren;t the sins lot was willing to subject his own daughters to rather than have the angels visiting his house defiled........

and though a lot of people will probably hate me for saying this.....  the attitude of those men of sodom standing outside lots door that night...  reflect the attitudes of many in the gay communities today.... and also their defenders.... ... they are not satisfied to have their peculiar sin and keep it to themselves....  they want to involve everybody else in it too... make them accept it and rub their faces in it......  whether they like it or not....  and that;s the problem....  .. a lot of people, including many christians... refusing to see it for what it is have become blind to it.... or made themselves blind to it....  now it seems the supreme court has joined them...... wandering around blind unable to find their way just like another group did in sodom a few thousand years ago......  until God destroyed their city...

before paul ever took up the pen christians, and the faithful before Christ came, understood this by reading genesis..... nothing in the new testament contradicts it........  so why the confusion?...

I encourage you to submit this to the New York Times and Washington Post. Without a doubt, the best defense of the biblical conclusion regarding the "sin of Sodom" that I have ever read.

Bill

 

[Torrent v.3]

I'm just glad I can finally marry my nose hair clippers.  My current wife will simply have to learn to share.

There's polygamy, polyandry and now Nose hair clippamy.

 

[brianb]

If you want to know what happens to a country where gay marriage is legalized just look at Canada (10 years now) and The Netherlands (13 years)

 

[BandGuy]

I challenge anyone to find a nation which allowed religious liberty (including freedom for the Christian) for more than 250 years straight.  It is very possible the Christians will be persecuted in America at some point in the next few generations.

I think you are tragically optimistic with your prediction.  I think it is very possible that true persecution will begin much sooner than you expect or than what many of us, myself included, might have hoped.  I give it a year, maybe two.

 

[BandGuy]

in genesis 19.. .. when the angels visiting lot struck the men outside his door blind... ...  then ordered lot to flee the city with his family.....  it was not because those men wanted to show the angels their pride... flaunt how much excess food they had... or demonstrate how prosperously easy their lives were..... all while refusing to help the poor and needy....  there was another very evil and wicked thing those men wanted to do to the angels in lots house ......  and they stated their intentions in no uncertain terms...... 

no doubt those other things mentioned are also wicked sins....  and many countries including our own is guilty of them.....  but they were not the sins the angels struck the men of sodom, standing outside lots door, blind for.....  and they weren;t the sins lot was willing to subject his own daughters to rather than have the angels visiting his house defiled........

and though a lot of people will probably hate me for saying this.....  the attitude of those men of sodom standing outside lots door that night...  reflect the attitudes of many in the gay communities today.... and also their defenders.... ... they are not satisfied to have their peculiar sin and keep it to themselves....  they want to involve everybody else in it too... make them accept it and rub their faces in it......  whether they like it or not....  and that;s the problem....  .. a lot of people, including many christians... refusing to see it for what it is have become blind to it.... or made themselves blind to it....  now it seems the supreme court has joined them...... wandering around blind unable to find their way just like another group did in sodom a few thousand years ago......  until God destroyed their city...

before paul ever took up the pen christians, and the faithful before Christ came, understood this by reading genesis..... nothing in the new testament contradicts it........  so why the confusion?...

You get to the point of the matter. 
It would seem the context of the story of Sodom's destruction doesn't give much room to question what THE sin of the Sodomites was...
But, on the bright side, for Smellin, it doesn't say they were Democrats.....

I am not a Democrat, but if you think homosexuality is only a democrat issue, you REALLY haven't been paying attention to what has been going on in the GOP:

http://www.logcabin.org/

http://www.logcabin.org/issues/allies/

http://www.logcabin.org/about-us/our-history/

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Dan, he was right...at least the decision they made was godless...as to principle.

And, the sin of Sodom was sexual perversion...the other is merely window dressing by comparison.

...this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.

And, Sodomy is condemned in many other places in scripture...even in the Torah! 

Again...

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[Tarheel Baptist]

Dan, he was right...at least the decision they made was godless...as to principle.

And, the sin of Sodom was sexual perversion...the other is merely window dressing by comparison.

...this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.

And, Sodomy is condemned in many other places in scripture...even in the Torah! 

Again...

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Sorry for missing your point Dan.

How's this:
Sodom's sin was not Sodomy, but a lack of social justice.
America had better get her act together and begin to re-distribute wealth and be sure we all share poverty equally, or judgement is eminent.

Sarcasm off now....I would say the acceptance of Sodomy and the coming persecution of Christians are part of judgement....but it has next to nothing to do with your tired old (circa mainline denominations in the 60's) lack of social justice arguments.
Lack of social justice is to Sodomy what a dog is to a cat.

Insert face palm here!

 

[Reformed Guy]

I'm not going to try to hunt down every rabbit running loose on this thread, but I am gonna fire off a few shots:

The Church is at fault here-- Yes, it is.  It has made a mockery of marriage for the past 50 years, embracing no-fault divorce, tolerating adultery and a host of sexual sins.  It has embraced feminism, egalitarianism.  It has embraced (even promoted) the functional break-up of the family.  It has widely endorsed an anti-God educational system and has sought to entertain instead of enlighten.  It has become materialistic, worldly and has created an unholy alliance with political parties.  All of which is true- none of which diminish the wickedness of the recent victories of the sodomite agenda.

The Republican Party is at fault here-- Yes, it is.  It has made a mockery of marriage for years.  (Insert pics here of Newt Gingrich & Mark Sanford).  Yet these unsavory characters are promoted by Christians because we feel that it is imperative that our favorite adulterers appear more righteous than the other side's assorted perverts.  It has very little remaining vestige of anything remotely righteous, yet it remains the great idol that we look to for deliverance.

Sodom's sin was inhospitality-- Yes, it was.  Inhospitality is the summation of all the violations of the command to love one's neighbor, and given that the Sodomite has been given over to the basest of desires toward violating God's Law & order, it's entirely consistent that a Sodomite culture be described as a lazy, selfish, inhospitable, unmerciful one.  Every culture given over to the basest of degrading passions have exhibited these traits.  In spite of what the media tells us, in it is no way loving toward one's neighbor to act upon homosexual desires toward him.  To commit sodomy is to hate others.

 

[4everfsu]

Looks like your shot gun blast is not hitting the target.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Sorry for missing your point Dan.

How's this:
Sodom's sin was not Sodomy, but a lack of social justice.
America had better get her act together and begin to re-distribute wealth and be sure we all share poverty equally, or judgement is eminent.

Sarcasm off now....

Not at all what I said. I pointed out in an earlier post that Ezekiel mentioned this...

... and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you, is Sodom with her daughters. Not only did you walk in their ways and do according to their abominations; within a very little time you were more corrupt than they in all your ways.

These abominations are not identified in the text but they were a part of why God destroyed Sodom. I never, ever said it was solely lack of social justices. In fact, I said the opposite but some people just want to read into what I did not say.

I would say the acceptance of Sodomy and the coming persecution of Christians are part of judgement....but it has next to nothing to do with your tired old (circa mainline denominations in the 60's) lack of social justice arguments.
Lack of social justice is to Sodomy what a dog is to a cat.

In essence, the Landlord destroyed the Apartment because the tenents were keeping pets. It mattered not whether they were cats or dogs; both were in voilation.

I mentioned in another post to rsc2a (I believe it was) that I don't know if God equates sins equally or ranks them. I did point out that regardless, some sins have more repercussions toward others than other sins. My greed doesn't hurt anyone by me and my relationship with Christ whereas my theft (had I committed such) does affect my relationship with the one from whom I allegedly stole, my family for my disgrace, etc. To use that analogy, two gay men having consentual sex in the privacy of their own lives does not affect others. Our lack of social justices do affect the well-being of others. Not saying one is worse than the other but their influences are different.

Now if you are talking about the promotion of sensuality, that is where it leaks into the lives of others. In Sodom, the sexual proclivities endangered the well-being of the strangers and Lot's daughters. I'm not denying that the agenda itself doesn't affect others, but the practice itself, in many instances, doesn't. I think Reformed said it somewhat correctly that the two ideals are in correlation though I disagree with his premise that homosexuality itself is an act of hatred. Regardless, Ezekiel pointed out that Israel's sins were the same that Sodom committed and he listed the specifics according to how God wanted. No matter how you want to spin it, God said what He said through Ezekiel.

Insert face palm here!

For you my friend, I will insert a double!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Thanks for the face palm...I needed a double!

Do you join the fair minded people in our culture....the Paul's in my sig line.....who bemoan the fact that we aren't more like the old USSR or modern day Cuba....where everyone shares everything....but the only thing left to share is poverty?

Cheer up....we're headed in that direction.....add a little socialism a.k.a. social justice to a little gay rights a.k.a. Acceptance of Sodomy and Paradise is just around the corner......

 

[brianb]

Things don't have to turn out as bad as you think if America legalizes same-sex marriage. In Canada same-sex marriage was legalized in 2005 nationally (it had already been legal in 8 provinces but the Civil Marriage Act made it legal in the conservative provinces). Soon after in that same year Canada voted in a Conservative government with a conservative Prime Minister. America could vote in a more conservative government - it is possible. This doesn't mean laws will change again but it won't mean national anarchy or something like that.

 

[kaba]

I'm not going to try to hunt down every rabbit running loose on this thread, but I am gonna fire off a few shots:

The Church is at fault here-- Yes, it is.  It has made a mockery of marriage for the past 50 years, embracing no-fault divorce, tolerating adultery and a host of sexual sins.  It has embraced feminism, egalitarianism.  It has embraced (even promoted) the functional break-up of the family.  It has widely endorsed an anti-God educational system and has sought to entertain instead of enlighten.  It has become materialistic, worldly and has created an unholy alliance with political parties.  All of which is true- none of which diminish the wickedness of the recent victories of the sodomite agenda.

The Republican Party is at fault here-- Yes, it is.  It has made a mockery of marriage for years.  (Insert pics here of Newt Gingrich & Mark Sanford).  Yet these unsavory characters are promoted by Christians because we feel that it is imperative that our favorite adulterers appear more righteous than the other side's assorted perverts.  It has very little remaining vestige of anything remotely righteous, yet it remains the great idol that we look to for deliverance.

Sodom's sin was inhospitality-- Yes, it was.  Inhospitality is the summation of all the violations of the command to love one's neighbor, and given that the Sodomite has been given over to the basest of desires toward violating God's Law & order, it's entirely consistent that a Sodomite culture be described as a lazy, selfish, inhospitable, unmerciful one.  Every culture given over to the basest of degrading passions have exhibited these traits.  In spite of what the media tells us, in it is no way loving toward one's neighbor to act upon homosexual desires toward him.  To commit sodomy is to hate others.

You really believe what you wrote?

 

[graceandtruth]

Thanks for the face palm...I needed a double!

Do you join the fair minded people in our culture....the Paul's in my sig line.....who bemoan the fact that we aren't more like the old USSR or modern day Cuba....where everyone shares everything....but the only thing left to share is poverty?

Cheer up....we're headed in that direction.....add a little socialism a.k.a. social justice to a little gay rights a.k.a. Acceptance of Sodomy and Paradise is just around the corner......

I know this is a little off topic but.....

Why is the conduct Scripture teaches is Christian duty throughout Scripture being called "social justice" and painted as evil?  I'm just wondering.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Thanks for the face palm...I needed a double!

Do you join the fair minded people in our culture....the Paul's in my sig line.....who bemoan the fact that we aren't more like the old USSR or modern day Cuba....where everyone shares everything....but the only thing left to share is poverty?

Cheer up....we're headed in that direction.....add a little socialism a.k.a. social justice to a little gay rights a.k.a. Acceptance of Sodomy and Paradise is just around the corner......

I know this is a little off topic but.....

Why is the conduct Scripture teaches is Christian duty throughout Scripture being called "social justice" and painted as evil?  I'm just wondering.

"Social Justice" has a lot of meanings.

The Marxist meaning:

Justice is when you are punished for stealing money.
Social Justice is when you are punished for earning money.