standards

[JustABigKid]

Do you believe that standards are a list of rules in the bible or is it a personally decision based on how you think God warts you to live?

I would like to hear some thoughts and will give my thoughts later.

Please if we could stay on topic that would be great 

 

[Torrent v.3]

I have my own rules based on my reading of the Bible, the Spirit's leading and my own conscience.

 

[lnf]

I agree with Torrent.  The Bible doesn't always spell out "my" rules in so many words.  But Holy Spirit convicts.  I try to listen.

I put "my" in quotes very purposely.  You might not be convicted in the same areas I am...even though we are both "hearing" biblically.

 

[ALAYMAN]

God has standards.  Be ye holy as I am holy.  Commandments, rightly divided and applied, are God's standards.

The way most people mean "standards" the way you are seemingly using it, are (or ought to be) personal application made from inferences within Scriptural principles.

 

[lnf]

Yes, Alayman...scriptural principles.

 

[bruinboy]

Standards, as defined by the average IFB person, is a bunch of man-made hoooey.  But hey, it is easier to obey rules than live a Godly life.  To each his own.  God Bless. 

 

[lnf]

Well, praise  God that we're not all average IFB persons, then, bruinboy.  What do you consider to be a Godly life?  I don't know you very well at all, but I perceive a consistently negative vibe from you.  Do you have joy and peace in the Lord? 

 

[rsc2a]

Do you believe that standards are a list of rules in the bible or is it a personally decision based on how you think God warts you to live?

I would like to hear some thoughts and will give my thoughts later.

Please if we could stay on topic that would be great 

The standards:

1. Love God.
2. Love others.

Everything you should be doing will fall under those two categories.

 

[cave_dweller]

Do you believe that standards are a list of rules in the bible or is it a personally decision based on how you think God warts you to live?

I would like to hear some thoughts and will give my thoughts later.

Please if we could stay on topic that would be great 

Christ was the ultimate standard. I believe seperaton is people and not things.

 

[bruinboy]

Well, praise  God that we're not all average IFB persons, then, bruinboy.  What do you consider to be a Godly life?  I don't know you very well at all, but I perceive a consistently negative vibe from you.  Do you have joy and peace in the Lord?

I don't have any patience for legalism, otherwise interpreted as "standards."  I have even less patience for ignorance.  Unfortunately ignorance and legalism have a tendency to co-exist in the same dark holes. However, it is never personal, it doesn't matter to me what anyone believes.  We will be very surprised when we get to heaven, not by those who are not there, but by those who are. 
Maybe you should get checked for that negative vibe thing, sounds like it may be serious. 
Not many people alive have as much joy as I have.  I have always been known to practice:
Jesus
Others
You.
JOY. 

Bless you my brother.

 

[cave_dweller]

Well, praise  God that we're not all average IFB persons, then, bruinboy.  What do you consider to be a Godly life?  I don't know you very well at all, but I perceive a consistently negative vibe from you.  Do you have joy and peace in the Lord?

I don't have any patience for legalism, otherwise interpreted as "standards."  I have even less patience for ignorance.  Unfortunately ignorance and legalism have a tendency to co-exist in the same dark holes. However, it is never personal, it doesn't matter to me what anyone believes.  We will be very surprised when we get to heaven, not by those who are not there, but by those who are. 
Maybe you should get checked for that negative vibe thing, sounds like it may be serious. 
Not many people alive have as much joy as I have.  I have always been known to practice:
Jesus
Others
You.
JOY. 

Bless you my brother.

There are many standards set for the Christian in the Bible. We are not free to sin, but free to serve the King!

 

[lnf]

Bruinboy, I am your sister in Christ.  I will not be surprised by who I see in Heaven.  I fully trust God to determine who He deems worthy to redeem.  I'll just be praising Him for every soul.  The negative vibe is not mine...it's a perception I get from tenor of your posts.  I asked you what I thought was an honest question.  I apologize, if I caused offense.   

 

[T-Bone]

Yup...I don't drink. I don't dance & I don't chew...and I don't run around with girls who do.

 

[Torrent v.3]

Well, praise  God that we're not all average IFB persons, then, bruinboy.  What do you consider to be a Godly life?  I don't know you very well at all, but I perceive a consistently negative vibe from you.  Do you have joy and peace in the Lord?

I don't have any patience for legalism, otherwise interpreted as "standards."  I have even less patience for ignorance.  Unfortunately ignorance and legalism have a tendency to co-exist in the same dark holes. However, it is never personal, it doesn't matter to me what anyone believes.  We will be very surprised when we get to heaven, not by those who are not there, but by those who are. 
Maybe you should get checked for that negative vibe thing, sounds like it may be serious. 
Not many people alive have as much joy as I have.  I have always been known to practice:
Jesus
Others
You.
JOY. 

Bless you my brother.

There are many standards set for the Christian in the Bible. We are not free to sin, but free to serve the King!

What is happening around here. Now we have Castor and Alayman talking in civil tones to each other.  I am thinking that it is getting to be Hades skating rink time.

 

[Just me]

Do you believe that standards are a list of rules in the bible or is it a personally decision based on how you think God warts you to live?

I would like to hear some thoughts and will give my thoughts later.

Please if we could stay on topic that would be great 

Ahh standards.  I have seen and watched and learned from a place that is the standards king of the midwest.  I was around long enough for that rule book to grow exponentually.  Usually with ridiculous things but none the less it was obey or be shunned until you leave.

I always wondered why the leadership and their families never had the rules enforced upon them like it was the sheeple of the church and college students.    hmmmmm

 

[JustABigKid]

OK so here are my thoughts.

I grew up in a church that was all about rules. We were given rule after rule to follow. Some were as silly as you can't have a facebook page if you are in high school. But there were many, many others. It was always follow the rules or else. No one ever really taught on why you should have standards in your life just list of standards that you better follow in and out of church.

More recently I have been at a church that has standards for working in the church. Example: If you are a lady and you sing in the choir you can't wear pants while in the choir. Or if you are a guy and you want to usher you have to be in a suit and tie.

About 2 or 3 months ago the pastor preached a 7 week series on Standards. At first I was a little nervous as to what would be said since I was used to getting weeks on end of rules when standards were preached. It was actually something different that surprised me. He preached for 7 weeks and standards and not once did he list rules that people should follow. He gave 7 weeks of why you should have standards, how to decide what standards you want in your life, and how to know if God is satisfied with those standards. A few times he mentioned things that he does or doesnt do but it wasnt in a way that he expected others to do.

To me it seems that standards should be a personally decision. While I believe that Bible does to teach and lay out principles for particular standards I don't think it is something that should be forced down a person throat. It is that philosophy that makes me understand better why we lose our teenagers once they graduate high school. Instead of teaching them throughout the years how to make decisions they are just given a bunch of rules to follow.

 

[pastorryanhayden]

I think the term "standards" has become the semantic casualty of stupidity and sloppy preaching. 
We have leadership guidelines in our church and I'm all for schools, families, and other institutions having rules, even paternalistic ones. 
But I take issue when those rules, which are often practical and subjective become a substitute for what scripture actually says. (I've been under preachers that could turn any text into a sermon on standards.)
I don't think anybody can read the NT objectively and say standards are an emphasis.  In my opinion, they are a reaction to the cultural upheaval of the last few decades.

 

[4everfsu]

Standards are man made, even man could not follow God's standards(10 commandments).

Thus the reason we needed a savior  and his comforter today.  I will follow them, not some preacher who says something that I cannot confirm by the word of God.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I was HACker born and HACker bred.  Hence, I know about standards.  I know that churches have started Christian schools and colleges.  In effort to keep order, rules are put in place for those institutions.  Over time, those rules have become the litmus test to determine if one is a good Christian or not.  The youth, even the best, live a life of rules without clear understanding for those rules.  They make decisions at "revival meetings" to obey the rules, thinking this is a godly life.  It is not.  It is a performance based Christianity which has the main intent of gaining approval of leadership and earning God's favor.

I once asked a Bible college student why she lives as she does.  Her response: "So that God will bless me!  I want God's blessing!"  Well, don't we all.  But that is performance based Christianity - earn God's favor and you will have prosperity which will give you joy.

I have quit trying to earn God's favor.  To attempt to earn God's favor is to deny His unmerited favor.  By accepting His unmerited favor I find the enabling power to overcome sin and live a life dedicated to His glory.

We should live as we do because God is God.  Standards (separation from the world system) should be lived because we love God and believe He desires us to not engage in a certain activity.  As I told another lady: If you only wear skirts because you are worried about what people in the church might think - wear pants.  If you only wear skirts because you believe it is an opportunity to bring glory to God through a daily public testimony - never wear pants.

We do have the instruction to be holy as God is holy.  We are instructed to be a peculiar people, wholly separated unto God.  However, this is a personal decision based upon our relationship with Christ - never because someone told us to.  A pastor or Christian mentor may help a younger Christian learn what the Bible states and answer questions as to why they have chosen to live in a certain manner.  However, demanding others maintain a lifestyle is performance based Christianity.

 

[raised2walk]

Bruinboy, I am your sister in Christ.  I will not be surprised by who I see in Heaven.  I fully trust God to determine who He deems worthy to redeem.  I'll just be praising Him for every soul.  The negative vibe is not mine...it's a perception I get from tenor of your posts.  I asked you what I thought was an honest question.  I apologize, if I caused offense. 

I think you're confusing frank talk with negativity. Bruinboy is a big teddy bear.