Shame On Warren, Hybels & Others

Don't have to read it...i already know I gotta problem with it! :-\
 
Looks like scripture twisting to me. Do they ever read what Jesus did with the Pharisees and Saducees? He basically called the Pharisees snakes and the Saducees ignoramuses. Why should the Muslims be treated differently?
 
Bro Blue said:
Don't have to read it...i already know I gotta problem with it! :-\

This is a sad statement.
 
I don't see a problem so far. None of the Christian leaders cited said Islam is just as true as Christianity or other such nonsense. They're just trying to find what common ground there actually is, and make peace with those Muslims who are willing.

(We all know there are some Muslims who have no interest in peace, only in winning, and they won't be signing this either.)
 
Izdaari said:
I don't see a problem so far. None of the Christian leaders cited said Islam is just as true as Christianity or other such nonsense. They're just trying to find what common ground there actually is, and make peace with those Muslims who are willing.

(We all know there are some Muslims who have no interest in peace, only in winning, and they won't be signing this either.)

"...for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?..." II Cor. 6:14-16

The whole thing is a sham.  It is impossible to love God outside of Jesus Christ.  Therefore, the 2nd commandment is equally moot.  It is Gospel denying and an affront to the Word of Truth that they are supposedly embracing. 
 
Anchor said:
Izdaari said:
I don't see a problem so far. None of the Christian leaders cited said Islam is just as true as Christianity or other such nonsense. They're just trying to find what common ground there actually is, and make peace with those Muslims who are willing.

(We all know there are some Muslims who have no interest in peace, only in winning, and they won't be signing this either.)

"...for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?..." II Cor. 6:14-16

The whole thing is a sham.  It is impossible to love God outside of Jesus Christ.  Therefore, the 2nd commandment is equally moot.  It is Gospel denying and an affront to the Word of Truth that they are supposedly embracing.

Exactly...and might I add...


1 Corinthians 10:19-20
19 What am I saying then? That an idol is anything, or what is offered to idols is anything? 20 Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
 
Anchor said:
Izdaari said:
I don't see a problem so far. None of the Christian leaders cited said Islam is just as true as Christianity or other such nonsense. They're just trying to find what common ground there actually is, and make peace with those Muslims who are willing.

(We all know there are some Muslims who have no interest in peace, only in winning, and they won't be signing this either.)

"...for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?..." II Cor. 6:14-16

The whole thing is a sham.  It is impossible to love God outside of Jesus Christ.  Therefore, the 2nd commandment is equally moot.  It is Gospel denying and an affront to the Word of Truth that they are supposedly embracing.

Muslims don't believe that Jesus even died on a cross (they think that is offensive so an imposter took his place, they say). They are no different from Peter when inspired by Satan to try and keep Jesus from going to the cross. It's obviously also a political ploy - you don't see them doing this with polytheists or atheists. Why is it we always hear about Warren speaking at Jewish or Muslim events? To me this is all about image.
 
Seems like strawman refutations to me. If anybody had claimed Islam was a true religion they would be apt. But since nobody has, they aren't. All the Christian leaders are trying to do is get along with these people, not validate their false beliefs.
 
I never read one word where Jesus tried to get along with false religion.  He was especially hard on false religion and had no problem saying there was only one way, you must be born again.  He chastised Nicodemus for being a teacher of Israel and not knowing the way of salvation.  He had scathing commentaries to the scribes and Pharisees and Saducees. It is amazing to me that ignorant Christians compromise the truth in order to be liked. Rick Warren said that the God of Christianity and the god of Islam were the same.  That is blasphemy.
 
jimmudcatgrant said:
I never read one word where Jesus tried to get along with false religion.  He was especially hard on false religion and had no problem saying there was only one way, you must be born again.  He chastised Nicodemus for being a teacher of Israel and not knowing the way of salvation.  He had scathing commentaries to the scribes and Pharisees and Saducees. It is amazing to me that ignorant Christians compromise the truth in order to be liked. Rick Warren said that the God of Christianity and the god of Islam were the same.  That is blasphemy.

It's amazing how often people make these statements and forget that the Jews were surrounded by pagans everywhere. How often did Jesus go after worshipers of Pan or Aphrodite? Zeus? Apollo? Maybe Isis?

Jesus (and Paul) weren't "especially hard" on pagan religions. They were "especially hard" on people who were supposed to be God's chosen people and who were defiling the religion He gave to them. To push it into today's world, Jesus and Paul would have been condemning those people in the church, not those who practiced other religions.

Jesus was non-commental towards other religions (other than His universal "I am" types of statements, which is equally damning to all false religions). Paul went so far as to say not to judge those outside the church, but only judge those inside the church. Paul also used the pagans' own religious beliefs and practices as a way of contextualizing the gospel so that his pagan audience would understand.

I went to temple with a Hindu friend of mine just the other day. Does that make me apostate? Not at all. What it does is makes me a credible witness for Christ who my friend will listen to because he knows I'm willing to be kind to him and respect his culture and beliefs. He's also learned more about the Christian faith from my wife and I than from anyone else because he is willing to ask us questions, something he isn't willing to do with anyone else.
 
rsc2a said:
jimmudcatgrant said:
I never read one word where Jesus tried to get along with false religion.  He was especially hard on false religion and had no problem saying there was only one way, you must be born again.  He chastised Nicodemus for being a teacher of Israel and not knowing the way of salvation.  He had scathing commentaries to the scribes and Pharisees and Saducees. It is amazing to me that ignorant Christians compromise the truth in order to be liked. Rick Warren said that the God of Christianity and the god of Islam were the same.  That is blasphemy.

It's amazing how often people make these statements and forget that the Jews were surrounded by pagans everywhere. How often did Jesus go after worshipers of Pan or Aphrodite? Zeus? Apollo? Maybe Isis?

Jesus (and Paul) weren't "especially hard" on pagan religions. They were "especially hard" on people who were supposed to be God's chosen people and who were defiling the religion He gave to them. To push it into today's world, Jesus and Paul would have been condemning those people in the church, not those who practiced other religions.

Jesus was non-commental towards other religions (other than His universal "I am" types of statements, which is equally damning to all false religions). Paul went so far as to say not to judge those outside the church, but only judge those inside the church. Paul also used the pagans' own religious beliefs and practices as a way of contextualizing the gospel so that his pagan audience would understand.

I went to temple with a Hindu friend of mine just the other day. Does that make me apostate? Not at all. What it does is makes me a credible witness for Christ who my friend will listen to because he knows I'm willing to be kind to him and respect his culture and beliefs. He's also learned more about the Christian faith from my wife and I than from anyone else because he is willing to ask us questions, something he isn't willing to do with anyone else.

Yet Jesus went after the false religion that was mimicking true religion and damning people to hell.  He didn't tell them they were all right, he didn't affirm them, he rebuked them mightily.  In that same spirit, I rebuke Rick Warren and his ilk for their compromising with another false religion, Islam, that is damning people to hell by mimicking Christianity.  The parallel is amazing, yet you act bring up pagan this and pagan that.  We aren't talking about pagans, we are talking about Islam, a religion that would kill you in a heartbeat if they ever got control, and they talk about a false Jesus.  They are anti-Christs, my friend.  Anti-semitic terrorists that have fooled a bunch of Americans into thinking they are a peace loving people. Read the lastest Imprimis by Hillsdale College called "Blasphemy and Free Speech" and tell me I am wrong.
 
jimmudcatgrant said:
I never read one word where Jesus tried to get along with false religion.  He was especially hard on false religion and had no problem saying there was only one way, you must be born again.  He chastised Nicodemus for being a teacher of Israel and not knowing the way of salvation.  He had scathing commentaries to the scribes and Pharisees and Saducees. It is amazing to me that ignorant Christians compromise the truth in order to be liked. Rick Warren said that the God of Christianity and the god of Islam were the same.  That is blasphemy.

He said that? The only thing Christianity and Islam has in common theologically is belief in one God - the devils also believe this and tremble. Funny that Muslims don't think we believe in the same God. They know our God is a trinity. One person is not the same as three persons. Besides that, the God they think they worship is the god of this world, Satan.
 
brianb said:
jimmudcatgrant said:
I never read one word where Jesus tried to get along with false religion.  He was especially hard on false religion and had no problem saying there was only one way, you must be born again.  He chastised Nicodemus for being a teacher of Israel and not knowing the way of salvation.  He had scathing commentaries to the scribes and Pharisees and Saducees. It is amazing to me that ignorant Christians compromise the truth in order to be liked. Rick Warren said that the God of Christianity and the god of Islam were the same.  That is blasphemy.

He said that? The only thing Christianity and Islam has in common theologically is belief in one God - the devils also believe this and tremble. Funny that Muslims don't think we believe in the same God. They know our God is a trinity. One person is not the same as three persons. Besides that, the God they think they worship is the god of this world, Satan.

Yep, he said it, and you are right, the Muslims don't believe in the Trinity, nor that Jesus is God.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=1545418
 
Not surprising the "get along at any cost" gang speaks to this...truth is not something to be compromised...you cannot sit down at the table of compromise with those who deny Christ, because they don't have nor know God.  John made it clear in his Epistle, those who deny Christ are antichrist, and since they reject the Son they cannot know the Father.
 
T-Bone said:
Not surprising the "get along at any cost" gang speaks to this...truth is not something to be compromised...you cannot sit down at the table of compromise with those who deny Christ, because they don't have nor know God.  John made it clear in his Epistle, those who deny Christ are antichrist, and since they reject the Son they cannot know the Father.

The get along gang saddens me as much as the isolationist IFB's.
Is there nothing left in Evangelicalism but one extreme or the other?!
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
T-Bone said:
Not surprising the "get along at any cost" gang speaks to this...truth is not something to be compromised...you cannot sit down at the table of compromise with those who deny Christ, because they don't have nor know God.  John made it clear in his Epistle, those who deny Christ are antichrist, and since they reject the Son they cannot know the Father.

The get along gang saddens me as much as the isolationist IFB's.
Is there nothing left in Evangelicalism but one extreme or the other?!

I wouldn't call seeking to get along with people when we can extreme. If I said Islam is just as valid as Christianity, that would be extreme. But no, I totally get that it's a false religion. Jesus tried to get along with the Romans as much as He could, even though they practiced pagan polytheism and His people chafed under their oppression. And He preached and prophesied against the Jews trying to take them on, warning of what would happen if they did. What He warned about happened in 70 A.D.

As for Evangelicalism? I am exiting stage left.
 
rsc2a said:
jimmudcatgrant said:
We aren't talking about pagans, we are talking about Islam...

:o

Don't be surprised. A pagan is someone who doesn't believe in an established religion. Islam is very established. That is the problem; Chritians accept it ss valid in liberal circles. The spirit of anti-christ is here in force.
 
jimmudcatgrant said:
rsc2a said:
jimmudcatgrant said:
We aren't talking about pagans, we are talking about Islam...

:o

Don't be surprised. A pagan is someone who doesn't believe in an established religion. Islam is very established. That is the problem; Chritians accept it ss valid in liberal circles. The spirit of anti-christ is here in force.

That's a very funny definition of pagan.
 
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