Salvation Does Not Require Turning From Sin

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Baptist Renegade said:
It can be said that if you are saved, you will repent and be baptized!
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Agreed, and that's my very point. Christ lifts us from the mire, we don't lift ourselves. It's God's grace that works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

We are saved by grace, not by repentance and baptism, though repentance and baptism, i.e. obedience, is the response we are commanded to give.
 
Ekklesian said:
Agreed, and that's my very point. Christ lifts us from the mire, we don't lift ourselves. It's God's grace that works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

We are saved by grace, not by repentance and baptism, though repentance and baptism, i.e. obedience, is the response we are commanded to give.
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Having read some of your posts, to me it seems that have created an odd amalgamation of Calvinism and Catholicism.
 
Ekklesian said:
Saying one cannot be saved without repentance is saying one cannot be saved without obedience, and baptism is part of obedience. In fact, it's the first part.
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No, it's not.
 
Ekklesian said:
Agreed, and that's my very point. Christ lifts us from the mire, we don't lift ourselves. It's God's grace that works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

We are saved by grace, not by repentance and baptism, though repentance and baptism, i.e. obedience, is the response we are commanded to give.
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Salvation without baptism is possible, salvation without repentance isn't.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Salvation without baptism is possible, salvation without repentance isn't.
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If repentance, as has been defined in this thread, is a turning away from a life of sin, that is, of disobedience, to a life of obedience, can you tell us which of Christ's commandments are the mandatory ones? In other words, which commandments MUST we obey to be saved, and which ones are 'optional'? (for lack of a better term)
 
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Ekklesian said:
If repentance, as has been defined in this thread, is a turning away from a life of sin, that is, of disobedience, to a life of obedience, can you tell us which of Christ's commandments are the mandatory ones? In other words, which commandments MUST we obey to be saved, and which ones are 'optional'? (for lack of a better term)
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Obedience to be saved? Huk is right about the way you express your Christianity. Sounds very Catholic.
 
If a man receives Christ on Monday, and expects to be baptized the following Sunday, at which point during that week is he no longer under condemnation for his sins? Where would he go if he died on, say, Thursday?
 
Ransom said:
If a man receives Christ on Monday, and expects to be baptized the following Sunday, at which point during that week is he no longer under condemnation for his sins? Where would he go if he died on, say, Thursday?
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Excellent question. I never thought of it that way before. I’m assuming a Catholic would say purgatory, but then they don’t really believe in the same concept of salvation to begin with.
 
Ransom said:
If a man receives Christ on Monday, and expects to be baptized the following Sunday, at which point during that week is he no longer under condemnation for his sins? Where would he go if he died on, say, Thursday?
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Depends, if he only does a few venial sins he’s good to go, but if he commits a mortal sin by Saturday night it’s southbound he goes!




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Dr. Huk-N-Duck said:
Do you agree that turning from sin is necessary for salvation?

I believe repentance (Luke 13:5) is a necessary prerequisite for salvation, but not turning away from sin. The Greek word used in Scripture is metanoia, which means change. If this is true, why do preachers talk about “turn or burn” when explaining the plan of salvation?
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Probably phony legalistic preachers.
 
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