Russell Anderson

[ALAYMAN]

You just might be correct but with the IFB being ripe with child abuse, one has to wonder how these children are being groomed and how many victims families kept such abuse hidden.

FYI, I apply this DNA not only to the IFB, but both Evangelicalism and Catholicism as well. It isn't just IFB but in the case of the video, it was dealing specifically with IFB.

IMHO, it is damage created by purity culture. Of course abuse happens outside PC but generally those environments are at least investigated (apart from when this happens within homes) and there is some semblance of legal accountability when it happens.

If it is scapegoating to point out predatory dangers within a group or groups, consider me guilty.

Sexual abuse is rampant across many demographics of our culture. My wife is a public school teacher that has shared many stories with me, and I know several guidance counselors who have testified of the widespread problem. I guarantee you at least, in my small part of the world, wrong views of sexuality run rampant in our society. I would pin that problem to a secularization (and a proliferation of pornography) that has removed the dignity of humanity and objectified human bodies, and that problem runs through both genders. I would also tie that as it relates to the church with a growing problem in dealing with sex education and properly understood roles for biblical sexuality. Is there grooming in and out of the church? Absolutely. Claiming that people like Russell Anderson are part of that problem, that’s a stretch and very myopic. That is the sense in which I believe you are subjectively and with bias, scapegoating.

 

[Baptist Renegade]

Purity culture is deeper than the concept of virginity. It is the lack of GENERAL teaching of "proper touch" vs. "improper touch" but rather "avoid all touch". (ALL touch was considered "improper".) It teaches it is the women's responsibility or to limit men's lust by their dress so when a girl is sexually assaulted, she can be accused of being a temptress and take on guilt that isn't hers..

Regarding the abusive nature of some in the IFB, I think we would both agree. Most of my IFB experience taught that a man was to show respect to women and to take responsibility for his own wicked depraved mind.

Purity Culture is the teaching that women are property and have little to no autonomy over their own bodies. This is found in the famous "umbrella of protection" as well as the concept a girl is her father's property until she gets married then becomes her husband's property. It is a teaching that forces a woman to submit to her husband's sexual desires every time because her body is not her own. When she does say "No" and he has the right to rape his her (his wife). It damages boys by teaching them the wife is made primarily to meet his sexual needs and in turn, he (as a man) cares for her, making in a sense "marriage prostitution". Purity culture does not emphasize mutual consent EVERY TIME and gives the assumption that every touch is meant between sexes is meant to be sexual to some degree.

I Cor 7:4 clearly teaches that each "belongs" to the other and each is to have "power" over the other. If these "KJV Bible Wavers" actually read their Bibles, they would see that such nonsense is very much unbiblical! Nowhere in scripture does it say a man has the right to "Rape" his wife when she refuses him! 1 Cor 7:3 shows that the husband and wife should have a mutual benevolence and respect for one another. The husband "Forcing himself" upon his wife clearly violates this.

I think this goes beyond "Purity Culture" though don't you think? From my understanding, you were to keep yourself "pure" for the one that you were to marry and the purity of the man was every bit as valuable as the purity of the woman. I would have to wholeheartedly agree that this is the ultimate situation for a husband and wife to find themselves and absolutely what I would teach to my own children. If a man treats his wife in such a manner as you have described, I think it would be appropriate to have a crew of burly deacons go and pay him a "visit" and teach him that it is not OK to mistreat his wife!

FYI, when my daughter got married, I told the pastor I would not "give her away" even though I walked her down the aisle. She is her own person making her own decisions and she was never mine to "give away" nor is her husband the owner of her body now even though she was celibate and is monogamous.

God gave her to you in order to steward over and raise in the Lord's nurture and admonition. He placed you in her care and for this, God will hold you accountable! In the same manner, God gives others sons to raise up in the nurture, admonition and fear of the Lord. No, they are not your "property" but you ought to love them more than life itself and you would want to know that you are placing her in good hands with someone she feels "safe" with. The two are "one flesh" and each should love and care for each other accordingly.

My daughter is a grown single lady in her late 20s. She is not under the "umbrella of my protection" although I often wish I were there to protect her more. I have to trust God to keep her under the umbrella of HIS protection as he does with all who are his own.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

That picture of her in the mink next to Anderson screams "icky" at best.
Was anything sinful going on? No.
Was everything appropriate? No.

 

[Ekklesian]

That picture of her in the mink next to Anderson screams "icky" at best.
Was anything sinful going on? No.
Was everything appropriate? No.

Photos don't tell the whole story. You're imagining the context.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

Photos don't tell the whole story. You're imagining the context.

I could be then but only because the photo matches her account. Could she be going back to recreate the scenario?
Question asked for discussion purposes- not to accuse or deny.

 

[sword]

I could be then but only because the photo matches her account. Could she be going back to recreate the scenario?
Question asked for discussion purposes- not to accuse or deny.

Give me a stack a family photos and I can make up stories to match each and every one with none of the stories being true.

It's been many years and she only feels the need to tell the story when those who could refute it are no longer with us.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

If your frustration with a person causes you to walk away from "the faith," you were worshipping the wrong god anyway.

Sexual abuse is a problem within society as a whole and it sometimes shows up in a church setting. This does not mean church is evil. This means that sometimes sin shows up in a church.