Restored Fallen Pastors

abcaines said:
Those are the actions of an unrepentant heart.
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Absolutely. I am the title of this thread. I was a pastor. I fell. God restored me, after years of pew sitting, to ministry, but no pastoral ministry. A truly repentant man takes his lumps, is willing to live with whatever loss comes, and sits quietly until God's people, fully aware of his sin and current state, ask him to serve in any capacity whatsoever.
 
Bob Jones VI said:
Absolutely. I am the title of this thread. I was a pastor. I fell. God restored me, after years of pew sitting, to ministry, but no pastoral ministry. A truly repentant man takes his lumps, is willing to live with whatever loss comes, and sits quietly until God's people, fully aware of his sin and current state, ask him to serve in any capacity whatsoever.
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You say you sexually assaulted a woman?
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I’m pretty sure he’s indicating an affair. Where in the world did you get sexual assault from his post?
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That's the accusation against Hunt, and that's what Hunt is fighting...what he says is the false accusation. VI seemed to be saying Hunt should respond the way he responded.
 
The accusation, that Hunt made an inappropriate sexual advance against the wife of a pastor friend, was found by investigators from Guideposts Solutions, and by the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, to be credible (see post 106, page 6 in this thread). However, Hunt is insisting that the encounter was "consensual."

In other words, Hunt is accusing this woman of attempted adultery. If he is lying about this, as he lied about other events in this encounter, then he has falsely accused and slandered the victim, thus victimizing her twice. I wonder how this is any different from what Mrs. Potiphar did to Joseph.
 
The words used in the reporting are "assault," "abuse," and "molestation," not "advance." And I read the report. There was no indication of any kind of force on his part, nor protest on hers.

Hunt may be a dirty, rotten scoundrel, but that doesn't give a green light to bear false witness.
 
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Ekklesian said:
You say you sexually assaulted a woman?
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Where did I say that. Read, idiot. I said the TITLE OF THIS THREAD, which is "Fallen pastors." Read before you post. I am a "Fallen pastor." I have never "assualted" a woman in my life. I have never struck or otherwise violently touched a woman. I had a moral failure that caused me to resign as pastor almost 20 years ago.
 
Bob Jones VI said:
Where did I say that. Read, idiot. I said the TITLE OF THIS THREAD, which is "Fallen pastors." Read before you post. I am a "Fallen pastor." I have never "assualted" a woman in my life. I have never struck or otherwise violently touched a woman. I had a moral failure that caused me to resign as pastor almost 20 years ago.
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You have character and truth that many do not have. I have great respect for you. Thank you for sharing.
 
Bob Jones VI said:
Where did I say that. Read, idiot. I said the TITLE OF THIS THREAD, which is "Fallen pastors." Read before you post. I am a "Fallen pastor." I have never "assualted" a woman in my life. I have never struck or otherwise violently touched a woman. I had a moral failure that caused me to resign as pastor almost 20 years ago.
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*sigh*

That's my point. But let's say the woman in your case, to mitigate her part in the sin, accused you of eventually overcoming her will with your advances, and 'paralyzing her with shock' so she couldn't protest or resist in any way, essentially forcing yourself upon her...

...and then some politically motivated, prejudiced investigative company published a report declaring the accusation 'credible,' calling you a rapist.

What should be one's response to that?

Your statement was in response to a comment on Hunt, and you were contrasting your responses. I was just saying you aren't facing the same accusations. Context, brother. It doesn't look like I'm the one needing reading lessons.
 
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Ekk - having a consensual affair isn’t sexual assault. Are you being serious or just trying to act like a Richard with this guy. C’mon bro, this is taking things too far.
 
Ekklesian said:
That's my point. But let's say the woman in your case, to mitigate her part in the sin, accused you of eventually overcoming her will with your advances, and 'paralyzing her with shock' so she couldn't protest or resist in any way, essentially forcing yourself upon her...
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While we're at it, let's say that afterward, she said "Be seeing you," gave that little salute from The Prisoner, then turned into an incorporeal ball of energy and phased through the ceiling, never to be seen again and leaving no physical trace.

I mean, if you're going to invent a fairy tale about BJIV to get mad about, at least make it an appropriately magical one.
 
These are the type of actions that continue to give the lost cause for hating and questioning Christianity. It's also problematic for many Christians that have experienced abuse of any kind from leadership in the churches. Personally for me it revives issues from the past and the mental, physical, and spiritual abuse I experienced as a youth, and the physical attacks my wife and I both experienced by and from a narcissistic, dictatorial pastor, his equally narcissistic pastor father and brother, and their cronies.
 
Ransom said:
While we're at it, let's say that afterward, she said "Be seeing you," gave that little salute from The Prisoner, then turned into an incorporeal ball of energy and phased through the ceiling, never to be seen again and leaving no physical trace.

I mean, if you're going to invent a fairy tale about BJIV to get mad about, at least make it an appropriately magical one.
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Those elements certainly would have been included if they were in the Guidepost report.

I didn't invent anything. I only repeated what Silly Woman, aka, 'Survivor' is reported to have said. Sounds you think it somewhat as fanciful as I do. ;)

Okay, class, get out your primers.

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caines said Hunt's suing of Guidepost Solutions and the SBC for defamation, and the seeking of damages, is the sign of an unrepentant heart.

In a defamation law suit, damages have to be assessed, and lost wages is how it's done. It's non-optional. It's part of the suit. It wouldn't be any different if Hunt were an angel and just wanted the truth to come out, damages still have to be assessed.

Now, Hunt may be unrepentant, but this lawsuit is not the sign of that. This lawsuit is more a sign that the encounter was indeed consensual, and not a case of abuse, assault, or molestation as stated in the accusations.

Now VI agreed with caines, saying Hunt should take his lumps like he did, comparing the apples of his own situation, to the oranges of Hunt's.

So I rhetorically asked:

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Not willing to take lumps inflicted unjustly, look at the passion in his protest:
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Well, if you step back and look objectively at the situation, Hunt did admit to a consensual encounter, but just as vociferously denies that he assaulted anyone.
Does repentance demand more of Hunt, that it does of you? I'm certain 'Survivor' was counting on it. But alas:

thebaptistpaper.org

Set of Guidepost records unsealed by court in Hunt case - The Baptist Paper

United States Magistrate Judge Jeffery S. Frensley ruled in November that Guidepost Solutions must produce records of its interviews with former SBC president
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Nowhere did I accuse @Bob Jones VI of assault, but I apologize that I wasn't more clear...I'm not sure how I could have been more clear, but I'll certainly endeavor to be as clear as I can in the future. And just to be clear, neither do I sit in judgment of you, but maybe be more selective about the cases in which you virtue signal ;)

Bob Jones VI said:
Read, idiot.
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I do.

 
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Ekk - You didn’t technically “accuse” him of sexual assault, but you asked him a question that wasn’t even remotely close to what he said.

What you said is this: “You say you sexually assaulted a woman?” The implication being that he stated an admission of the crime of sexual battery.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
Ekk - You didn’t technically “accuse” him of sexual assault, but you asked him a question that wasn’t even remotely close to what he said.

What you said is this: “You say you sexually assaulted a woman?” The implication being that he stated an admission of the crime of sexual battery.
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No, that is not the implication.

One more time. The question was rhetorical, the understood answer being no, the purpose being to point out that setting his virtue up against Hunt was misplaced, because VI wasn't being accused of the same things that Hunt was.

I think it was pretty clear to begin with, but y'all blinded by your vendettas.
 
Ekklesian said:
I think it was pretty clear to begin with, but y'all blinded by your vendettas.
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Let’s get something clear. I have no vendetta. I don’t know your name, face, location, job, family, or really anything else. For all I know, you could be a pimple faced teenager posing as a middle aged man, or just a sock puppet.
 
Sherryh said:
You have character and truth that many do not have. I have great respect for you. Thank you for sharing.
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Thanks Sherry. I have never lied about my failures. But I have also maintained that God has been good to me and given me grace to walk in truth for many years. And my sin was not assualt. Nothing near that. It was consensual sin.
 
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